Simple questions. Simple answers. Complex questions. Flow charts.

[Fordel]

Which specific attacks, you may be able to cheese it with a cast sequence.


Otherwise, no, you won't be able to do it with any legit means.

[WindupAtheist]

No, it gets hung up on the 10 second Divine Storm cooldown. So are they going to ban me for using any generic typists macro program? Ooh from what I read, apparently yes. Fucking assholes.

[Fordel]

A few patches ago, you could've used a /castrandom macro, but they intentionally broke those.


I have a macro I use that puts Crusader Strike and Shield of the Righteous onto the same button for the 1% chance I might need to use a 1h/shield while in Ret mode.

[WindupAtheist]

All I really want is to use AutoHotKey or some program like that to make it so that pushing say f1 equates to me pushing 123 in a row really fast. Facerolling them, if you will.

[Jayce]

Good tanking is a mindset, aptitude for the game, and confidence.

All true, to which I'd add situational awareness.  Not only do you not have to stand in the goo, you have to also be watching to make sure a loose add isn't eating the healer, and possibly positioning the boss and/or reacting to its special attacks.  You can't be a good tank and have tunnel vision. 

[Fordel]

All I really want is to use AutoHotKey or some program like that to make it so that pushing say f1 equates to me pushing 123 in a row really fast. Facerolling them, if you will.

You'll still be limited by the GCD even with a outside macro program.

[WindupAtheist]

Of course. Here's the difference:

I put say Divine Storm, Judgement, and Crusader Strike all in a /castsequence on one key. The first three presses it works fine. On the fourth, it comes back to Divine Storm which still has several seconds of cooldown left and just sits there. It won't skip to Judgement, it'll just keep going "durr cooldown" until Divine Storm is ready again.

Meanwhile if I put those three spells on the 1, 2, and 3 keys, and use an external program to make pressing X equal to pressing 123 at the same time, hitting X will cast the first thing that isn't on cooldown, global or otherwise, while giving me error messages for the other two. Literally the same as taking your thumb and mashing all 3 keys at once.

[Fordel]

Yea, nothing legitimate will allow that in game. Blizzard is very keen on stamping out macros and mods that make 'decisions' for players.

[WindupAtheist]

Yeah, doesn't matter anyway. Turns out the rotation of those three repeats well with the character limit to fit them all into a /castsequence. I just want to free up some fucking buttons.

[Fordel]

You only have like 5 to begin with! Sheesh 

[WindupAtheist]

Now I only have three! Mahahaha! Pwn, Stun, Bubblehearth!

[JWIV]

Might be able to do it with the logitech (or equiv) G15 (11/whatever) keyboards.  Their macro keys allow you to specify a delay before proceeding to the next step.

[apocrypha]

Might be able to do it with the logitech (or equiv) G15 (11/whatever) keyboards.  Their macro keys allow you to specify a delay before proceeding to the next step.

That's been ruled unacceptable by Blizz too. There were lots of threads about the G15 a few years ago and they basically said that they had no problem with the keyboard as long as you didn't use the macro functions to do anything that couldn't be done with a single keypress on a normal keyboard.

[Sheepherder]

I just want to free up some fucking buttons.

Get a 5+ button mouse, bind two of those buttons to alt and ctrl using an external program.  Make a bunch of macros with:

Code:

/cast [mod: alt] face; [mod: ctrl] rape; biatch

[Evildrider]

Anyone here run an Unholy DK tank?  Or is that just not a viable pick?  I assume I'll be told to Frost tank.  lol.

[Zetor]

My DK has an unholy tank offspec that I use in heroics. Compared to my bear (and even my warrior), it's pretty bad... most aggro comes from DOTs and single-target double disease abilities; glyphed + specced DND is actually pretty nice, but it eats runes and can't be kept down constantly. I'm going to change to frost probably (even though my feral druid is in bear form 99% of the time as it is, tank > dps for random heroic queues). Blood is also a decent tank, but that's mostly a raid thing.

