Glee

[Slyfeind]

I actually liked the Yentl bit. We got to see Rachel not be a complete bitch for a couple minutes.

(Disclaimer: I loves me some showtunes (no homo).)

[Samwise]

BTW, is it me or has Kurt gone from being mostly likable to asshole over the course of the series?  I felt like he really took a plunge in the episode where he schemed and plotted to get Finn sleeping in his room, and during this episode he was just pretty much a dick to everyone (including his dad at the beginning of the episode, so he doesn't get to use the "going through a rough time" excuse for that one).

[K9]

I think it comes and goes; it seems like pretty much all the other kids at school treat him like shit because he's gay, and Glee is the only place where he is accepted for who he is. I'm not sure he was ever that sweet, he always seemed to have a bit of an (understandable) edge. Frankly I think he's one of the most convincing characters in the show, he's flawed but not in an overly exaggerated way, unlike Rachel or Santana. I'd agree with you that the only part of him that I didn't find convincing was the whole "get Finn to love me" plot or whatever the fuck that was, that made fuckall sense.

What's getting me is the whole "hey here's two new interesting characters!" oh wait "yoink, they're gone". I don't get wht they're doing there, but some new blood would have been nice I think.

I have to say, I think this episode and the earlier one with Kurt and his Father have been some of the best episodes the show has done.

[Slyfeind]

I don't think any of the characters are meant to be that likable. They need to have their asshole sides, or it becomes High School Musical.

I can understand Kurt not wanting others' prayers. I just started injecting myself with Cimzia for my Crohn's, and all of a sudden everybody was all "Hang on, you are in my prayers, get well soon," whatever the fuck. I fucking hate pity, and I especially hate people dumping their Gods on me. I manage to say "Thank you" and just grit my teeth through it, but I'm getting near 40 now. Kurt's just a kid. If he didn't act out occasionally, I wouldn't believe him human at all.

[Tebonas]

The only real bad thing about Kurts characterization was the Finn stalking fiasko, and only insofar as it was presented by the writers as the ok thing to do.

He is kind of a snippy bitch, but in a believable way for a teenage boy and not in an exaggerated "TV gay" way.

[Slyfeind]

Interesting, I didn't get that at all. To me it was more like "Hey kids, this is what to do if you want to alienate your straight friends."

[Slyfeind]

And as if on cue, last night we got a sympathetic look on both sides of that particular coin. I'm not too cool with the way Kurt's dad handled the conversation, but it was believable. I like how they still keep shit real between each other, even though Burt just got out of the hospital. Burt doesn't baby his son, so Kurt sure ain't gonna baby his dad.

Sad. Meatball. :(

[Draegan]

They were tired of scissoring.   

[Samwise]

Sad. Meatball. :(

Agree.  Stupid Artie.

[Slyfeind]

They were tired of scissoring.  

Hawt! I like it when they actually address their sex life instead of just making it some kind of joke. Not only does it keep the characters honest, but it is also hawt.

WTF IS THAT CREEPY AVATAR SAMWISE   (also agreed re: stupid Artie.)

[Samwise]

WTF IS THAT CREEPY AVATAR SAMWISE  

You asked for it.

[Slyfeind]

WTF IS THAT CREEPY AVATAR SAMWISE  

You asked for it.

Nooooooooooooooo /vader 

[Evildrider]

WTF IS THAT CREEPY AVATAR SAMWISE  

You asked for it.

NSFW but much better vid!

[K9]

I really liked the duets; Tina and Mike were a lot of fun, Kurt was great and Mercedes and Santana were also really good. It was a bit too obvious for comfort that Quinn was lip-synching in hers, but it was forgivable.

What was the deal with Rachel and Finn's duet; I understand that it pissed all the others off, but I don't know the song, nor the context. Also frankly I think they missed a trick by not doing Springtime for Hitler  

Sad. Meatball. :(

Agree.  Stupid Artie.

And as if on cue, last night we got a sympathetic look on both sides of that particular coin. I'm not too cool with the way Kurt's dad handled the conversation, but it was believable. I like how they still keep shit real between each other, even though Burt just got out of the hospital. Burt doesn't baby his son, so Kurt sure ain't gonna baby his dad.

I thought he handled it fairly well to be honest, but otherwise I agree with you. Overall I like this episode, the series is starting to grow some legs, and I'm pleased with how they're handling the chanracters. I'm still curious about the other Asian girl, and wtf is up with Puck.

edit: Also

"The Clintons?" 

Every week a winner.

[Slyfeind]

What was the deal with Rachel and Finn's duet; I understand that it pissed all the others off, but I don't know the song, nor the context. Also frankly I think they missed a trick by not doing Springtime for Hitler  

A lot of people missed that, myself included. Apparently she was supposed to be a Catholic school girl, and the song was about having sex or something. Everybody I know thought she was dressed as a nun, and didn't understand the song. Even so, given the World of Glee, it was small potatoes compared to the Britney Spears Sex Riot, marijuana brownies, and kicking old ladies down stairs.

[Samwise]

Tonight's episode... 

Just pure awesome.  Especially the cameo by Brad and Eddie.  And "Toucha Toucha".

[Slyfeind]

Heh! Barry Bostwick and Meatloaf. I can't stand Rocky Horror, but they made it awesome. And I love it when Sue is right. And by love it I mean I hate it. But by that I mean I love it.

[K9]

Fun episode

[K9]

[Surlyboi]

That was better Katy Perry than Katy Perry.

Seriously, I'd love to see her naked, but if she never sang again, I'd be ok with it.

[voodoolily]

I called the meatheads being closet Muscle Marys like, two episodes into season 1. 

