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Arthur_Parker
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Reply #105 on: September 03, 2009, 04:38:17 AM

I don't see any reason to assume the population is going to level off, too much of the fun relies on other people being present.  That applies if there's 40 servers or 4, without cross server scenarios or some method of forcing each server to have a login queue to instantly replace those players logging off, I don't see how they can break this cycle of server closures.  They might survive when they reach one server in each region for months, but I don't think they can support two, active players will just more to the more popular one.
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Reply #106 on: September 05, 2009, 02:05:13 PM

vn boards again about GOA

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Last workday for the German WH:O Head of Community Management "Sterntaler" - 11th of september, 09
Last workday for WH:O CM "Hadi" - 18th of september, 09


On a longer side note, there are several sources (through fansite-admins and volunteers based on ex-CMs' statements and a post in a closed volunteer forums) that DAoC EU will be shut down at the end of the year.

Short summary of the post:
- DAoC is dead
- effort isn't viable for GOA anymore
- 1.96 unlikely, probably no server-end-event
- 1 CM already left and another one will very soon (or is already gone, since I don't know when exactly it was posted), the person writing this will be gone soon too
- no support anymore (not even for stuck or quests), no person for the players to speak to, Frenchs don't want to deal with the German volunteers
- Quote of his boss: "We are not contractually obliged to provide support for Dark Age in Dublin!" (they relocated much of GOA to Dublin, as French legislations made 24/7 support impossible), so it seems management didn't get any better in Dublin without the French.
- he advises everyone who wants to continue to play DAoC to get an account from Mythic

Bolded for comedy, no idea if it's all accurate but the parts about Sterntaler & Hadi seem to be.
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Reply #107 on: September 05, 2009, 07:18:29 PM

When I logged on tonight there were 8 US servers, 3 with Low/Low pops and 5 with Med/Med pops.  I know for a fact that two of the med/med's (Dark Crag and Volkmar) are going to lose a ton of people to AION in a few weeks.  So its looking like 3 or 4 US servers might be left standing by the end of October.

Also out of all the remaining servers, all but one have big "who's going to AION" discussions with guild lists so it looks like War may take a huge hit real soon.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2009, 07:50:41 PM by waylander »

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Reply #108 on: September 05, 2009, 09:17:21 PM

With Med/Med is the population density high enough for good RvR still?
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Reply #109 on: September 07, 2009, 01:11:56 AM

UO is still running. If they think there's will be still be enough people playing WAR after they fire all but a skeleton crew I don't see why EA wouldn't keep it running indefinitely.

I get the feeling that they can write WAR off as a massive loss for the Taxman. So they probably will.

I should open up my boxes and play it for the included month when I go on holidays in December! Or in 2 weeks! I was holding off "for 6 months" so I could play the improved, patched up game since all MMOs are a mess when they start. Go me!  why so serious?

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Reply #110 on: September 07, 2009, 07:36:01 AM


Bolded for comedy, no idea if it's all accurate but the parts about Sterntaler & Hadi seem to be.

Sterntaler and Hadi confirmed their departure officially on GOA Forum. There is one CM left for Germany now.
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Reply #111 on: September 07, 2009, 09:56:52 AM

With Med/Med is the population density high enough for good RvR still?


Sometimes it is yes.  Generally though the med/med servers have slow scenario pops, and you need those to cap zones unless you like sitting around for 2 hours watching the domination timer count down. I would imagine that if they had cross server scenarios in the game from launch day, there would still be double the amount of servers they have right now.

My sub runs out on Sept 13th.  The T4 end game is still bad until fortresses are gone, scenarios are too infrequent, and we all know how terrible and boring the PVE is and it hasn't gotten better.

I predict there will be between 2-3 servers (US) at med/med by December.

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Reply #112 on: September 09, 2009, 10:19:58 AM

With Med/Med is the population density high enough for good RvR still?


Sometimes it is yes.  Generally though the med/med servers have slow scenario pops, and you need those to cap zones unless you like sitting around for 2 hours watching the domination timer count down. I would imagine that if they had cross server scenarios in the game from launch day, there would still be double the amount of servers they have right now.

My sub runs out on Sept 13th.  The T4 end game is still bad until fortresses are gone, scenarios are too infrequent, and we all know how terrible and boring the PVE is and it hasn't gotten better.

