Patch 3.3

[Jeff Kelly]

I hate it that they always put a totally inane or stupid Achivement into festivities that just makes it a pain in the Ass to finish the meta. Like having to rely on the random number generator (Hallows End Masks before they got removed from the meta, too many Valentines day achivements to count), need to PVP for (I won't touch PVP with a ten foot pole) or things like "Use this thing on a certain kind of class/race combo.

Getting the rose petals for the valentines day achivement on a female dwarf or troll was stupid.

Here they have done something similar Kill a rogue of every race? Come on? Don't you guys have statistics on that sort of thing?

[Zetor]

You don't need to kill rogues, just tag them with the turkey shooter item [that you get by doing dailies].

I got 40 turkeys on the 2nd try, on a mid-population server (admittedly during off-peak times, this is probably one of the only advantages of being an European on a US server). I started from the northeast corner of elwynn and went south to the lumber camp, then did a slight loop-back along the river to the north, then west to the jangolode mine, then south again. Nobody else was in the area, and tracker snacks made it easy... still, the respawn rate could use a buff.

[Oban]

Outside Undercity, to the West of the city and South of Coldhearth Manor there is a huge area with wild turkeys roaming about.  One try with the tracker snacks buff was all it took for me to hit 40.

As for the dwarf rogue, I almost gave up after waiting for thirty minutes in Dalaran and went to Ironforge to find one.

Probably one of the easiest world events ever.

[Fordel]

People were specifically making lvl 1 <race> rogues for that achievement on our server.

[Signe]

I logged in this morning before nine (Earthen Ring) and there was no one around doing the quests.  This event, however, has already sucked the life out of me and I have no urge to do it with my any of my alts.  Cooking is easy enough to level anyway, thankfully. 

[Lantyssa]

Does everyone get the buff if you're grouped together? The holiday is about 'sharing' so I'd hope it does, and you could reduce some of the frustration by grouping up.

Grouping does NOT work.  Yet another stupid thing about it.

Outside Undercity, to the West of the city and South of Coldhearth Manor there is a huge area with wild turkeys roaming about.  One try with the tracker snacks buff was all it took for me to hit 40.

I tried many areas, and did use tracker snacks.  When I finally got the achievement I had killed 160-170 turkeys.  (That isn't counting the ~60 on my Undead who had just as much luck.)

[Jayce]

I had no luck during just off prime this weekend, but I logged in really early one morning and got it easily.  I suppose by some definitions that's poopsocking, but if waking up early is a pathology, then I guess I'm sick.

Grouping should work though, withing a certain range. That's kind of weak.

I found every kind of rogue within about 30 minutes of poking around Dalaran.  I did get a few of the enemy ones lurking near the tables at Thunder Bluff, though, just for the fun.

[Lantyssa]

The rogue achievement has been pretty easy.  I only need an Orc, and that's because I was out of turkey shot.  Some in Dalaran, some just wandering about my questing, and a few from sitting outside the Undercity watching traffic come and go.  (An enemy by the gates of their capital always makes people stop.)

[Selby]

The rogues were easy, alliance parked a gnome and dwarf right next to each other within an hour of the quests going live and I got those then.  Then a human and NE were easy.  The troll rogue proved to be elusive until today, but that was simple enough when people are advertising themselves as available for shooting.

The 40 turkeys has me still seeing red.  30 turkeys tonight and I ran into a draenai warrior farming turkeys in Tirisfal.  He had killed the last few in the area and before any could respawn the buff wore out.  I will put this off for another day or two and get up at 4AM or something stupid just to get it =P

[Lakov_Sanite]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_mlqfODJKY&feature=player_embedded

[Jayce]

To get my last (gnome) rogue I actually just did a "/who gnome Dalaran" and started /targeting the rogues in the results until I found one in range. I never actually got a visual on the one I targeted - I could not find him despite running all over looking.

Incidentally - if anyone is in dire need of a certain race, post or PM me and I don't mind making a level 1 on someone's (US) server in the late evening EST.

[Xanthippe]

The 40 turkeys has me still seeing red.  30 turkeys tonight and I ran into a draenai warrior farming turkeys in Tirisfal.  He had killed the last few in the area and before any could respawn the buff wore out.  I will put this off for another day or two and get up at 4AM or something stupid just to get it =P

I had no trouble getting those at all - I was between UC and Western Plaguelands, which is a good spot because the turkeys have yellow names so they all stand out.  Way better than trying to find them in Elwynn.  (I'm alliance).

But that spot can only handle one person at a time.

