SWTOR

[luckton]

Well, in that same link you gave us earlier they specifically say that TOR isn't designed to appeal to the hardcore. The hardcore guys are the ones all worried about not being able to bypass quest text and voice overs in case it slows down their access to end game raiding.

The prospect of not playing with those people is something I'm somehow able to bear up under.

Agreed, yet another reason why this game appeals to me more and more. 

[Paelos]

Pffft, they'll be there, and they will piss in your cheerios.

I hate to break it to you, but if this game includes grouping together in a large manner to defeat bosses, there will be a place for a bunch of knobs who think it's their god-given duty to rape it the fastest,  declare it boring, and furiously spew per-second calculations while declaring your build obsolete!

[Reg]

Well of course the game will be filled with douchebags. It's still a MMOG so there's no avoiding that.

[Sky]

Hopefully we can keep enough people in BC to do regular casual raiding.

[luckton]

Hopefully we can keep enough people in BC to do regular casual raiding.

One could assume that if dungeons are getting capped at 4 players, the raid content wouldn't be more than, say, 12-16?  And if you could still fill those slots with companions, this might just make WoW 10-mans look like classic 40-man MC runs.

[caladein]

Seems like kind of stupid thing to get into a lather over.

Perhaps for the common man.  The 2% hardcore crowd though, this is pretty devastating, as weapon swapping on-the-fly is one of many min-max tactics used to try and 'sploit encounters and squeeze out every last drop of potential DPS. 

It's also clunky and really not interesting gameplay.

Matching your weapon to a PvE encounter can still happen unless every dungeon is some sort of weird gauntlet that has you stuck in combat from the beginning.  (And unless they go nuts with +Damage to X modifiers, not a terribly useful thing to be able to do anyway.)

This is much more of a PvP thing, but even then, if they're saying "It's pretty much impossible to not have a weapon equipped. You'd have to work for that." then that rules out ever having to swap to or from a gathering "weapon".  That leaves many +Damage to X modifiers which are stupid in their own right and maybe some small gain from not needing to be in your paranoid set the whole time because you could have swapped to it in-combat.

[Lantyssa]

I very rarely switch weapons in combat, but it's still a stupid design decision.

[Fordel]

The only game I ever felt weapon swapping was useful, was DaoC.

Mostly due to how you could pre-load weapons with poisons (not just rogues, anyone could have a rogue load up their weapon for you) or be able to swap from 1h to 2h pretty painlessly on some classes. Really, it was a Shield to 2h swap, not a 1h to 2h thing.


WoW warriors do the shield/2h swap thing too, but only out of pre-reqs for shield wall and shit. I'm not sure if WoW rogues do poison swapping/weapons often anymore. I think it was popular for awhile, then it got macroed into retardedness where the rogues were swapping every other attack or something... then Blizzard broke that somehow.



Either way, this is extremely low on my "game ROOINED/SAVED  " scale.

[Merusk]

It became a necessity to do it on rogues to max dps.  Blizzard broke it by implementing a 1 sec GCD if you swapped weapons in combat, meaning you completely fucked your rotation because that 2 seconds was huge.

[Malakili]

The only game I ever felt weapon swapping was useful, was DaoC.

Mostly due to how you could pre-load weapons with poisons (not just rogues, anyone could have a rogue load up their weapon for you) or be able to swap from 1h to 2h pretty painlessly on some classes. Really, it was a Shield to 2h swap, not a 1h to 2h thing.


WoW warriors do the shield/2h swap thing too, but only out of pre-reqs for shield wall and shit. I'm not sure if WoW rogues do poison swapping/weapons often anymore. I think it was popular for awhile, then it got macroed into retardedness where the rogues were swapping every other attack or something... then Blizzard broke that somehow.



Either way, this is extremely low on my "game ROOINED/SAVED  " scale.

Yeah, Blizzard broke it for rogues in WoW so it isn't viable anymore.

[Megrim]

Its obnoxious, stupid, trivial and short-sighted. Nothing to do with the "hard core", just common usability. I'm playing Rift at the moment as a tankesque class and have on occasion found it necessary to switch from my usual two-hander to a sword & board if I find a boss/elite hits particularly hard.

[SnakeCharmer]

It fits within the framework of the game, I suppose.  I mean, if you look at the advanced classes on the holonet, once you make an Advanced Class decision, it seems that it locks you into one weapon.  I really can't see any reason to angsty about it until more info comes out or play the game.

[WindupAtheist]

It depends entirely upon how the game plays. In UO I routinely carry half a dozen weapons around with another dozen stored in the bank. In WoW I never own more than one weapon at a time.

[Murgos]

Its obnoxious, stupid, trivial and short-sighted. Nothing to do with the "hard core", just common usability. I'm playing Rift at the moment as a tankesque class and have on occasion found it necessary to switch from my usual two-hander to a sword & board if I find a boss/elite hits particularly hard.

