Cataclysm

[LK]

If it means prettier elves, I'm all for it. The detail on new characters have a certain OMFG Ugly to them.

[Fordel]

I want to know why that weird graphical stick keeps showing up on the goblin lady.

I mean, how does that happen, one of you modelers must have some insight or something. It just seems to random, it's not like an arm jerking the wrong way, its just this random bit of... polygon? I dunno.

[Simond]

The goblin /cry emote (male and female) both involve pulling out a hanky to blow nose/wipe eyes. That's the hanky.

[Fordel]

Oh! haha nice. 

[Sheepherder]

It's probably supposed to toggle off, but the model viewer doesn't handle that well.

[koro]

The cosmetic appearance slot item things that were "datamined" seem to have turned out to be a hoax by Goons.

Just a head's up.

[SurfD]

The cosmetic appearance slot item things that were "datamined" seem to have turned out to be a hoax by Goons.

Just a head's up.

It could be a hoax.  It could also be somethin that blizz may be considering, since the tech (i think) needed to do it will be present in game when they launch the Reclaiming of Gnomer / Echo Isles questlines event patch.

The Reward for completing the questlines is supposed to be an "over cloak", which essentially changes the graphical appearance of your cloak, without changing the stats on it.

[WindupAtheist]

Oh boy, if only I ever had my cloak set to visible. What a crock of shit.

[koro]

The cosmetic appearance slot item things that were "datamined" seem to have turned out to be a hoax by Goons.

Just a head's up.

It could be a hoax.  It could also be somethin that blizz may be considering, since the tech (i think) needed to do it will be present in game when they launch the Reclaiming of Gnomer / Echo Isles questlines event patch.

The Reward for completing the questlines is supposed to be an "over cloak", which essentially changes the graphical appearance of your cloak, without changing the stats on it.

No, it is a hoax. As in the Goon who made up the fake item entries admitted as much on SA, much to the consternation of the rest of the posters who were incredibly angry that they went out and farmed up a bunch of old tier/dungeon sets in preparaton. I'll provide a link if I can get one, but my source is asleep right now.

[Ironwood]

I suspect that due to the NDA, a lot of the stuff you'll be hearing at the moment is utter shite.

[Bzalthek]

You can't trust anything these days.  Even hoax tales.  Remember when worgen/goblin races were just a hoax and it was just some Halloween masks?

[Lakov_Sanite]

You can't trust anything these days.  Even hoax tales.  Remember when worgen/goblin races were just a hoax and it was just some Halloween masks?

I enjoyed that.

[Lantyssa]

I'm not getting excited about anything until it ships, and being wary even then.  Male Blood Elves were skinny fellas until pretty close to launch.

[Mrbloodworth]

If you have the ability to hide mesh (like most MMO's) then you have the ability to toggle the items visually.

However, most of Wow's visuals are locked, and lack customization, to the point where color is a factor in an items worth, because you can't change it. So I would say I don't think they will add visual toggles.  That, and the whole PvP issue.

[Typhon]

I think if they really want to add some (more) support for vanity wear they'll create a large bag that can only hold armor/weapons and say to the user base - "get the large armor bag and use the equipment manager.  Whenever you want to look fabulous, just click the equipment load-out called "fabulous!".  Oh yeah, you probably won't want to do that in a dungeon or a BG."

Then they just continue to roll out vanity wear items at their usual pace (there are already a ton of them).

[Sheepherder]

However, most of Wow's visuals are locked, and lack customization, to the point where color is a factor in an items worth, because you can't change it.

Dude, the technology to disable models has been in the game since 2004.  I have no clue what the item colour and price has to do with anything either.  Of course the item's price auto-completes based on a function of the item quality and level, that's the fucking smart thing to do.

[Malakili]

 I have no clue what the item colour and price has to do with anything either.

Go on the AH and check out the prices of the tailoring items that have no stats.  Even though many of them have the same materials to make, they aren't all the same price.  WHY COULD THIS BE?!

[koro]

Here we go:

[Ironwood]

 

[Sheepherder]

Go on the AH and check out the prices of the tailoring items that have no stats.  Even though many of them have the same materials to make, they aren't all the same price.  WHY COULD THIS BE?!

