2009 NFL

[Draegan]

I was shocked how crappy SD ran the ball. Is the Jets front 4 that good or is LT that old/SD front 4 that mediocre?

The Jets front three.

[Trippy]

Favre was sacked 34 times this year in the regular season which is above his career average of 28. 2007 he was sacked 15 times.

The increase in sacks may have to do with him taking fewer risks and/or running less.

Yes that was my point. I'm saying his low INTs this year is because he's playing differently. Not because he has better pass protection or something.

[Nebu]

Yes that was my point. I'm saying his low INTs this year is because he's playing differently. Not because he has better pass protection or something.

I misunderstood.  Sorry about that. 

[Sky]

Also, less fumbles than ever (2). When you factor in age and the intensity he plays at, it's a heck of a thing. There's a reason people like Favre.

Sanchez, Romo, these kids still have a lot to prove. But guys like Manning and Favre deserve to be praised. So long as they don't forget about guys like Sanders, Mathis and Freeney, though they've been getting pretty good coverage this year.

[Rasix]

Bob Sanders has spent half of time injured (literally) since joining the league. A force when he's out there, but it doesn't seem like you can ever count on that.

[ghost]

Tony Romo will never amount to a fucking thing.

[Nebu]

Tony Romo will never amount to a fucking thing.

He already has.  That "thing" is a millionaire. 

[Sjofn]

I think the Vikings need to fumble more. 

[Tannhauser]

So glad the Saints won, now Farve can go fuck himself.  Way to throw a pick to end your career.  It's only fitting the 'old gunslinger' goes out like this.
I respect him and his stats but he needs to fucking go away now.

Saints played like shit in the 2nd half but did just enough to win.  Saints are in the Superbowl.  That HAS to be one of the signs of the Apocalypse.

[Chimpy]

He threw a pick on his last play before his first retirement.

[Sjofn]

The pick to which Chimpy refers is my favorite Favre INT of all time. 

The Saints make me nervous about their SB chances, just because when one team turns the ball over a billion times, it prooooobably shouldn't go to OT to decide the other team wins.

[sigil]

So glad the Saints won, now Farve can go fuck himself.  Way to throw a pick to end your career.  It's only fitting the 'old gunslinger' goes out like this.
I respect him and his stats but he needs to fucking go away now.

Saints played like shit in the 2nd half but did just enough to win.  Saints are in the Superbowl.  That HAS to be one of the signs of the Apocalypse.

As a person who has lived on the Gulf Coast most of his life, I can't tell you how much of an amazing feeling this is. I don't know if we're going to be able to do shit  in the game right now, but this... this is tremendous.

Also twitter is awesome

Congrats to Brett Favre for coming out of retirement and taking the Saints to the Superbowl!

[Surlyboi]

As someone that really found kindred spirits in Saints fans, I wish you guys the best. "Who 'dat" indeed. Good luck boys.

[HaemishM]

WHO DAT, BITCHES!!!!

What a fantastic fucking game. That was exactly the type of nut-clenching game I wanted all year. The two best teams in the NFL going at it to the very end. I've been watching the Saints for 32 years - my first football memory is of watching the Saints play the Lions during Archie Manning's era. And after 25 or more years of sucking major ass, they finally get to the big game. Too damn awesome.

As for Favre, I take great pleasure in knowing that he lost this game and ruined his team's chance to go the Super Bowl in the EXACT SAME WAY he lost it for Green Bay in 2007 - trying to make a play he should never have tried to make and throwing a game-winning drive killing INT. Gunslinger, indeed. You shouldn't have picked the Vikings.

Normally, I'd root for the Colts in the Super Bowl, but it's the Saints. WHO DAT!

[Hoax]

If your spin on that game is that Favre lost the game for his team you are smoking some serious crack.

[caladein]

A first-drive field goal in Overtime deciding one of the teams going to the Super Bowl.

I remember this coming up early in the playoffs as a possible catalyst for a rule change (in a hypothetical Chargers/Colts AFC Championship).  Funny that that game didn't occur, but the exact scenario did.

Grats to the Saints and all, but that's a shit way for a championship game to end.

[Abagadro]

My friend from Minnesota is probably on the verge of suicide tonight.

It wasn't really Favre's interception that really did them in, it was the inexplicable 12 men in the huddle penalty that forced having to do such a play in the first place.

[Sjofn]

I have hated sudden death OT for some time, hopefully they finally fuckin' change it.

