Simple questions. Simple answers. Complex questions. Flow charts.

[caladein]

Also, the people in my guild who are stupidest about standing in stupid shit they shouldn't stand in and all that other bullshit are the ones with a billion add ons. When you have enough add ons basically thinking for you, it ... makes you think a lot less in my experience. We have people who have REPAIR add ons, because clicking the repair icon is apparently such a hardship. They're usually the geniuses who magically have shit break in the middle of dungeons. And so on.

If something is trivial enough that a few lines of LUA could do it, I don't know how my spending any time on it constitutes thinking.  I do have a mod that automatically hits "Guild Repair" and sells my grey items.  I have another that refills my Candles.  I'm still the one that remembers to run to the Priest Armor vendor in ICC to repair though, or whip out my Gruntling to buy more reagents.

In combat, BigWigs timers do allow me to pull off "Stupid Discipline Priest Tricks" like having everyone shielded going into Bone Storm on Marrowgar-10.  Nothing in combat helps me decide when to blow cooldowns or transition between raid shielding and full HPS on a tank.  And honestly, if BigWigs is bitching at me about standing in fire, I either meant to do it or I've already screwed up.

[Fordel]

I use Squawk and Awe!

God damn hidden Eclipse Cooldown! 

[WindupAtheist]

yarr

Why you gotta hate, dog? It ain't like I turned this thread into a lore debate!

[Sjofn]

Also, the people in my guild who are stupidest about standing in stupid shit they shouldn't stand in and all that other bullshit are the ones with a billion add ons. When you have enough add ons basically thinking for you, it ... makes you think a lot less in my experience. We have people who have REPAIR add ons, because clicking the repair icon is apparently such a hardship. They're usually the geniuses who magically have shit break in the middle of dungeons. And so on.

If something is trivial enough that a few lines of LUA could do it, I don't know how my spending any time on it constitutes thinking.  I do have a mod that automatically hits "Guild Repair" and sells my grey items.  I have another that refills my Candles.  I'm still the one that remembers to run to the Priest Armor vendor in ICC to repair though, or whip out my Gruntling to buy more reagents.

You are a lot more likely to derherp forget to repair when you never have to think to yourself, "o rite I need to repair" while you're selling shit. Yeah, that's not deep thought, but you still have little thoughts drifting around about stuff you should be paying attention to.

Also, I've already said I use Bigwigs, mostly because I got tired of Ingmar whining that I am doing it the hard way waaaah. I don't need it, not the way people think I do. I like it, it makes my life easier when I am learning a new encounter, but it does, in fact, make me lazier and it sure as hell doesn't make the dumber-about-fire people suck less. Or God help me, it does, but I would REALLY hate to think about my life as a raid leader that way.

I view most add ons like voice chat, really. It's handy dandy and can make life easier in a lot of ways, but when people get all OH MY GOD I CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT IT, I think they need to take a deep breath and realise that no, actually, you CAN do stuff without it. Sometimes quite easily! (Pre-emptive strike: Yes we use voice chat for raids, although for most raids we do, I would feel pretty safe going without. But some guildies insist they need it for five mans, which makes me go , hence the comparison for me.)

[K9]

Addons really don't break that often. I did an addon update the other day and I had some that I hadn't updated in two patch cycles and I hadn't even noticed. That said, I have cut the addons I use down a lot:

Bartender
Pitbull
Grid
Recount
DBM
Rankwatch

That's about it really, I'm not some addon junkie, but the first fve of those transform a clunky and unattractive UI into something far more workable.

[Sheepherder]

I've never understood the opalescent frames.

[Musashi]

If something works for somebody else, I think it's hard to criticize the results.  So you have to be careful about taking ui judgments too far.  I know there are a lot of guilds that require you to submit screenshots of your ui in their application process, but I'll wager the good ones just want to ask you why you do or don't use a specific mod (along with providing proof you've bound all your keys). 

But it's also hard to argue that certain mods don't do things better than the default ui.  Grid is a better raid frame.  DBM is a better warning system than fancy particle effects.  Omen is more informative than the threat bar.  There is no default replacement for Recount.  Bartender is easier to configure keybinds, able to be scaled, and moveable.  Pitbull allows for more customizeable, scaling, moveable unit frames.  There are bunch of class mods that help each class in specific ways that the default UI cannot.  Consult your EJ class forum.

With all that said, if you can manage to stay out of the fire with the default ui, then more power to you.

[Ingmar]

People who think WoW has a clunky default UI need to refresh their memories and play ANY OTHER MMO ON THE MARKET for a little.

[Musashi]

Didn't say it was clunky.  Just that there are things that mods do better.

[Rasix]

People who think WoW has a clunky default UI need to refresh their memories and play ANY OTHER MMO ON THE MARKET for a little.

They're all bad.  I don't remember a good MMO UI.  At least with WoW, there's the community to make up for the shortcomings. Just about every base MMO UI looks like it was shipped without any sort of usability evaluation or the programmers shot back every request with "that's hard, I got more important stuff to finish".

Although..  UO had movable unit frames (and a very serviceable UI for the time). 

