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Tbh on tv we didn't see him get outsmarted at all. Sansa just decided to kill him and apparently got Royce on board off screen. As Royce always hated Littlefinger that wasn't very hard I imagine.
Littlefinger's hold over the Vale is based on his control of Robin Arryn and the knights' loyalty to Robin, Royce originally refused to follow Littlefinger until Littlefinger had Arryn threaten Royce. It always seemed ridiculous for tv Littlefinger to have left Robin in the Vale as it opened him up to the utter contempt Royce has always held for Baelish.
We never saw sansa or bran outmaneuver him.
It was a neat scene played well without any of the groundwork or clever plotting that might have made it interesting.
My main emotion was relief that we weren't going to be subjected to another emo-sister sequence.
Apparently there was a scene that got cut but it was the sansa vs arya thing coming to a head only to have bran interject a lot of truth bombs about littlefinger and how he was tied to every terrible thing that has happened. Kinda sad they cut it because bran being useful instead of just weird and cryptic would have been a nice change. I agree. Not only would it really demonstrate Bran's usefulness to both the audience and to the Stark girls, but it would also show how close Littlefinger really came to alienating Sansa from the rest of her family and placing her in his control.
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Random thought: Cersei's little unborn child possibly Cthulu monster kills her during pregnancy"
"You have three kids, all of whom will die. Then the fourth will kill you and be born stillborn, because you are a heinous bitch and also it's ironic because that's why your Mom died and why you hate Tyrion. You lose."
Her current pregnancy is definitely a valonqar so prophecies check out. Also neatly foreshadowed by Joanna's death. I don't buy it though. Book Jamie with the hand's chain of office, in the bedroom. TV Jamie with his golden hand, in the map room.
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eldaec
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Tbh on tv we didn't see him get outsmarted at all. Sansa just decided to kill him and apparently got Royce on board off screen. As Royce always hated Littlefinger that wasn't very hard I imagine.
Littlefinger's hold over the Vale is based on his control of Robin Arryn and the knights' loyalty to Robin, Royce originally refused to follow Littlefinger until Littlefinger had Arryn threaten Royce. It always seemed ridiculous for tv Littlefinger to have left Robin in the Vale as it opened him up to the utter contempt Royce has always held for Baelish.
We never saw sansa or bran outmaneuver him.
It was a neat scene played well without any of the groundwork or clever plotting that might have made it interesting.
My main emotion was relief that we weren't going to be subjected to another emo-sister sequence.
Apparently there was a scene that got cut but it was the sansa vs arya thing coming to a head only to have bran interject a lot of truth bombs about littlefinger and how he was tied to every terrible thing that has happened. Kinda sad they cut it because bran being useful instead of just weird and cryptic would have been a nice change. I agree. Not only would it really demonstrate Bran's usefulness to both the audience and to the Stark girls, but it would also show how close Littlefinger really came to alienating Sansa from the rest of her family and placing her in his control. And would have turned sansa / arya into an arc rather than two daft and contradictory scenes.
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Sir T
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I've said this before, but one of the problems they have right now is that the books don't fill stuff in anymore. Before you could get the backstory of X character from the books and that could fill in the inadequacies of the shows narrative. Conversely the writers could point at the books and get a sense of what scenes should look like, or they could just abridge scenes from the books. That's pretty much easymode writing.
The shortened timeframe they have now is not helping either of course.
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The thing about the books giving us necessary backstory simply isn't true up to the blackwater, and arguably not until the red wedding. They made good decisions on cuts but left plenty of meat on the bones.
If you go back and look at the care taken through to the middle of season 3 it is unrecognisable compared to season 5 through 7.
The thing I Iiked about the last episode this year is how it mostly evoked the early episodes where characters just talk to each other in rooms trying to figure each other out.
You are completely correct that the show writers obviously can't do their jobs well without the books.
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Sir T
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Good points
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If you go back and look at the care taken through to the middle of season 3 it is unrecognisable compared to season 5 through 7.
To be fair, everything after the Red Wedding in the books is mostly shit too.