[Azuredream]

As an uninformed observer, what stops the NFL from going to a system more like the one at the college level?

[taolurker]

If your spin on that game is that Favre lost the game for his team you are smoking some serious crack.

Favre didn't have to throw that at all, there was 7 seconds left on the clock and all they needed was a field goal. They only needed about 7-10 yards to make it a manageable FG try.

It wasn't really Favre's interception that really did them in, it was the inexplicable 12 men in the huddle penalty that forced having to do such a play in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQi_wd4ol4

Still it's him running the ball out of bounds enough to make up the 5 yard penalty and they have it. If he weren't gimpy the whole game I'd say he even could've gone for the 1st down. There was no one on the right side.

[01101010]

Peterson is a beast on the field, but for the love of god stop fumbling the fucking ball. You are a primary ball carrier and you can seem to CARRY THE BALL.

Good on the Saints. I would have liked to see either team go, but the Superbowl will be a treat. I think Archie hangs himself sometime this week.

The Jets might be back if they can hold the team together. I think Ryan has the swagger of a Parcells and getting that deep in the playoffs should pay off for Sancheezy.

[Brogarn]

Favre's pick didn't lose that game. Every guy on the offense fumbling at some point lost that game. 12 men in the huddle lost that game. Favre played like a fucking champion even after getting drilled into the ground and needing help to make it to the sideline. This is just petty "I hate Favre" bullshit getting in the way of reality.

The Jets also played better than I expected. They have no reason to hang their head after that game and proved they had every right to be there. I think those that say differently just hoped that the Colts would lose to the Chargers who have a good history of that. But the Chargers lost their right when they stepped on their dick in their game against the Jets, so /shrug. Jets made it and they played pretty damn well.

[MrHat]

By the second half, Favre was all black and blue.  Poor guy got roughed up so much.

But he did Favre the game up at the end.  Seriously, he could of slid from where he was and got enough for the field goal.

Good on the Saints, but I fear that Manning is going to fuck them up badly.

[Sky]

Favre's pick didn't lose that game. Every guy on the offense fumbling at some point lost that game. 12 men in the huddle lost that game. Favre played like a fucking champion even after getting drilled into the ground and needing help to make it to the sideline. This is just petty "I hate Favre" bullshit getting in the way of reality.

This. But I guess they should've handed it to Dropsy McPeterson, right? The game should've been over when Favre could barely walk to the huddle, but he came back and almost won it, ffs. If you can't respect that, you should just stop watching football. Between AP and Favre's injuries, I was sure it was going to be a slaughter, but it went to OT. That's championship football.

And yeah, that 'other' game. Jets have some real potential. Seeing Ryan go apoplectic as his QB got planted without a flag was funny. Colts show how important adjustment and having the smartest QB in the league is.

[Draegan]

I have hated sudden death OT for some time, hopefully they finally fuckin' change it.

Fuck that.  If a team wants to win they should be able to man up and do it in regulation.  If the team doesn't win the coin toss then man up and play some Defense.

Never change it.

And the college system is gay.

[01101010]

I have hated sudden death OT for some time, hopefully they finally fuckin' change it.

Fuck that.  If a team wants to win they should be able to man up and do it in regulation.  If the team doesn't win the coin toss then man up and play some Defense.

Never change it.

And the college system is gay.

I agree, in part. A game decided by a coin toss is silly, even more so when you expect an already worn out defense to step up in OT. However, I definitely hate seeing college go back and forth and back and forth until someone fucks up, which is often times the only reason the other team wins, rather than based solely on a coin flip.

[Nebu]

Could just have a kicking contest.  Kick FG's from 30, 35, 40, 45, and 50 yds.  Best of 5 wins.  55 yarder for a tie breaker. 

Most are decided by a FG anyway... why the hell not?

[HaemishM]

Favre's pick didn't lose that game. Every guy on the offense fumbling at some point lost that game. 12 men in the huddle lost that game. Favre played like a fucking champion even after getting drilled into the ground and needing help to make it to the sideline. This is just petty "I hate Favre" bullshit getting in the way of reality.

Well, no, actually. Yes, the Vikings fumbled more times than old people having sex. They made some stupid penalties when they didn't need to. And Favre and their defense kept them in that game WAY PAST when they should have been blown out. I mean, come on, 4 fumbles? Two of which killed off drives that should have at least netted them field goals? AP and Percy Harvin should be lined up for every defensive player to slap the shit out of them.