Because price is calculated on item quality, item level, and slot.  So since apparently you're in the know, care to tell me how that would affect your ability to override one model with another as Bloodworth is suggesting?

[SurfD]

to the point where color is a factor in an items worth, because you can't change it.

I am pretty sure that Bloodworth was not talking about vendor cash value when he made this statement using the word "worth", but rather intrinsic value in regards to such things as color as a factor in visually identifying the item level of a piece of gear with an identical mesh (or for that mater, the way that the color of a particular item affects its value as seen by the user, rather then the vendor).

A perfect example would be the whole: Look, that guy is wearing those shoulders, but they are blue, so they are only the Tx.0 version, not the Tx.5 version, or look, that guy is using that weapon, and it is this color, so it is the heroic version.  There is where the color of similar / identical meshes would have an impact on their percieved worth (in regards to blizzard allowing you to overwrite one with the other)

Also, I am pretty sure that a sexy red dress and a sexy black dress vendor for the same amount, but sell on the AH for WILDLY different values simply due to their color / rarity.

[Malakili]

Go on the AH and check out the prices of the tailoring items that have no stats.  Even though many of them have the same materials to make, they aren't all the same price.  WHY COULD THIS BE?!

Because price is calculated on item quality, item level, and slot.  So since apparently you're in the know, care to tell me how that would affect your ability to override one model with another as Bloodworth is suggesting?

Um, because we aren't talking about what things VENDOR for, but what they SELL FOR ON THE AUCTION HOUSE.  Sorry you missed the boat on this one.

[Sheepherder]

No, you brought up the auction house.  Bloodworth popped in, apparently concatenated three thoughts into one, and posted it.  As per his usual modus operandi.  It doesn't matter: talking about the impact on the auction house is meaningless, because Blizzard could just as easily require you to have the gear you're duplicating in your inventory and bound to you.  Or append every unique item model you've ever equipped to a list of things you're capable of emulating the look of (so that you can vendor it afterward).

[Ingmar]

No, you brought up the auction house.  Bloodworth popped in, apparently concatenated three thoughts into one, and posted it.  As per his usual modus operandi.  It doesn't matter: talking about the impact on the auction house is meaningless, because Blizzard could just as easily require you to have the gear you're duplicating in your inventory and bound to you.  Or append every unique item model you've ever equipped to a list of things you're capable of emulating the look of (so that you can vendor it afterward).

Uh, Bloodworth was pretty clearly talking about the AH value. You're on a weird tangent here.

[Sheepherder]

I don't see anything there that suggests auction house, emergent player behaviours, or game economy.  I don't speak Bloodworth.

Even conceding that Bloodworth's inkblot is an auctioneer, it doesn't follow that an appearance tab necessarily deprecates cosmetic items.  Nor is devaluing random armour pieces of little inherent worth even necessarily something Blizzard would avoid.

[WindupAtheist]

No really Sheepherder, it's just you.

However, most of Wow's visuals are locked, and lack customization, to the point where color is a factor in an items worth, because you can't change it.

Why the hell you would take this as a reference to NPC vendor prices is beyond me.

[Sheepherder]

Because the thought of not introducing a massively requested feature in order to protect the niche of three asshats constantly undercutting each other in a desperate attempt to win the patronage of each other's bank alts could only come from a mind so warped as to be beyond human comprehension?



Clarify: I considered the notion he was talking the player cosmetic economy (see above).  I figured it made more sense if he was working under the misapprehension that Blizzard tacked on a premium (repair/vendor wise) for certain gear using cooler / non-generic models and would need to overhaul item prices for an obscenely large number of items.

[Sjofn]

The reason they won't add cosmetic shit is really quite simple. Their art department would cry because no one would wear their hideous purple and orange abominations, instead prefering the twill set, or some level 15-ish mail "set." Blizzard doesn't want them to cry, especially the colorblind guy, so tough cookies, people.

