I has Windows 7

[Righ]

What worries me is that MS is going to hork things up so badly that folks run to Apple. And then all the problems that MS has been dealing with in terms of viruses, malware, compatibility issues, etc, will start to afflict Apple to the same degree, if not moreso due to a lack of security 'culture' in Apple. Its gonna make my life hell. I have had two professors in my department switch from XP to Apple 'because its cool', even though they have to run bootcamp to run 2/3rds of their programs anyway.

Same shit, different desktop.

[fuser]

What worries me is that MS is going to hork things up so badly that folks run to Apple. And then all the problems that MS has been dealing with in terms of viruses, malware, compatibility issues, etc, will start to afflict Apple to the same degree, if not moreso due to a lack of security 'culture' in Apple.

Your kidding right? Apple jettisons compatibility all the time. Windows 7 is a pretty good base (which OS X has had for a long while with granular security) and simply installing Security Essentials, and stop using IE I think is strong enough for most people. I really think the security essentials is going to be such a major focus(launching it earlier this month) with 7, the general complaints will be mitigated.

No OS or protection will stop a user from destroying a computer, they are the point of failure in most security. Or as Righ eloquently said

Same shit, different desktop.

[Engels]

Everyone's saying the Security Essentials is going to be the bomb and maybe even put Norton et. al. out of business. I'll believe it when I see it. I know, so far it has pretty good results, but a good AV stands the test of time. I also am amused that somehow Microsoft Security Essentials saves the day...as long as you don't use Microsoft's browser...

[Big Gulp]

I also am amused that somehow Microsoft Security Essentials saves the day...as long as you don't use Microsoft's browser...

I'm always astounded to see anyone using anything other than Firefox.  What's the point of using a browser without an Adblock plugin?

[Sheepherder]

What worries me is that MS is going to hork things up so badly that folks run to Apple.

The main complaint with Vista was speed.  Windows 7 is fast.  The brother I mentioned earlier apparently works for a Microsoft Partner^tm, so he figured he can get me a free copy of professional.  For work use only, of course.

[schild]

What worries me is that MS is going to hork things up so badly that folks run to Apple.

The main complaint with Vista was speed.  Windows 7 is fast.  The brother I mentioned earlier apparently works for a Microsoft Partner^tm, so he figured he can get me a free copy of professional.  For work use only, of course.

Or two, amirite?

[Salamok]

The main complaint with Vista was speed. 

The main complaint with Vista for the 1st 6 months was app compatability.  The snowball effect of all the corporate IT pro's shouting if you install this don't expect to use it for work attached a permanent stigma to the OS.  It destroyed any chance the Vista brand name ever had of becoming a success.

[fuser]

Everyone's saying the Security Essentials is going to be the bomb and maybe even put Norton et. al. out of business. I'll believe it when I see it. I know, so far it has pretty good results, but a good AV stands the test of time. I also am amused that somehow Microsoft Security Essentials saves the day...as long as you don't use Microsoft's browser...

The issue is comparing it to its rivals and target which is AVG or Avira, it really is good. It misses the target of most of the bigger scanners due to their IPS/HIPS engines that are now becoming standard in most of the protection suites. The overhead for running it is low and the UI is clean and very intuitive for end users. The underlying engine is forefront which is supported via subscription, updates are linked into windows update via critical so it gets replicated to end users via windows update.

It doesn't save the day, but it offers another level of protection that was never technically available to users before "in the box" (Using that loosely due to it not bundled into the OS or they would see another court case). I just wonder how they are going to push it/market it to end users, I cannot remember if its now in action centers resolution for no anti virus yet. Note: AVG/Avira's "free" editions state in the EULA its not for commercial usage at all where MSE is allowed for home & business.

[Yegolev]

Anyone done an install yet?  I'll do some tests when I get the box but my dream is that I can somehow manage a clean install of W7 while having it not erase everything on the C: drive.  No, I'm not really sure I want to do this (I'm thinking I could have file ownership problems, at least), I am just enumerating my options before I get the release OS... which I am hoping solves my wife's various problems with W7.

[JWIV]

Anyone done an install yet?  I'll do some tests when I get the box but my dream is that I can somehow manage a clean install of W7 while having it not erase everything on the C: drive.  No, I'm not really sure I want to do this (I'm thinking I could have file ownership problems, at least), I am just enumerating my options before I get the release OS... which I am hoping solves my wife's various problems with W7.

Nothing yet - still waiting for my party pack to arrive.   

[Lantyssa]

Everyone's saying the Security Essentials is going to be the bomb and maybe even put Norton et. al. out of business. I'll believe it when I see it. I know, so far it has pretty good results, but a good AV stands the test of time. I also am amused that somehow Microsoft Security Essentials saves the day...as long as you don't use Microsoft's browser...

Since Norton hasn't put itself out of business yet, MS's new scanner won't either.

[Sheepherder]

The main complaint with Vista for the 1st 6 months was app compatability.

7 is better this way as well, quite possibly because Vista isn't that much of a different creature.

[Viin]

While I like Win7, I still don't know what version I should be pre-ordering.

[Engels]

Honestly, after issues with Fallen Earth and even CoH alt-tabbing in Win7, I have switched back to Vista. Yes, its a bit less responsive in regular desktop operations, but game stability is pretty much priority #1 for me.

[Viin]

Honestly, after issues with Fallen Earth and even CoH alt-tabbing in Win7, I have switched back to Vista. Yes, its a bit less responsive in regular desktop operations, but game stability is pretty much priority #1 for me.

What issues with FE? I haven't had any..