But in the end, AFTER ALL THE FUCKUPS, Favre still had the opportunity to win or lose the game. All he had to do was: 1) run the ball with 10 yards of open space - a bad option considering his ankle was probably held together with duct tape, but still an option, 2) throw the ball in the fucking stands - sure, it makes the field goal tough as hell to make but it doesn't give the Saints the ball back and at least gives them the CHANCE at the field goal. Of course, I can also blame Childress for calling a pass there. With one timeout left, AP in the backfield (or even Chester Taylor), you can run the ball up the gut to set up a better field goal chance.

But instead, Favre tries to be Super-Favre, just like he did in the 2007 game against the Giants, the Saints pick it and end up winning the game. Of course there are a lot more factors, but the final gasp of the Vikings left their collective body on the wings of an ill-advised Favre pick. It's what you get with Favre. He's either going to wow you with some shit he never should have thrown, or he's going to cough up a big INT with some shit he shouldn't have thrown.

EDIT: As for the Jets, yep they showed me something. The Colts did the right thing defensively - they made Sanchez beat them and he couldn't. Give him a few years of seasoning and two healthy running backs and maybe he can. Their defense definitely showed up for as long as they could. After the Jets performance yesterday, I will say that they did deserve to be there, but I still would have preferred to watch Chargers/Colts.

[naum]

I have hated sudden death OT for some time, hopefully they finally fuckin' change it.

Fuck that.  If a team wants to win they should be able to man up and do it in regulation.  If the team doesn't win the coin toss then man up and play some Defense.

Never change it.

And the college system is gay.

I hate the college system.

If OT were to change I'd like to see them play a mini-game - 2 10 minute halves…

But the players like the OT rule the way it is… …they don't want to play for a longer period of time.

An interesting proposal I heard from an ESPN radio guy a few months back proposed keeping OT the way it is, but automatically awarding the visiting team 1st ball in OT… …reasoning being that if home team couldn't lick the visitors in regulation, visitors should get opening nod in sudden death OT…

Again, the college system is a joke.

But I wish the NFL would take the one-foot-in rule (especially now with the force-out rule change) and modify pass interference to 15 yards/1st down instead of spot of foul from the college game…

[01101010]

Could just have a kicking contest.  Kick FG's from 30, 35, 40, 45, and 50 yds.  Best of 5 wins.  55 yarder for a tie breaker. 

Most are decided by a FG anyway... why the hell not?

We wouldn't want kickers making a shit ton of money now would we? 

Shoot out in the NFL. Interesting concept: part of me is laughing at the notion but the other part is curious.

[Ingmar]

The college system is much better, they should use it.

[HaemishM]

The college system is for pussies.  I don't get why sudden death is so bad. Coin flip determines possession, first one to score wins, we go home. Don't get possession? Your defense needs to step up, plain and simple.

[Ingmar]

The college system is for pussies.  I don't get why sudden death is so bad. Coin flip determines possession, first one to score wins, we go home. Don't get possession? Your defense needs to step up, plain and simple.

I don't feel like a RNG element is really particularly appropriate in football, that's all. The coin flip at the start of the game is ok, because it is balanced out by swapping who receives at halftime. With the coin flip, when two teams with good offenses and bad defenses go to overtime, you're essentially assigning one of them to win with the coin flip itself. That's just kind of lame.

You still have the opportunity to step it up on defense and win the game in the other system, and there's no reason you have to start as close to the end zone as they do in college if you want a better test of the defense.

[Riggswolfe]

I have little to add to this thread. I wanted the Saints to win but Favre also earned my respect for showing alot of balls. He got hit what? 15+ times? Had his ankle injured? And he kept playing. That's grit. I can respect that. Yeah, he choked on an important play but that's the breaks.

I do have a question. I thought alot of those hits on Favre would draw a flag for late hits or something? Are they more liberal about that than they used to be? I haven't really watched alot of football in the last few years so my theory is that the pendulum swung back. I remember when if you bumped the QB while running past it'd be a personal foul and all that.

[JWIV]

I do have a question. I thought alot of those hits on Favre would draw a flag for late hits or something? Are they more liberal about that than they used to be? I haven't really watched alot of football in the last few years so my theory is that the pendulum swung back. I remember when if you bumped the QB while running past it'd be a personal foul and all that.

It's been inconsistent all season; even so far as to being called differently during the game.