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To be fair, everything after the Red Wedding in the books is mostly shit too.
Arya saw it, ragequit and moved to Bravos just like half of Twitter.
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I can't argue since A Dance with Dragons was a 1000 page meandering dog turd of a book ending with the cliffhanger of Jon Snow dying. It seemed like the ultimate in lazy plotting to throw a character death in there at the end when everyone knew it was going to be reversed later.
That was five years after the previous book. Here it is five years after that and we are still waiting.
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6 years.
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GRRM has been saying he is hopeful that 1 of WoW or his asoiaf history book will be ready by end of next year.
Would suggest his minimum WoW estimate is up to 7.5 years.
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GRRM has been saying he is hopeful that 1 of WoW or his asoiaf history book will be ready by end of next year.
Would suggest his minimum WoW estimate is up to 7.5 years.
Which means there is zero chance he finishes the last book before he croaks.
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At this point I just relegated his books as fan-fiction. The HBO show is the story.
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If the show was as good as season 1 and 2, or even 3 and 4, I could understand that.
But feast and dance have issues but are nowhere near as silly as seasons 5 and 7 in particular. Season 6 gets a pass because of the final two Sapochnik episodes.
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I submit that the distinct lack of T&A - which has really been trending downward the last several seasons - needs to be addressed going forward.
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Agreed about the severe lack of sexposition.
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Season 8 direction is being split between Nutter (red wedding), Sapochnik (hardhome, sept explosion) and Weiss/Benioff (various bad episodes).
Reasonably good news.
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....... you reference the other episodes for Sapochnik but not Battle of the Bastards?
But yes, generally good news. Hopefully they give all the filler episodes to Weiss/Benioff.
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There's like 7 episodes total, or 6... don't remember. And its still fan fiction.
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Final season delayed to 2019.
I choose the believe this is an elaborate way to troll GRRM who in all likelihood will still not have written any damn books.
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Rewatching some, I'm struck at just how bad a character Tyrion becomes in both the books and the show after he kills his father. This last season especially--just completely stripped of emotional intensity or edges, sometimes sanctimonious. It's a waste of Dinklage.
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Sir T
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Well, what was character he other than the seething resentment and desire for revenge? Once that's gone, what job has he in the story? A creative writer could have done something with that, such as him falling apart once the center of his existence has been fulfilled. Turn him into a morality play about the destructive power of revenge.
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It actually was sort of going that way in the book (and hinted at in the series). He started becoming cripplingly alcoholic and bitter at everything once he was on the run. But that still kind of sucked in the books anyways, so not to bothered they changed him to his current boring form.
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The post-assassination Tyrion in the books was fucking insufferable and useless and had not come back around to doing anything worth a fuck. The TV show version is light years better.
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They're both insufferable. The book Tyrion just mopes and whines on a boat for 1000 pages. The series Tyrion mopes a bit and then becomes a nice sitcom dad trying to manage his teenage daughter-queen. There's no edge at all to him, he's all fake-wisdom that comes from fucking nowhere. Plus he's like I Love Lucy or something, in that the writers perpetually set him up to fail in his advice without any real consequences. Of all the things that I think don't work about the show (and the books) this is the #1 easily. Except maybe the dumb "capture-a-zombie" mission.
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Ygritte married Jon Snow. Like, for real.
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Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic!
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HaemishM
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He still knows nothing.
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I seen her nakid.
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God Damn he is short.
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Nice tux though.
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eldaec
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That is not a tux. As is appropriate for someone not getting married at night.
As one of the least stylish people I know, I feel the urge to stand up for the one fundamental style rule I can get behind - no evening wear in the day time.
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Only being allowed to wear certain clothes at night is a stupid rule. I now feel the need to buy a white tuxedo to wear in the middle of the afternoon after Labor Day.
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Threash
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I wonder if they invited Olly.
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eldaec
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Final season of 'f13 complains about Game of Thrones' starts April 14.
There is a teaser trailer of Starks wearing big coats that I can't be arsed to link.
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