Anyway, if you really want to stick with unholy, your tank rotation is similar to your DPS rotation, except blood strike usually only gets used once per fight to get desolation up. IT-PS-pestilence on multiple targets with a DND ready, SS the focus target, pray. If you have experience with unholy DPS and/or a blood tap / bone shield macro, it works fine for tanking too.

edit: screw AMZ, seriously. If it cost RP instead of a rune, MAYBE it'd be worth using... I still have it because it's an obligatory tank cooldown. Same with corpse explosion, even glyphed it's not as good threat as a single deathcoil except for massive aoe situations where everyone dies at the same time anyway..

[Rendakor]

Anyone here run an Unholy DK tank?  Or is that just not a viable pick?  I assume I'll be told to Frost tank.  lol.

As I've said elsewhere, Blood really is the superior tank spec at the moment.

[Merusk]

I can't recommend glyph of disease enough for DK tanks.  Particularly if you're trying unholy tanking.  One rune to refresh diseases on all targets? Yes, plz.  It also frees up enough runes to drop D&D as soon as the CD is up, provided you've got all 3 points in Morbidity.

'Course, I haven't tanked as Unholy since they nerfed bone shield into the ground.

I <3 blood tanking.  Still can't stand the frost tree.  I don't think I've specced into it for more than 8 hours since I made my DK.

[proudft]

I've been unholy tanking some instances lately.  My gear is up to 2 pieces of the triumph set + fancy helmet + Marrowstrike + some stray decent stuff.  It's hard to compare to my warrior because the warrior's gear is much better right now, but it's manageable.  

Bone shield suuuuuucks, though, especially if you're used to paladin holy shield or warrior shield block. I have a TellMeWhen icon showing when it is not up so time to push buttan, and it is NEVER up and always on cooldown.  One minute is a looong time.

Hard to tell about threat with the different gear levels I'm experiencing.  Best I can say now is it's "different".  Single-target threat has not been an issue at all, though.  And anti-magic shell is fun to play with.  And everybody loves ebon plague.  For heroics at least, it seems to work ok.

[Arrrgh]

Glyphed howling blast is ranged, AE snap agro. It's up there with sliced bread in AE agro happy body pulling heroic PUGs.

Blood is better for boss tanking.

[Rendakor]

I <3 blood tanking.  Still can't stand the frost tree.  I don't think I've specced into it for more than 8 hours since I made my DK.

That's how I feel about Unholy tbh. I leveled as Blood, then specced Frost to tank in the 3.0 era. When they did the first big round of nerfs (moving HB to 51p) I went Blood and never looked back. I've never really played as a dps (dual specced for tank/pvp) because I played at the start of LK when getting into a group as a DK dps was unpossible.

[Ingmar]

I can't recommend glyph of disease enough for DK tanks.  Particularly if you're trying unholy tanking.  One rune to refresh diseases on all targets? Yes, plz.  It also frees up enough runes to drop D&D as soon as the CD is up, provided you've got all 3 points in Morbidity.

'Course, I haven't tanked as Unholy since they nerfed bone shield into the ground.

I <3 blood tanking.  Still can't stand the frost tree.  I don't think I've specced into it for more than 8 hours since I made my DK.

Caveat: do NOT use glyph of disease if you are specced for the improved icy talons thing, it will break your ability to refresh it I believe.

[WindupAtheist]

Reason #5024 that vehicles are a bullshit idea nobody will miss when they're left out of Cataclysm: Wanna move all your keybinds to the two top bars and leave the one bottom original bar for shit you're content to click? Fuck you! Bind the first five buttons of the bottom bar or be left trying to steer vehicles with the mouse and click at the same time!

[Ingmar]

I don't think I'm parsing that right. What do the first 5 buttons have to do with vehicle controls?

[WindupAtheist]

Those first five buttons pass their bindings along to the vehicle buttons. Unbind them and none of the vehicle buttons will have bindings. So you will bind those bottom buttons and bind them to something convenient, or fuck you when it comes to whatever random faggot daily gimmick they make you do.

[K9]

Why would you completely unbind your first five actionbar buttons?

[Gobbeldygook]

Better question: You're still using the default blizzard bars?