I predict there will be between 2-3 servers (US) at med/med by December.

Haha 3 servers by Xmas was my prediction as well.  Yes PvP sucks on med/med servers sometimes, especially during the day when 0 scenarios pop until about 2-3pm and dont pop well until prime time.  Since you cant get scenarios RvR can be found but you often have to go look for it.  Cross server scenarios definitely would of made an improvement but c'est la vie.  Forts still block the city instances and on most servers when a pairing flips to Fort no one bothers to go(GG single ramp bottleneck).  On my server Gorfang, Order has been to IC once in 5 months, Destro has been to Altdorf once in 4 months.  My sub is done this month as well. 
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Reply #113 on: September 09, 2009, 12:42:35 PM

Been playing a year -- same group of 5 friends, once a week, 4-6 hours a week. Am just about to hit 40 with my main (DoK on Volkmar). It's still fun but the trip from 32-40 has had some harsh lessons -- namely, you're fairly useless in PvP post-31 until you hit 40 and get some gear. I whined about it on the WAR forums and got some decent advice:

- installed the SoR (State of the Realms) add-on -- shows accurate real-time status of ORvR conflicts -- made finding fights much easier
- go to zones that are about to flip, help out and when it does flip and get some decent RP

Won't say it hasn't been without its frustrations, but spreading out the trip to 40 over the course of a year made the highs not so high and the lows not so low.

Just upgraded my desktop system as well, and the whole game looks amazing and runs smoothly, even in larger battles. Again, doesn't mean the game is now 'great', but it's still enjoyable.

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Reply #114 on: September 10, 2009, 01:27:52 AM

I just cancelled my account after I noticed I haven't logged in for few days. I made it to 38. The end game gets pretty repetitive after a while. I really hate the "you are disabled" shit. Also, 31-39 sucks ass when everyone else can just roflstomp you because of gear and what not. People have trinkets that give you a shield that absorbs two thirds of my own HP pool.

Also, as a casual player I really dislike the fact that premades and PUGs are matched against eachother in scenarios. I think WoW preventing twinks from playing against "normal" people is a step in the right direction. I'm sure some game will eventually not allow premades vs PUGs.
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Reply #115 on: September 10, 2009, 02:20:41 AM

Eventually being 10 years from now right  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #116 on: September 10, 2009, 06:10:48 AM

People have trinkets that give you a shield that absorbs two thirds of my own HP pool.



In continuation of their Dev stupidity they did this when they launched LOTD.  They have 2 trinkets that make no sense to me, one is the one you mentioned that absorbs about 4000 melee dmg. not caster damage...melee damage only.  The other is a 15 second trinket that cause an opponent to not be able to block, parry or dodge your attacks.  Then they put in pocket items liek a watch that increases run speed by 40% for 20 seconds, cant use it in combat *boggle*
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Reply #117 on: September 10, 2009, 08:56:52 AM


 I think WoW preventing twinks from playing against "normal" people is a step in the right direction.

Off-topic, but is this true? I haven't played WoW in about a year, but I hadn't heard that they did something to limit this.

Have you tried the internet? It's made out of millions of people missing the point of everything and then getting angry about it
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Reply #118 on: September 10, 2009, 09:15:24 AM


 I think WoW preventing twinks from playing against "normal" people is a step in the right direction.

Off-topic, but is this true? I haven't played WoW in about a year, but I hadn't heard that they did something to limit this.

I haven't played in a few months, but as I understand it when they added XP to the battlegrounds they also gave people the option to turn it off (twinks).  People with xp on can only play other people with xp.  People with xp turned off can only play against people with it turned off.  Wouldn't really work in WAR since there's not enough players.
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Reply #119 on: September 10, 2009, 09:27:55 AM


 I think WoW preventing twinks from playing against "normal" people is a step in the right direction.

Off-topic, but is this true? I haven't played WoW in about a year, but I hadn't heard that they did something to limit this.


Yeah, the difference now is that non-twinks/new players are going up against people in full BoA's that are as devastating as twinks were. I actually found that funny, same thing is happening only with different people and a marginally better reward for the winning side. The exp in pvp after a 20min warsong is about equal to 2-4 minutes of killing mobs.