[Rendakor]

Everything about EQ2's UI is moveable and resizable. EQ2 also allows any combination of windows to be open at once, unlike WoW where you can't have (for example) the AH and a profession window open simultaneously.

[Merusk]

Funny, I have my prof windows and  Auction windows open at the same time quite often.   Quest log is one you can't do it with, though.

[Rendakor]

Really? Is there some addon you're using to do so? I can't remember if you can with Auctioneer; stopped using it because repeated use of Quick Auctions bogged the database down really fast to the point where I'd get a one minute lockup the first time I touched the AH on login.

[Musashi]

Think it's a matter of having enough screen resolution for the AH window to not push stuff off the right side of the screen.  I can have the AH and like two windows up on my widescreen.  I have a mod habit though, and yes Auctioneer is one of them.  So it may be one of them doing it and I'm unaware.

[caladein]

It might just be Auctioneer because I have AuctionLite, and while the Auction window only takes up ~60% of my horizontal screen @ 1680x1050 I can't have any other window open.

[Draegan]

So I had a poopsock day yesterday and powered up my JC by hand (I'm broke) and prospected all my own ores.  I'm sitting at 402 right now and I'm finally at the point where I can do my daily JC quest.  Few questiosn:

I need tokens it looks like, and there is only one daily available for the tokens correct?

I also see you can buy tokens with Titanium powder.  What is the best location to farm this?

Are there any other daily things I should be doing?  I don't recall much else.  I already have my +36 strength design for my DK, I just need dragon's eyes. 

Also Icy Prisms.  I guess it's profitable to do that once a day right?

[Rendakor]

You can't farm titanium powder, you get it as a byproduct of prospecting titanium ore; I farm my titanium in Wintergrasp, but I'm not sure that's the best place for it. You can also obtain tokens with the Damaged Necklace quest starter thing.

[caladein]

Also Icy Prisms.  I guess it's profitable to do that once a day right?

I probably would, especially if you're getting a lot of Frozen Orbs from running Heroics.

[Draegan]

You can't farm titanium powder, you get it as a byproduct of prospecting titanium ore; I farm my titanium in Wintergrasp, but I'm not sure that's the best place for it. You can also obtain tokens with the Damaged Necklace quest starter thing.

Well yes, I knew it comes from Titanium Ore, I was looking for a good place to farm it.

Also Icy Prisms.  I guess it's profitable to do that once a day right?

I probably would, especially if you're getting a lot of Frozen Orbs from running Heroics.

Unfortunately I think I just sold a bunch on the AH without knowing.  Ah well.

[Nebu]

Well yes, I knew it comes from Titanium Ore, I was looking for a good place to farm it.

Can someone explain to me why I keep seeing people pop out of the ground next to titanium nodes in Shalozar?  Is there a z-axis exploit that Blizzard hasn't fixed? 

[Rendakor]

Sorry, wasn't sure since you just said titanium powder.

Frozen Orbs still sell well on some servers? They AH for their vendor price on Andorhal.

[Rasix]

Well yes, I knew it comes from Titanium Ore, I was looking for a good place to farm it.

Can someone explain to me why I keep seeing people pop out of the ground next to titanium nodes in Shalozar?  Is there a z-axis exploit that Blizzard hasn't fixed? 

Farmers using hacks. Look on your combat log for who "performs mining" on the node and report them.  It's usually pretty quiet for a while once you feed Blizzard enough names.

[Rendakor]

Anyone here PVP as a mage? Mine just hit 80 a bit ago and I'd like to give Arenas a try this coming season with him. Spec suggestions, glyphs, etc. would all be helpful.

[Musashi]

Pretty much everyone who plays wow fails econ.  So you probably want to check how much Titanium is going for on your server before you prospect it.  Don't think it's worth as much when it's broken down as it is to everyone who is paying a premium for the ore itself for misc stuff.  I'd sell the ore and buy damaged necklaces to get you started on your important gem cuts.  You used to be able to make a shitton of money prospecting saronite.  But for whatever reason the price of epic gems didn't stay as high as the ore it came from.  Probably because you can buy them with honor.

Yes there is only one Jewelcrafting daily.  Get it from the dude in Dalaran. 

Don't buy the blue recipes, they drop like candy from heroics.  Maybe buy Bold/Delicate/spell power(?) scarlet ruby. 

Don't waste JC tokens on Dragon's Eyes - they're tradeable until you cut them.  Buy them off the AH from noobs who wasted their tokens on Dragon's Eyes.

[Merusk]

But for whatever reason the price of epic gems didn't stay as high as the ore it came from.  Probably because you can buy them with honor.

Epic gems are ridiculously cheap from vendors. They cost 20 badges for pure colors, 10 for multi-colors (They're on the heroic vendor, so most people seem to forget them) and only 10k honor.  Alchemists can also transmute them from the useless gems you prospect off of the very plentiful cobalt and saronite ores.  You can get an epic gem an hour even if you're a terrible player and undergeared.  Thus, they're super cheap.