[K9]

 

[WindupAtheist]

The reason they won't add cosmetic shit is really quite simple. Their art department would cry because no one would wear their hideous purple and orange abominations, instead prefering the twill set, or some level 15-ish mail "set." Blizzard doesn't want them to cry, especially the colorblind guy, so tough cookies, people.

Yeah, the artwork for each successive tier would need to actually be good, not just bigger with more shiny bits, if they ever expected anyone to use it.

They mostly get a pass for it, but I've always detected a hint of well-hidden butthurt from Blizzard over certain things. Sure they could just let you choose one random dungeon to opt out of, but they would rather put extra loot in Oculus and just up the deserter penalty. Because you're going to fucking run it whether you like it or not.

Same thing with Isle of Conquest. Now that they've de-incentivized everything but random BGing, there are actually people in there. Sure they probably don't like it any better than they did when it was the one BG that was totally ignored, but at least they're doing it.

[Sjofn]

They seem particularly sensitive about their art, though. I remember when T2 came out (that was the one REALLY awesome paladin set, right?) and the hunters fucking freaked out because their set was fucking orange and purple and ugly as shit. It was ugly as shit specifically because they let someone pick orange and purple (hence my conviction they have at least one colorblind dude picking colors, and everyone is too nice to tell him they're terrible). Everyone with even the slightest clue about photoshop redid the colors to something not completely offensive to the eyes, and it looked a zillion times better. But orange and purple it was, bitches. The mages hated theirs too (colors again, although not nearly as bad), I believe they even got a "Nice previews you got there, be a shame if anything happened to 'em" response from Caydiem in an attempt to shut them up.

That and their steadfast conviction that dyes would be the Devil's Work pretty much convinces me we will never see an appearance tab.

[caladein]

Just to keep this tangent going: I do not understand the fascination with Paladin Tier 2, at all.  I thought it looked ghastly then and it's only gotten worse in comparison since.

That said, I think the best looking Paladin sets are the latest PvP ones which have mostly been panned... so what the hell do I know?

[Malakili]

Just to keep this tangent going: I do not understand the fascination with Paladin Tier 2, at all.  I thought it looked ghastly then and it's only gotten worse in comparison since.

That said, I think the best looking Paladin sets are the latest PvP ones which have mostly been panned... so what the hell do I know?

I likes Judgement, it seemed very Inquisition or something.  You could see the paladins wearing that burning people at the stake and kicking some ass.   I think my favorite paladin set was tier 6 though.   As for Dragonstalker, I think the orange and purple was pretty iffy, but I don't remember hating at the time.  Then again, at the time all the armor outside of the couple of raid sets looked like trash anyway, so there wasn't much to choose from.

My favorites in general have been druid sets though, except for tier 4, druids should not wear pants.  Granted, not that anyone ever gets to see druid gear these days anyway.  Though they will change that in cataclysm I guess.

[Dren]

Yeah, I like the PvP sets that are subdued in general.  One, I like them because they don't scream, "Hey I'm big and bright, SHOOT ME!"  Two, I typically don't like to walk around looking like a clown.

Sleek, distinct style with function in mind (function of killing) and non-abrasive colors are all good in my book.  If they want crap to smoke, blink, glow, etc., limit to in-town only so people can park in front of the banks on their behemoth flying mounts of doom.

[Sjofn]

I like the Judgement set partly because I liked it way better than anything they had come out with prior to that, and I think it's held up since. I totally collected the purple TBC version (I liked the purple better than the original colors, so bonus!). That said, I don't think it looks super great on human females (I don't really like robes on them in general, plus the helm looks weird instead of vaguely intimidating), so I wouldn't bust it out on mine very often, probably. As mentioned, it was sort of Inquisition-y, which I liked. But yeah, I guess because tier 2 in general was so fucking bad, Judgement looked wonderful in comparison.

Druid sets, by and large, are my favorite. Which is another reason why I want to strangle the boo hooing resto druids crying about tree form going away. So many of them claim the druid sets are ugly. Ugly! Bitches don't know how good they have it. My poor DK is going to be SKULLS SKULL SKULLS even after we leave the Skull Expansion behind.  


EDIT: I totally had warrior set envy in Ulduar, whichever tier THAT was. They all run together!