I also hadn't played WoW for well over a year and reactivated recently, that lasted about 3 days. The changes they made are some good ones in that aspect, but still no where near worth reactivating for.
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Reply #120 on: September 10, 2009, 10:19:52 AM

Find it hard to get excited about making a twink, shutting off xp gain so I can maintain a bracket at max level and do the same ole scenarios 5 years straight. 
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Reply #121 on: September 10, 2009, 12:04:27 PM

Find it hard to get excited about making a twink, shutting off xp gain so I can maintain a bracket at max level and do the same ole scenarios 5 years straight. 

Like staying in high school to be the smartest kid in class?

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Reply #122 on: September 10, 2009, 12:08:44 PM

Let's be honest here.  Staying in a BG with the best gear in any MMO with a PvP component isn't all that different than playing at the level cap with the best gear.  It's just easier to do at the lower levels. 

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Reply #123 on: September 10, 2009, 12:10:49 PM

I've had some twinks, it really is looked down on much more then it deserves imo. They keep a pretty decent community (19's excluded, that's just a cesspit), don't have to go chasing for new "omawdepiczlawls" ever few months, and there's no complaints of "I lost because you have better gear." If I didn't have RL friends that kept me in end game, I probably would have just kept twinking more then I did since, really, it was a lot more of an enjoyable experience and less of a second job then end game.

Although if WAR did this for t1, that actually might be enjoyable. Then again, why bother with a sub when a free trial is, well, free and gives access to play the only fun part of WAR.


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Let's be honest here.  Staying in a BG with the best gear in any MMO with a PvP component isn't all that different than playing at the level cap with the best gear.  It's just easier to do at the lower levels.  

^This. Very rarely does gear need updating, it's just login and pvp. A twink can be completed in a few hours.
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Reply #124 on: September 10, 2009, 10:11:13 PM


Twinks was just about being able to crush people levelling up who thought trying PvP might be a bit of fun.

As soon as they are put in an environment where they can't fight with a massive gear advantage most of them will quit. Which is of course the whole point of blizzards change. Combine that with some XP gain and actually playing some PvP games while you are levelling is makes some sense now. Brilliant change really.

I doubt the BoA gear is close to the twink stuff but I haven't really checked. The only thing I'd really use would be the two +10% experience items, there's enough cheap gear in the AH for everything else.

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Reply #125 on: September 11, 2009, 12:26:51 AM

I doubt the BoA gear is close to the twink stuff but I haven't really checked. The only thing I'd really use would be the two +10% experience items, there's enough cheap gear in the AH for everything else.
I recently saw a lvl 18 rogue with a full set of heirlooms (BoA). Shoulders, Chest and 2 daggers with enchants. Ouch.

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Reply #126 on: September 11, 2009, 02:11:04 AM


The daggers are nothing special though..

17-33 damage
15.0 dps
+2 Agility
+8 AP
+1 Hit

and only take enchants that can be applied to a level 1 weapon. The weapon you can earn with just by playing WSG is

18 - 34 Damage   Speed 1.70
(15.3 damage per second)
+4 Agility
+2 Stamina

or you could escort your twink into, or group for, a dungeon and get a blue drop about the same.

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Reply #127 on: September 11, 2009, 07:45:54 AM

I always like the level 19 BGs.  I never twinked and never felt that outmatched.  The way Blizzard is doing it now is much better though. 
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Reply #128 on: September 11, 2009, 10:02:48 AM


Twinks was just about being able to crush people levelling up who thought trying PvP might be a bit of fun.

As soon as they are put in an environment where they can't fight with a massive gear advantage most of them will quit. Which is of course the whole point of blizzards change. Combine that with some XP gain and actually playing some PvP games while you are levelling is makes some sense now. Brilliant change really.


I doubt the BoA gear is close to the twink stuff but I haven't really checked. The only thing I'd really use would be the two +10% experience items, there's enough cheap gear in the AH for everything else.


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Reply #129 on: September 11, 2009, 04:39:30 PM

Only the BoA weapons are comparable to the old twink stuff. The armor pieces aren't really anything to write home about stat wise.