[Selby]

I had no trouble getting those at all - I was between UC and Western Plaguelands, which is a good spot because the turkeys have yellow names so they all stand out.  Way better than trying to find them in Elwynn.  (I'm alliance).

But that spot can only handle one person at a time.

Exactly.  I got all of it done in Venomweb vale during prime time and no one was around.  I could have gone to Elwynn, as no one was out there trying to do it this afternoon.  It was still an annoying achievement ;-)

At least no one was camping the chairs in the Alliance capitals today though.  The Horde side on my server was all about denying the allies their seats at the table and had people camping out at UC for hours.  Ridiculous I thought.

[raydeen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_mlqfODJKY&feature=player_embedded

Ok, how the hell do I get one of those? I must have a butt-skooching pet.

[SurfD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_mlqfODJKY&feature=player_embedded

Ok, how the hell do I get one of those? I must have a butt-skooching pet.

I believe the way you do it is use the new cross server lfg tool to group with random people.  Group with 100 random people and complete a dungeon and you get your pet.  Not sure if grouping with 4 random people for 1 dungeon counts as 1 point or 4 points towards your Pet though.

[Jayce]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_mlqfODJKY&feature=player_embedded

Ok, how the hell do I get one of those? I must have a butt-skooching pet.

I believe the way you do it is use the new cross server lfg tool to group with random people.  Group with 100 random people and complete a dungeon and you get your pet.  Not sure if grouping with 4 random people for 1 dungeon counts as 1 point or 4 points towards your Pet though.

I think it does. In this way it rewards people who truly pug rather than getting 4 people in a group and adding one random member.

Also, "the Patient" title comes with this I think.

[Draegan]

So did anyone get the free 7 day reactivation time?  I got mine, went to redeem it and got a 404 error.  Bah-humbug.

Edit:  It worked in Chrome.

[Polysorbate80]

At least no one was camping the chairs in the Alliance capitals today though.  The Horde side on my server was all about denying the allies their seats at the table and had people camping out at UC for hours.  Ridiculous I thought.

Scilla was totally different.  Saw several Hordies killed while I was doing the dailies (yay thank you for an easy way to 350+ cooking skill), but I had no trouble at the Horde tables.  I even sat & ate for the "spirit of sharing" buff at the tauren & blood elf tables, in both cases while the enemy was present and refusing to do anything other than taunt. 

Perhaps nobody was willing to get between a mug-wielding dwarf and his plate of food?

[raydeen]

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[Morfiend]

Pick up yer awesome Three Worgen Moon shirts now! Night Elf chix will think yer hawt liek Twilight!! 

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The face that the t-shirt model is making is horrifying.

[JWIV]

So are the user submissions

[Jayce]

3.3 reported to be ready to drop next Tuesday (Dec 8).   

[Ashamanchill]

Sweeeeet. I don't even care about Icecrown, no way my guild is gonna be able to do that. I just to scrape together emblems of frost from the daily to buy some really awesome shit.

[Paelos]

Sweeeeet. I don't even care about Icecrown, no way my guild is gonna be able to do that. I just to scrape together emblems of frost from the daily to buy some really awesome shit.

Yeah, I haven't logged for about 2 weeks waiting for this. I've already gotten all the conquest and triumph crap.

[Soulflame]

The flood of people returning asking for raid spots is setting my rage levels to genocide.

 

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that ICC is supposed to hit next week.

[Paelos]

The flood of people returning asking for raid spots is setting my rage levels to genocide.

 

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that ICC is supposed to hit next week.

Are they returning after being gone like a month? Or like 5 months? Did you have previous things on farm for a while?

I mean, I'm used to having raiders bail out in the last month when an expected patch is coming down the line to take an extended break. I do it quite often myself. The slackasses who left after Naxx and haven't shown up until Icecrown though....

[Rasix]

3.3 reported to be ready to drop next Tuesday (Dec 8).  

42 uncut epic gems prepped for raider rape.

[Soulflame]

It's both.  I have one guy asking to tank ICC after having not shown up at all since Naxx, and another guy who habitually gets himself geared up, then stops playing til the next tier, and a handful of others who took a break because we had content on farm, and they were bored.

I've got some ideas on how to deal with the latter folks, and the first guy is simply SOL unless he's willing to really prove himself.

The main reason this really hurts is the former GM operated on a policy of "tight roster, everyone raids".  The problem with this is when ten people decide to go on break, you're sitting around with seventeen raiders wondering how to fill the holes.  Do I recruit eight people, and tell the ones who come back from break "too bad"?  Or do I PUG raiders til they come back, or...

Sometimes I really hate being GM.