[Draegan]

Pretty much everyone who plays wow fails econ.  So you probably want to check how much Titanium is going for on your server before you prospect it.  Don't think it's worth as much when it's broken down as it is to everyone who is paying a premium for the ore itself for misc stuff.  I'd sell the ore and buy damaged necklaces to get you started on your important gem cuts.  You used to be able to make a shitton of money prospecting saronite.  But for whatever reason the price of epic gems didn't stay as high as the ore it came from.  Probably because you can buy them with honor.

Yes there is only one Jewelcrafting daily.  Get it from the dude in Dalaran. 

Don't buy the blue recipes, they drop like candy from heroics.  Maybe buy Bold/Delicate/spell power(?) scarlet ruby. 

Don't waste JC tokens on Dragon's Eyes - they're tradeable until you cut them.  Buy them off the AH from noobs who wasted their tokens on Dragon's Eyes.

I had forgot to look on the AH.  I bought a Dragon Eye with a token last night.  Sweet.

I've been doing the daily fine and I've gotten a shit load of designs from heroics already.  Buying the necklaces after selling ore is a good plan.  I'll have to look at the market.  I havn't started farming ore yet.

--

New question.  I've switched from UH to Blood DPS for my DK.  I have 4pc T9.  But my rings/trinkets are poor a long with a few other slots that are mediocre.  Now I just need a few more badges and a lot of dragon eye gems.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mal%27Ganis&cn=Rhavinous

Order of improvement:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47734
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47729

Then I'll have to keep saving for the cloak from frost badges.  Once I get the better hit rating trinket above I can wear this (which I already have):

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50272

Then I have to hope for a better necklace drop and maybe the War Banner from TOC.  There are boots that are an upgrade somewhere also, but not that much.  There is also a ring in HoR with +Str that is an upgrade.

Then I think I'll be as geared as I'd ever be before I try getting into PUG raids.  I need a 4500 GS to even attempt that on Mal'Ganis.

Anything I'm missing here other than a few odds and ends?  I'm pretty poor right now so I can't buy BOE's and craftables.

[Arinon]

There is a 232 2H axe from the end boss in Heroic PoS.  When I was hunting for that I would run PoS before my randoms.  Sometimes you luck into 2 or 3 shots at the zone in a day.

You can trade Stonekeeper shards for honour and get gems that way as well.  Horde on Skullcrusher pretty much owns Wintergrasp so I had close to 1000 before I noticed anything good to do with them.

[Rasix]

Are they any decent available offhands you can get for a sword or mace spec rogue outside of HHOR?  I'm afraid that if I want to stay combat, I'm going to need to go CQC and hope for that main hand fist weapon (random dungeon drop ftl) to drop so I can pair it with one of the easily gotten daggers.  Right now I'm unfortunately slow/slow on weapons because I didn't see that the ilvl 219 sword I got was slow before trashing my ilvl 200 offhander.   Would going axe/dagger be more dps than a slow axe/sword when hack'n'slash is taken into consideration?

I just don't really want to go mut, but may have to considering the weapon situation I'll likely find myself in.  Keeping up that dumb HfB bluff would make me stabby (more so).

[Sheepherder]

I just don't really want to go mut, but may have to considering the weapon situation I'll likely find myself in.  Keeping up that dumb HfB bluff would make me stabby (more so).

Other player's bleeds allow you to activate the buff, rupture isn't even in the optimal rotation, just Mutilate and Envenom after your initial S&D.

[Merusk]

Doesn't that assume you're always going to have a feral dps or dps war in the raid?  Something my guild lacks on a regular basis.  The Feral is often tanking and the war has problems getting online more than 3 days.

[Rendakor]

I just don't really want to go mut, but may have to considering the weapon situation I'll likely find myself in.  Keeping up that dumb HfB bluff would make me stabby (more so).

Other player's bleeds allow you to activate the buff, rupture isn't even in the optimal rotation, just Mutilate and Envenom after your initial S&D.

I would like to again point out that this is in theory only; I've yet to see a rogue who isn't Rupturing do more dps than one who is.

[Sheepherder]

Doesn't that assume you're always going to have a feral dps or dps war in the raid?  Something my guild lacks on a regular basis.  The Feral is often tanking and the war has problems getting online more than 3 days.

Rogue:
Rupture  (Drops from rotation in better gear)
Garrote (Drops from rotation in better gear)

Druid:

Rip (Cat)
Rake (Cat)
Pounce (Cat)
Lacerate (Bear)

Warrior:

Rend (Arms)
Deep Wounds (Prot/Arms/Fury)

Hunter:

Piercing Shots (Marksman)
Rake - Cat pet
Savage Rend - Raptor pet

[Nevermore]

Doesn't that assume you're always going to have a feral dps or dps war in the raid?  Something my guild lacks on a regular basis.  The Feral is often tanking and the war has problems getting online more than 3 days.

Sheepherder already noted it but to reiterate, if you have a bear tank they should be using Lacerate, which is a bleed.

[Ingmar]

Properly specced protection warriors usually have deep wounds too which puts up a bleed every time they crit.

[Rasix]

Thanks for the input.  I rarely raid, and mostly it's just the one off bosses in pugs.

My friend is a pretty decent feral, however.