[Engels]

FE just performed more robustly on Vista 32 than on Win7 64. It could be a specific vid driver issue for my 8800GT card. Or it could be the AV I use. Or a donkey fart in the mekong delta. Who the hell knows. Its hard to determine what it may have been. So, well, Vista 32 was more stable for me and I didn't feel like troubleshooting Win 7.

[Tebonas]

So would Win7 32bit, I presume. Your problem is more a 64bit one than an OS one.

[Salamok]

So will xp mode on on wn7 64bit be like running 64bit XP 

[Strazos]

I've had a difficult time finding problems with Win7 over the last few months.

[Sheepherder]

So will xp mode on on wn7 64bit be like running 64bit XP 

Did people actually make 64 bit apps before Vista?

[Engels]

For scientific purposes, sure. Ansys, MSC Marc/Mentat and Matlab, off the top of my head, have Windows-based 64 bit editions. Not specifically for Vista, but they work on it.

[Sheepherder]

For scientific purposes, sure. Ansys, MSC Marc/Mentat and Matlab, off the top of my head, have Windows-based 64 bit editions. Not specifically for Vista, but they work on it.

Yeah... but the question was whether anyone actually developed for XP64.  Because Salamok appears to be having one of these moments:

"BAD TOUCH! KOR WILL NEVER WEAR THE CLOWN SUIT AGAIN!"

[Salamok]

For scientific purposes, sure. Ansys, MSC Marc/Mentat and Matlab, off the top of my head, have Windows-based 64 bit editions. Not specifically for Vista, but they work on it.

Yeah... but the question was whether anyone actually developed for XP64.  Because Salamok appears to be having one of these moments:

"BAD TOUCH! KOR WILL NEVER WEAR THE CLOWN SUIT AGAIN!"

Not sure what moment you are thrusting on me:

- Fact xp 64bit edition exists and it sucks balls.

- Fact windows 7 pro has an xp mode.


Legitimate question: If I am running w7 pro 64 bit what can I expect out of xp mode?

[Engels]

It seems pretty plug and play. I am toying with running a Linux distro off of Windows 7 Virtual PC, but I'm too lazy today to download the Linux ISO I would have to mount. I will wait for a different lazy Sunday to do it. One thing I did notice is that my 64 bit ubuntu did not want to install on the Virtual Machine, complaining that the machine was x86. I don't know enough about it, but that may just be the limitation of the MS virtual machine only doing 32 bit.  I imagine that XP 32 runs just fine.

[caladein]

Legitimate question: If I am running w7 pro 64 bit what can I expect out of xp mode?

32-bit XP, at least that's what Google and my RC version of XP Mode say (running 7 RC 64-bit).

[Salamok]

Legitimate question: If I am running w7 pro 64 bit what can I expect out of xp mode?

32-bit XP, at least that's what Google and my RC version of XP Mode say (running 7 RC 64-bit).

awesome thanks my mind is now at ease.

[Sheepherder]

awesome thanks my mind is now at ease.

The quote was from WUA's radicalthon.  I'm implying that XP64 touched you in a bad way.

But yeah, it would be senseless for Microsoft to pack a 64 bit OS VM in their 64 bit OS.

[Soln]

I ran the Win7 Upgrade Advisor -- what does it mean you think when they say "this device isn't compatible with Windows 7"?

a) needs new drivers? or
b) firmware and thus hardware incompatible?

it's for an oldish soundcard BTW (creative SB Live!)

[Big Gulp]

it's for an oldish soundcard BTW (creative SB Live!)

Throw it in the trash and just use your onboard sound?

[Sheepherder]

http://nerdfortress.com/2009/06/06/no-sound-get-sound-blaster-live-and-windows-7-to-play-nice/

Or get a new card.  SB Live! isn't simply old, it's ancient.

[JWIV]

One longstanding issue that still isn't fully resolved - There's a nice little SATA bug in which a random disk gets set to readonly when the machine reboots.   The fix is apparently updated SATA drivers.  Which means I may be screwed here since ULI got bought and immediately shelved by NVidia.

[fuser]

Yay my party box came today. Ultimate 64/32bit the box which is sweet. Also got an email about Norton Internet Security for hosts www.norton.com/nis4hosts where you can get a free edition of 2010. I don't know if the correlate the email addresses yet so who knows, might be a free copy.

[Delmania]

Everyone's saying the Security Essentials is going to be the bomb and maybe even put Norton et. al. out of business. I'll believe it when I see it. I know, so far it has pretty good results, but a good AV stands the test of time. I also am amused that somehow Microsoft Security Essentials saves the day...as long as you don't use Microsoft's browser...

I'm curious about the performance of Security Essentials.  Currently, I use Avira, and while being nice, it's really expensive.  I am hoping that using Security Essentials along with some common sense will be enough to shield my machine. Anyone have experience or input?

[KallDrexx]

Arstechnica has written some articles, both describing how MSE works with little memory footprint and CPU usage (they could use their computer perfectly fine while performing a full system scan without much (if any) slowdowns) as well as the good results from scanning (Apparently MSE even looks inside VBScript code to identify virus-like behavior).

[tgr]

Not sure what moment you are thrusting on me:

- Fact xp 64bit edition exists and it sucks balls.

Oh really?

Only suckage I've ever had with XP64, has been while I had an ATI card, which would randomly bluescreen whenever I alt-tabbed in and out of games 3+ times. Everything else has Just Worked, and has been stable. So in which manner does it "suck balls"?


Having said all that though, I am very on the fence whether or not to upgrade to Win7. The only "major" reason I'm not upgrading yet is I'm not a fan of the DRM they've put in the core, but it's looking more and more like it's a very very thin reason not to. I may have to cave in.

It's not like I ever use the media player anyways. Yay alternatives.