Patch 3.3

[Simond]

Hahahah, I love you Blizzard.

Bronjahm's sounds. When played together the attack/wound sounds are fucking hilarious.

You forgot the music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3jSY5fIeDA

[Delmania]

Out of curiosity, what are the general gears reqs needed for a 10 man?  I'd really like to do ICC 10 man.

[Lantyssa]

I had the opposite reaction to someone showing me that boss' sounds.

[sickrubik]

It's okay to have flaws, Lantyssa.

[WindupAtheist]

It's Blizzard. Between this and the Professor Futurama boss, I'll be surprised if the Arthas fight doesn't have a couple of rapping gnomes in tuxedos as adds while the boss runs around screaming Family Guy references.

[Merusk]

Out of curiosity, what are the general gears reqs needed for a 10 man?  I'd really like to do ICC 10 man.

Depends on who's running it, but if you're PUGing, most leaders on my server won't take you with less than 70% of your gear coming from the previous tier of gear (based on wowheroes gearscore.)  Which sounds awful until you realize you can easily do that through badges, VoA and a pickup raid every few weeks.

[Selby]

Out of curiosity, what are the general gears reqs needed for a 10 man?  I'd really like to do ICC 10 man.

I would say to have it easy as much ilvl232-245 or higher items as possible.  Good players can get by with less, bad PUGs and firestanders are going to need the high end combined with a few good players.  And yes, you can get most of that by chain running heroics for Emblems of Conquest and a 10-man Emblem of Triumph or few (you can get 21/week doing Ony-10\25 and TotC-10, which are all decently easy enough to get in and succeed at).

[Mattemeo]

Depends on who's running it, but if you're PUGing, most leaders on my server won't take you with less than 70% of your gear coming from the previous tier of gear (based on wowheroes gearscore.)  Which sounds awful until you realize you can easily do that through badges, VoA and a pickup raid every few weeks.

No, what sounds awful is using something as assinine as gearscore to judge your ability to perform in the raid. It proves nothing beyond your ability to successfully roll need on anything with a high ilevel your class can wear/wield. I could be geared over 9000 but the moment I have to be gearscore-approved to raid, I don't want to raid. Not that I PuG anyway.

[Merusk]

Don't forget the daily heroic quest.  2 Triumph emblems a day, bringing your total to 35 badges a week.   The 10-man TotC pieces (Conqueror's set)  cost 50 for 3 pieces (Chest, Helm, Legs) and 30 for the other two, with Gloves and Legs dropping from VoA.

I really can't stress abusing VOA pugs enough when gearing-up. Quick and simple fights that drop nice loot.

Depends on who's running it, but if you're PUGing, most leaders on my server won't take you with less than 70% of your gear coming from the previous tier of gear (based on wowheroes gearscore.)  Which sounds awful until you realize you can easily do that through badges, VoA and a pickup raid every few weeks.

No, what sounds awful is using something as assinine as gearscore to judge your ability to perform in the raid. It proves nothing beyond your ability to successfully roll need on anything with a high ilevel your class can wear/wield. I could be geared over 9000 but the moment I have to be gearscore-approved to raid, I don't want to raid. Not that I PuG anyway.

Yes, horrible players can have great gear.  I've heard the argument enough and seen the proofs firsthand.  I didn't say I agreed with the practice only that it's the metric used.  You don't want it used against you then don't pug. /shrug.

[Selby]

No, what sounds awful is using something as assinine as gearscore to judge your ability to perform in the raid. It proves nothing beyond your ability to successfully roll need on anything with a high ilevel your class can wear/wield.

Technically you can't exactly just roll need on gear and be successful, because if you suck most raid leaders won't put up with your shit and kick you before the gear drops.  And most raid leaders (PUG and guild) limit how many purples someone can get to be fair to others.

I hate having to look at gear scores and being judged solely on the number, but they are helpful to find out what people are bringing to the raid.  If someone wants to go in all quest greens and blues, that's going to be a difficult thing to do for lesser skilled players and groups.  It doesn't reflect on their skill so much as low hit points, low mana, and low damage or healing output in times when it is needed.  And if someone has decent gear but is too lazy to enchant any of it or gem it at all, that also shows that they aren't exactly serious about preparing for the content and you might end up having some AFker or absent-minded player taking up a slot that could be better occupied by someone actually getting the job done.  No one likes to go into a raid and wipe over and over because 1-2 players just can't get it together.

[Ashamanchill]

It's Blizzard. Between this and the Professor Futurama boss, I'll be surprised if the Arthas fight doesn't have a couple of rapping gnomes in tuxedos as adds while the boss runs around screaming Family Guy references.

Lol that made me laugh way to hard.

[Numtini]

No, what sounds awful is using something as assinine as gearscore to judge your ability to perform in the raid. It proves nothing beyond your ability to successfully roll need on anything with a high ilevel your class can wear/wield. I could be geared over 9000 but the moment I have to be gearscore-approved to raid, I don't want to raid. Not that I PuG anyway.

I'd have to disagree. WoW is so heavily about gear it's not even funny. Gearscores may not be perfect, but they're a good hint about what a characters potential is. A bad player won't live up to that potential, but it forms a ceiling on a good player that you just can't get around.

[Selby]

A bad player won't live up to that potential, but it forms a ceiling on a good player that you just can't get around.

Especially on the higher end content (beyond Naxx and the latter part of Ulduar) where many of the boss fights end up being DPS races to beat some timer before the boss enrages and wipes the raid or spawns so many adds it overwhelms the off-tank and healers.