Before the twink changes, I used to run into 19's with 2k HP. They weren't spending all that time and effort to have a 'even' playing field.

and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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Reply #130 on: September 11, 2009, 07:15:16 PM

FIFY

I'm sure you feel you added a lot.

They reduced the issue with enchants by putting level limits on most of them.

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Reply #131 on: September 11, 2009, 10:31:57 PM

Den this if it has already been posted.

It looks like Karak-Eight Peaks, which I believe was a destination server (like..just days ago?) for the Italian and Spanish server transfers, is now being opened for transfers to other servers:

http://forums.war-europe.com/warhammeronline/board/message?board.id=karakeightpeaksgeneral&thread.id=332&page=4

Karak-Eight Peaks was one of the Head Start servers, and used to be one of the (if not the most) populated of the EU servers, yes?

I think this will bring the total EU servers to 3.

Tick-tock.
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Reply #132 on: September 13, 2009, 11:56:22 PM

Karak-Eight Peaks was one of the Head Start servers, and used to be one of the (if not the most) populated of the EU servers, yes?

I think this will bring the total EU servers to 3.


Ouch =/




For Ford and Kage, if you really want to continue the twink discussion I spoilered responses to it as it is a bit off topic for this thread. Also, it's spoilered since I just got back from a weekend trip and am late to respond to it. It really isn't the discussion I had planned on having, but have no problem doing so.
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Reply #133 on: November 06, 2009, 01:20:23 PM

This is old news, but from what I have read and understand, the remaining oceanic servers have all been shut down as of August 19, 2009. Their populations were merged with some North American servers: Volkmar, Gorfang and Badlands. Apologies if this is mentioned somewhere else in the thread.

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Reply #134 on: November 19, 2009, 07:52:34 AM

Germany after first Server Merge:

Erengrad - Servertransfer in November
Carroburg
Drakenwald
Huss (RP) - Merged in May
Averland (Open RvR) - Merged in July

At least the 3 remaining servers do well in terms of pop/activities

2 servers remaining.

With Eltharion being merged as well, there are 3 English servers left and 2 French.

I don't see any reason to assume the population is going to level off, too much of the fun relies on other people being present.  That applies if there's 40 servers or 4, without cross server scenarios or some method of forcing each server to have a login queue to instantly replace those players logging off, I don't see how they can break this cycle of server closures.  They might survive when they reach one server in each region for months, but I don't think they can support two, active players will just more to the more popular one.

Cross server scenarios are at least a chance to prevent the bleeding of the servers (and can be done without spending too much money for a game in maintenance mode). But to prevent casuals from leaving they need to implement a rating system (like WoW arenas) to prevent premades facerolling PUG's. On my server most casuals stopped playing scenarios.
With severe faction imbalance on most servers open RvR = PvE.
So a casual can do open RvR, which means PvE or do some dungeons, which means...erm...PvE. But WAR is famous for its outstanding PvE....oh wait.

Actually I see the servers dying in a really fast pace. It reminds on the open PvP server for DAoC.




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Reply #135 on: November 19, 2009, 08:11:26 AM

Cross server queues would cost development money to make.  I think it's wasted effort/resources.  It's like saving the titanic from sinking with a pail. 

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Reply #136 on: November 19, 2009, 04:16:54 PM

Cross server queues would cost development money to make.  I think it's wasted effort/resources.  It's like saving the titanic from sinking with a pail. 


But if you bail fast enough it will work out.
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Reply #137 on: November 22, 2009, 11:36:09 AM


I don't really know why UO is still running. Maybe because it was inherited as a legacy game? Something not true of Warhammer.


Everything else aside, nobody wants to go down in history as "That guy who cancelled UO!"



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Reply #138 on: November 22, 2009, 05:31:17 PM


I don't really know why UO is still running. Maybe because it was inherited as a legacy game? Something not true of Warhammer.


Everything else aside, nobody wants to go down in history as "That guy who cancelled UO!"

Who was the guy who cancelled The Sims Online / EA Land?

Or Asheron's Call 2?

Or Tabula Rasa?

No-one gets named for cancelling a MMO - it is just a company decision.

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Reply #139 on: November 23, 2009, 04:03:31 AM

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I don't really know why UO is still running

My guess is its EA/Mythic's largest MMO.

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