[Draegan]

To me, Glee seems to be getting more and more serious and a bit over the time with "sending a message" with each episode.  I'd like to get back to lighthearted fun and jokes that you're not sure should be on a primetime network show.

[Surlyboi]

I called the meatheads being closet Muscle Marys like, two episodes into season 1. 

Well yeah, it was kinda obvious at least one of 'em would be.

I'm still kinda hoping Kurt and *cough* Blaine (really? that was the best they could come up with for a private school kid?) hook up, just so he can stop being a whiny little bitch.

Also, Artie and Puck as a team is badass.

[Slyfeind]

Just caught it last night. That was seriously the most gay and the least gay episode they've done yet. At the same time! Amazing. I can just see them going "Dude, an entire boy's school singing to Kurt? Too gay! We need Lea Michele in tight leather STAT!"

I liked how the white gay bully (tried to google the character's name but the Internet is currently awash with tons of articles going "OMG GLEE DO NOT UNDERSTAND GAYS" for some stupid fucking reason) is still a bully and didn't get transformed overnight into an understanding nice guy. I don't know who Kurt will end up with now! Who can say! Hmmmm! Heh, the producers have said several times that Kurt will hook up with a member of the football team, or a new kid, or a rival kid, or even someone from Vocal Adrenaline.

And I'm kinda missing Rachel and/or Finn episodes. It's been nice focusing on the others for a while, but eh.

Oh and btw, it may be interesting to note the actor playing White-gay-bully is actually a decent singer, and was even in a Glee club back in high school. WILL HE JOIN GLEE???

[Slyfeind]

Here's the "omg glee is bad gay advice" thing I mentioned earlier:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-anthony-libresco/glees-gay-suicide-psa-it_b_781815.html

The writer of that article seems to think that everybody involved in the bullying handled it poorly. Given the outcome of the episode, I think that was the point.

[voodoolily]

I liked how the white gay bully (tried to google the character's name but the Internet is currently awash with tons of articles going "OMG GLEE DO NOT UNDERSTAND GAYS" for some stupid fucking reason) is still a bully and didn't get transformed overnight into an understanding nice guy. I don't know who Kurt will end up with now! Who can say! Hmmmm! Heh, the producers have said several times that Kurt will hook up with a member of the football team, or a new kid, or a rival kid, or even someone from Vocal Adrenaline.

The gay bully sexually assaulted Kurt. I hope Kurt doesn't go all Stockholm Syndrome on that shit, but I also don't want to watch the downer of Glee exploring sexual assault-as-episode fodder.

[Slyfeind]

Yeah that kinda creeped me out. I was spoiled on the bully's gayness before I saw the episode, so I went past that "OMG" moment and went straight to the "Ewww."

Hopefully they'll make light of it. Strange thing to hope for, but they've made it work before. (q.v. the original Glee teacher in episode 1)

[Mrbloodworth]

Here's the "omg glee is bad gay advice" thing I mentioned earlier:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-anthony-libresco/glees-gay-suicide-psa-it_b_781815.html

The writer of that article seems to think that everybody involved in the bullying handled it poorly. Given the outcome of the episode, I think that was the point.

I personally think the writer of this article lives in lala land. I make no destruction in who is being bullied. But FFS grow some. Does it matter that is a gay person, or a nerd, or some fat girl? Being bullied is being bullied. Confront that shit, you may get an ass whopping. But thinking someone is always going to be there to save in the real world is absolutely ludicrous. I speak from experience, being a "Victim (*sigh*)* of bulling myself.

The gay bully sexually assaulted Kurt.

Sweet mother of god! Really? Wow.... Really? That's really what you want to classify it as? REALLY?

I was cheering the entire time Kurt decided to confront.

[voodoolily]

The gay bully sexually assaulted Kurt.

Sweet mother of god! Really? Wow.... Really? That's really what you want to classify it as? REALLY?

I was cheering the entire time Kurt decided to confront.

Kinda, yeah. If it had been a girl instead of Kurt, with some big dude using physical force to intimidate and restrain her and then planted a weird, intense kiss, what would you call that? I didn't say 'rape', but this was definitely assault.

[Mrbloodworth]

More like an act of confused desperation. Even Kurt knew that.

For reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEVn8xpyLS4

I see a dude in a moment of frustration go for it, and get rejected. (he goes in for a second time) Blane had it right, "Hes not coming out anytime soon".

[voodoolily]

Ehhhh....

Okay, he wasn't being malevolent in his intentions, but it was still a pretty fucked-up situation. People commit all kinds of crimes in a moment of desperation or frustration ("passion").

[Mrbloodworth]

I think he was a bit upset that Kurt said "Your not my type".

Are you telling me you have never liked someone, and when they told you something like that, you didn't just go for it? Perhaps in the vain hope of changing there mind, fireworks and all that?

[voodoolily]

Well, first off, I'm a woman, so I've never been at the physical size advantage with anyone that I've put a "move" on. Second, since I'm a woman I've never really had a guy say "no thanks" until much too late. 

There's a difference between the lean-in and a full-on head-grab. And it was in the middle of a very violent situation! How can you not see that Kurt was terrified of this jock? The kiss was a surprise, but it doesn't remove the violence from the situation, not one whit.

[Mrbloodworth]

Eh, when I watched it, I saw Kurt shocked at the kiss, then completely shocked about being privy to  the secret "jock guy" just exposed, likely a bunch of pity for him. Hence why Kurt got that Blane dude to go talk to him..

[Slyfeind]

Yeah I didn't see "going for it". I just saw outright assault. But I can imagine Kurt forgiving him for it, because it wasn't really horrible assault. Just the kissing version of pushing against the lockers.