[Jayce]

Hahahah, I love you Blizzard.

Bronjahm's sounds. When played together the attack/wound sounds are fucking hilarious.

Is that Metzen?

[Ingmar]

Depends on who's running it, but if you're PUGing, most leaders on my server won't take you with less than 70% of your gear coming from the previous tier of gear (based on wowheroes gearscore.)  Which sounds awful until you realize you can easily do that through badges, VoA and a pickup raid every few weeks.

No, what sounds awful is using something as assinine as gearscore to judge your ability to perform in the raid. It proves nothing beyond your ability to successfully roll need on anything with a high ilevel your class can wear/wield. I could be geared over 9000 but the moment I have to be gearscore-approved to raid, I don't want to raid. Not that I PuG anyway.

To be fair its just formalizing with some number what we basically do ourselves in our own raids - we typically don't take people to Ulduar until they have mostly Naxx gear, etc. I think where the problem comes in with a lot of PUGs is that they set the number at a stupid level (in order to raid Naxx, you must have Uld 25 gear!) But without looking at gear or achievements (or even with, but at least its *something* to look at), its really hard to guess if someone is going to cause everyone problems, and there are a couple spots where one or two bad players can really ruin it for everyone, say if they keep blowing people up on XT, or if your priests completely fail at Razuvious 25 (I've seen that kill more Naxx PUGs than all other fights combined) or whatever.

[AutomaticZen]

The Night Elf Mohawk grenade is here. 

[Fordel]

I seriously  those commercials.

[Demetra]

The Night Elf Mohawk grenade is here. 

That has to be a spoof. 

I hope.

[Lantyssa]

Not at all.  It's the top news item on the WoW site.

[Simond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98uDkyzVvSc

[Sheepherder]

Did I mention seeing a texture labelled Mr_T during the Halloween mask thing in the Cataclysm thread?

[Fordel]

You can toss them while still mounted. Drive by Mohawking!

[Merusk]

Shadowmourne - Legendary Preview

Sounds like an Epic Weapon quest instead of "Collect x number of shards."  I prefer this method, whereas previously you'd discover your person with the most shards either quit or was not there for a few raids and missed enough that you had 30 shards in the guild.. on 5 people.   

[Delmania]

Shadowmourne - Legendary Preview

Sounds like an Epic Weapon quest instead of "Collect x number of shards."  I prefer this method, whereas previously you'd discover your person with the most shards either quit or was not there for a few raids and missed enough that you had 30 shards in the guild.. on 5 people.   

Wowhead had some of the quests up there, but I think they were taken down.  You needed to kill 1000 Scourge while in ICC and collect shards from the FT that were found on them...

[Soulflame]

Not a single correctly itemized piece of loot on Holy Paladin T10!     Rest of it is all crit/mp5!

I hope shamans enjoy sharing loot with paladins yet again.

[Gobbeldygook]

Not a single correctly itemized piece of loot on Holy Paladin T10!     Rest of it is all crit/mp5!

I hope shamans enjoy sharing loot with paladins yet again.

The only reason I wear as much mail as I do is I know the casters would mount my head on a spike if I started stealing hitless cloth.

[K9]

Emblem gear isn't bad. There's finally some worthy Enhance pieces.

For my main I'm really scratching my head trying to see if the bonuses will be useful or just too random. Priest T10 is odd.

[Fordel]

Turkey World Event:


Bad: Fuck the kill 40 turkey achievement.

Good: Woo cooking to 300 for everyone!

[Gobbeldygook]

Turkey World Event:


Bad: Fuck the kill 40 turkey achievement.

Good: Woo cooking to 300 for everyone!

Just wait a few days for all the crazies to get the 40 turkey achievement, then grab it easily at some off-peak time.

Really, trying to do an achievement like that on opening day is madness.

[Fordel]

I've already done it twice 

[Soulflame]

Tracker Snacks!

And yeah, it was actually fairly easy to get the 40 turkeys achievement today.

It was far more irritating to have to run to every horde capital multiple times for the dailies.

[Fordel]

All of my alts have 300 cooking now, best Holiday ever!

[Lantyssa]

Just wait a few days for all the crazies to get the 40 turkey achievement, then grab it easily at some off-peak time.

Not everyone has the schedule to allow them to pick when they can do it.

Shitty achievement.  I got interrupted during so many attempts.  By the time I got it, it wasn't a celebration but a tear-streaked triumph to my stupidity for wanting a little turkey pet.

Whomever designed it needs to be kicked.  All you need is one person to interrupt a string of forty kills, and you're placed in a situation where everyone is interrupting everyone else so it just snowballs.  Stupid.

[Selby]

Shitty achievement.  I got interrupted during so many attempts.  By the time I got it, it wasn't a celebration but a tear-streaked triumph to my stupidity for wanting a little turkey pet.

I almost got to 20 once.  It's been so damn frustrating I am taking time off from it for a day or 2.  Every other achievement for that is done but killing turkeys.  Seriously, someone needs to be kicked in the balls over such a horrid achievement.  It's not as bad as "for the children" and the PvP exercises involved, but it is still frustratingly angry.

[Merusk]

It *is* horribly stupid, but I lucked into it the first day just running up and down the path between the two farms in Elwynn.  Enough folks were killing turkeys they were nearly insta-spawning and they're pretty tightly concentrated around there.    Does everyone get the buff if you're grouped together? The holiday is about 'sharing' so I'd hope it does, and you could reduce some of the frustration by grouping up.