Since my 2 key was my heroic strike key for ~2 years, I rebound that exact location to mouse wheel down so I can heroicstrikeheroicstrikeheroicstrikeheroicstrike.  It was disorienting the first time I realized I have to use mousewheel down to press the '2' ability on a vehicle, but I got used to it.  I think next time I log in I'll put heroic strike & cleave on one of my hidden bars so I can reclaim the 2 key for vehicles (2 became Shield Slam, I put it on my cooldown bar so I could watch it closely)

[caladein]

It has nothing to with vehicles.  Bar 1 in the default UI is the possession bar.  The vehicle UI just puts a different skin on that bar, so you can't bind it and Bar 1 independently.  Same thing happens when a Priest uses Mind Control except without the skin.

I know I can change what bar gets possessed in Bartender4, so I imagine there's a way change that without wrecking too much havoc on your UI.

[WindupAtheist]

Why would you completely unbind your first five actionbar buttons?

Why wouldn't I? I'd rather just run all my keybinds along the top one. Just because. I wasn't aware the default bar was special and that "push 3 to drop gnomish ticklebombs" won't work without it.

Better question: You're still using the default blizzard bars?

Why wouldn't I? I know using an addon to shove all your buttons up into the middle of the screen or whatever makes you super pro and all, but since any real USEFUL function (best damage spell not on cooldown with one key, etc) is deliberately broken, who really cares?

[Sjofn]

Default UI users representin'!

Really it's a minor miracle I have any addons at all, but I was tired of asking other people to split the DPSers because I didn't have recount, and I decided I like Bigwigs while I'm learning how to tank a new encounter (I did all of Naxx and most of Ulduar without it though  ). I should probably also install Omen, but whatevs.

[Selby]

Default UI users representin'!

The *only* add-on I consider critical these days is Deadly Boss Mods if you want to raid.  Everything else is just personal preference.  I prefer to run with as few as possible honestly.  I have Recount so I can see who is sucking and whether we should even try bosses like Festergut.  I use Omen for those rare times when I am yanking aggro like crazy and have to be careful.  Gatherer is also used out of laziness.  Nothing else!



Gets a little crowded during 25-m action, but nowhere near as bad as it used to be in 40-m raids.

[Rasix]

That screenshot makes me cringe.  Get Grid for crissakes.

I'm playing on a crappy laptop while I'm in Phoenix for a few days.  I tried playing with the default UI for a night, but the next night I had to install the barest core of the mods I use.  I simply find it too hard to play with the default positioning of the unit frames.  Gotten good enough at setting up my UI that PitBull4 only took a few minutes (mostly just finding the damn options to turn off all the stupid frames I don't need).  I think almost everything else I could live with but I'm just so used to my unit frame and my target's sitting near my feet. Bagnon, Dominos and a few others made it on also.  Sticking to leveling, although I'm surprised at how well this laptop is doing with the graphics cranked down.   Dalaran is bearable and I actually what I miss the most is my monitor, not diminished graphics and cpu capacity.

[kildorn]

Default UI users representin'!

Crazy people who actually raid heal with the default UI represent?

Seriously, what's wrong with you people! I went from screen dominating green bar hell to mouseover casting and tiny window of who is in or out of range love.

[Dren]

Default UI users representin'!

Crazy people who actually raid heal with the default UI represent?

Seriously, what's wrong with you people! I went from screen dominating green bar hell to mouseover casting and tiny window of who is in or out of range love.

Seconded!  If you think you are healing at your best without something like Healbot, you are just wrong.  I can see who is in range, hurt, or just plain has agro and shouldn't.  I have heals coming on people that are about to get whacked more times than not.  I do that all WHILE tank healing too.  This allows me to not overheal spam and go OOM constantly while keeping our activities successful.

If you still insist default UI is ok for raid healing, at least get an add-on for pvp healing.  There just is no other way to do it.

[Draegan]

Stock UI is hideous if not just barely functional.

I need my UI for moving my health bars.  Condensing buffs/debuffs.  Putting bars for temp buffs above my health bars, and debuffs above my targets healthbar and their durations.  Big plus on this one for my DK.  Recount, Omen are needed as well.  I do need to remember to download a raid mod though but I havn't raided in a while so I don't need it.