[Shrike]

You run with who you got. If they disappear, you gets more. If they come back and the slots are filled...well, too bad. If not, then you gots again--but they'd better be reasonably up to speed on their own. 

My guild is a casual guild, so people come and go on a fairly regular basis. This is fundamental to the guild. It's not ideal, but we make progress. You just roll with it. However, douchebaggery isn't tolerated. Coming back after two content updates and expecting to jump into the latest and greatest? No. Not going to happen. If he's a tank, best inform him that having a dps set available will be a very good idea (hinthint--you aren't up to tanking any sort of ToGC so what makes you think anything past 5man ICC is in your immediate future?). If they can get geared up reasonably well in the early days of ICC, well, then they're golden. If not, they're warming the bench.

[Musashi]

It's both.  I have one guy asking to tank ICC after having not shown up at all since Naxx, and another guy who habitually gets himself geared up, then stops playing til the next tier, and a handful of others who took a break because we had content on farm, and they were bored.

I've got some ideas on how to deal with the latter folks, and the first guy is simply SOL unless he's willing to really prove himself.

The main reason this really hurts is the former GM operated on a policy of "tight roster, everyone raids".  The problem with this is when ten people decide to go on break, you're sitting around with seventeen raiders wondering how to fill the holes.  Do I recruit eight people, and tell the ones who come back from break "too bad"?  Or do I PUG raiders til they come back, or...

Sometimes I really hate being GM.

They didn't sound too concerned about your problems with filling the raid after you left.  So fuck em.  Let them camp raid spots like any other noob.  Any good experienced raider expects too anyway.  If they're threatening to quit if they can't jump right back in, honestly, you don't want them anyway.  Sometimes people's mighty e-rep precedes them.  But you have to be fair.

[Paelos]

The tank who comes back after nothing since Naxx is an idiot. He should know better, and if he doesn't he shouldn't be tanking in the first place. The guy who gears himself and immediately leaves should also be dumped as well. You basically just flush upgrades down the toilet if they never come back.

As for people getting bored with farming and leaving, I empathize. I really hate farming shit myself, and I'm one of the raid leaders. At some point, I look at where we are, how much gear we pulled out, how much stuff we still use, which bosses they are located on, and how much stuff is getting DE'd. If I feel like we are farming the place to get a few gear upgrades off the last 20% of the raid, and we have a pretty good idea that the next content update is a month away or less, I simply stop going to the run at that point.

Example: Are we running this over and over for 3-4 hours because people want weapon drops off Kel'Thuzad, while we shard the rest of the instance? If yes, I'm stopping. Are the only viable upgrades off Anub in TOC 25, and we've been sharding half of what he drops? Fuck that.

There is no reason to be a completionist in WoW these days when every new patch is a badge whoring reset button. The focus should be on the kills and the achievements rather than endlessly farming.

[Merusk]

3.3 reported to be ready to drop next Tuesday (Dec 8).  

42 uncut epic gems prepped for raider rape.

Funny you should mention that.. I've got about 60k honor banked to avoid said raider rape.  10k per epic gem is 

[Shrike]

Paelos brings up a point, but it overlooks one thing: weapons. Anub is one of only two sources (and by far the better) of 200dps weapons for shaman and combat rogues (and DW DKs, but they're morons so fuck 'em). Blizz consistantly screws these two subclasses over on weapon itemization. If your raid is lacking in dps and you have significant numbers of combat rogues or enhancement shaman, then you have to farm Anub to fix it. Have to. And, yeah, it sucks.

Otherwise, you're running with 178dps weapons (which are themselves annoying to come by). I don't even want to hear bitching about enhance dps if you're not willing to farm Anub. Furthermore, unless you have signficant offset T9 gear, you can't rely on Deathbringers (which Ony never drops in 25man...) since they'll kill your stats. Yes, I'm bitter over this. Yeah, giving rogues axes REALLY fixed weapons itemization for enhance. Ghostwalker can blow me.

[Fabricated]

I like how in 10-man ToTC, 3 big ticket tank items drop from Anub. Chestpiece, weapon, shield. Good luck, tanks that need gear. I'm just lucky the loot gods are kind to me in 25-man TOTC.

[SurfD]

My beef with item drops is that my feral tank needs a new cape (still rolling with a naxx tanking cape) and the ONLY place to get an upgrade is either 25 man Ulduar (which no one ever runs any more) or 25 man ToC, which has such tight competiton for tank spots that getting my druid in there usually involves me going boomkin, and being unable to roll on the cape....

In all likelyhood, im going to have to wait for Icecrown, and just buy the badge cape.