Yeah, it's totally necessary for equipping your sword and board.  Wait?  What?

Nice straw man.

[Megrim]

Its obnoxious, stupid, trivial and short-sighted. Nothing to do with the "hard core", just common usability. I'm playing Rift at the moment as a tankesque class and have on occasion found it necessary to switch from my usual two-hander to a sword & board if I find a boss/elite hits particularly hard.

Yeah, it's totally necessary for equipping your sword and board.  Wait?  What?

Nice straw man.

Nice face.

[Sheepherder]

The only game I ever felt weapon swapping was useful, was DaoC.

/equip Barman Shanker
/cast Ambush
/equip Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge

[Murgos]

Nice face.

Aww, he got his feelings hurt when I pointed out his argument made no sense.

[Draegan]

Well this game sucks.  No one buy it.  You can't switch weapons in combat.  Bitches.

[Megrim]

Nice face.

Aww, he got his feelings hurt when I pointed out his argument made no sense.

Keep fighting the good fight.

mod edit: Yah. No.

[Murgos]

Look at how much you care. It's really that important to you that you can equip to/from a sword and shield in the middle of combat?  In a game that purports not to need or want that kind of micromanagement?

[Outlawedprod]

/equip Barman Shanker
/cast Ambush
/equip Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge

Trying to remember the old bug to backstab/ambush with swords.  Was the delay in the weapon type check or the damage range check. I forget if you started with dagger or sword.  Nonetheless it was good times while that bug lasted.

[Megrim]

Look at how much you care. It's really that important to you that you can equip to/from a sword and shield in the middle of combat?  In a game that purports not to need or want that kind of micromanagement?

Yea, but why are you mad though?

[Murgos]

Yea, but why are you mad though?

?  I'm not the one making personal attacks.

[Megrim]

Yea, but why are you mad though?

?  I'm not the one making personal attacks.

Yea, but why are you mad though?

[luckton]

Yea, but why are you mad though?

?  I'm not the one making personal attacks.

Yea, but why are you mad though?

Seems like kind of stupid thing to get into a lather over.

[Rasix]

Behave.  Or I'll turn the car around.  I don't care if we're halfway to Disneyland.

[Shatter]

Well this game sucks.  No one buy it.  You can't switch weapons in combat.  Bitches.

I DONT NEED TO SWITCH WEAPONS ILL HAVE DUAL LIGHTSABERS BEATCH!!

[Megrim]

Behave.  Or I'll turn the car around.  I don't care if we're halfway to Disneyland.

Oh come on, they were about to start writing long argumentative posts about how I was launching "ad hominem" attacks.

 * edit:

It fits within the framework of the game, I suppose.  I mean, if you look at the advanced classes on the holonet, once you make an Advanced Class decision, it seems that it locks you into one weapon.  I really can't see any reason to angsty about it until more info comes out or play the game.

To be a little more on topic - it becomes an issue of overall game perception. Why not leave such a trivial little thing in the game? It's like when they announced, what was it, no swimming? Ok, trivial complaint on the whole, but if you're going to voice-act the whole game and sink so much production value into it, it seems really, bizzare, to then leave out something which is actually featured in the movies.

[luckton]

To be a little more on topic - it becomes an issue of overall game perception. Why not leave such a trivial little thing in the game? It's like when they announced, what was it, no swimming? Ok, trivial complaint on the whole, but if you're going to voice-act the whole game and sink so much production value into it, it seems really, bizzare, to then leave out something which is actually featured in the movies.

*redacted*

[Megrim]

To be a little more on topic - it becomes an issue of overall game perception. Why not leave such a trivial little thing in the game? It's like when they announced, what was it, no swimming? Ok, trivial complaint on the whole, but if you're going to voice-act the whole game and sink so much production value into it, it seems really, bizzare, to then leave out something which is actually featured in the movies.

Remind me again when Obi-Wan whips out his blaster mid-fight with Vader on the Death Star and pistol-whips him? 

You're fucking thick, aren't you?

[luckton]

To be a little more on topic - it becomes an issue of overall game perception. Why not leave such a trivial little thing in the game? It's like when they announced, what was it, no swimming? Ok, trivial complaint on the whole, but if you're going to voice-act the whole game and sink so much production value into it, it seems really, bizzare, to then leave out something which is actually featured in the movies.

*said something stupid*

You're fucking thick, aren't you?

Yup.  Mea culpa.

TBH, would you really miss swimming?

[Megrim]

 

[Lakov_Sanite]

U mad bro?

[luckton]

Seriously, they swam in, what, episode 1?  For all of 2 minutes?  This is what you want?

[Paelos]

I'm going to be mad when I can't equip my Star Wars sword and shield.

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