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Cyrrex
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on: July 17, 2008, 06:01:01 AM

I'd like this to be "The MMA Thread", but I'm unsure of the potential popularity around here - I guess MMA has a reputation for being a sport for white trash/rednecks.  I don't agree, because I love it. Maybe I actually AM white trash, and am wholly unaware of it.

Anywho, two really interesting fights this weekend.  Anderson Silva moving up a weight class and fighting a guy who should give him more of a battle than the average tomato can.  The return of Fedor, fighting a former UFC heavyweight champ.  Also, Rampage goes on a rampage and gets his ass arrested.  Bitter over his loss?

Feel free to ignore.  Or discuss.

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Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 06:08:49 AM

MMA for rednecks? I thought that was WWE awesome, for real

I used to watch a lot of it back when it was first starting out here (i.e. back when Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock were doing UFC). Don't watch so much anymore.
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Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 06:10:33 AM

That was when I originally got into it to.  When they went underground, I wasn't really following it.  Quite a different sport today, but I still enjoy watching some of the older fights from the Gracie/Shamrock era.

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Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 07:29:43 AM

My buddy and I used to rent all the old tapes and watch the PPVs religiously. Now that they have a new event every month or so, that has fallen off. Of course, with the addition of 2 wives, 2 kids (and another on the way), 2 mortgages, etc, we have neither the time nor the funds to watch all of them. I catch one or two a year now. I can barely follow who is who these days, but I still appreciate a good fight.

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Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 07:43:23 AM

You had me going... I thought this was a thread on B12 deficiency. 

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Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 07:56:04 AM

MMA is great. Looking forward to Fedor entering the US to see how he will do against UFC. Fedor physically and technically is and should be above any of the current UFC fighters, some of the old ones in their top days could give him a heavy go, Randy Couture in his prime days in a grappling fight would be awesome to see. Also I want a Cro Cop VS Fedor rematch, that would be great.

Rampage got his ass handed last time, I admit I was hoping he was winnar, but towards the end the other guy I don't even know the name of was better.

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Reply #6 on: July 17, 2008, 08:54:34 AM

He got his ass handed to him by cops yesterday too.

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Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008, 08:59:10 AM

I, too, used to watch more in the Gracie days. There's been some great fighters since (Bas, Wanderlei, Sakuraba, Vitor), but even those guys are getting old now. My friend still watches a lot, so when he checks it out, I sit for awhile. The lightweights seems to be a lot more exciting than anything else these days.
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Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008, 09:04:23 AM

I, too, used to watch more in the Gracie days. There's been some great fighters since (Bas, Wanderlei, Sakuraba, Vitor), but even those guys are getting old now. My friend still watches a lot, so when he checks it out, I sit for awhile. The lightweights seems to be a lot more exciting than anything else these days.

The lightweights are great. Due to the phsyical difference compared to heavyweight, the fights are faster, dancy and there is more moving invovled and tricks no heavyweighter can pull off. BJ Penn is great in this division.

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Reply #9 on: July 17, 2008, 09:19:07 AM

Yep, I've always been a fan of footwork (dancy, as you said). Octagons are pretty small though, so I can't really expect a big guy moving around like Ali in there too much. What it revolves around is a hockey fight, and then slow submission (which was cool to see at first). Other leagues (mostly foreign) have full rings, and it's a hell of a lot better, I think. They're just not broadcast in the States very often.
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Reply #10 on: July 17, 2008, 09:34:58 AM

The lighter weight classes are awesome, but the heavier ones can be as well.  The light-heavyweights tend to get the most press, and for good reason (usually).

Stray - if you are thinking of Pride, they went throught some financial troubles, got bought up by the UFC and were subsequently closed down for good.  Not sure what other leagues you might be thinking of...

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Reply #11 on: July 17, 2008, 09:47:05 AM

Pride, Pancrase, and Euro and South American leagues. Some of the same fighters that dominate UFC also dominate in those areas, so I guess it's not making a huge difference, but it's cooler to see fighters on their feet more (and to see more styles able to be expressed... hell, even Capoeira gets a fighting chance).
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Reply #12 on: July 17, 2008, 10:12:34 AM

The lighter weight classes are awesome, but the heavier ones can be as well.  The light-heavyweights tend to get the most press, and for good reason (usually).

Stray - if you are thinking of Pride, they went throught some financial troubles, got bought up by the UFC and were subsequently closed down for good.  Not sure what other leagues you might be thinking of...

Pride = Yakukza run. Once this became open public knowledge, the TV station pulled it from their schedule, and the other sponsors left too.
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Reply #13 on: July 17, 2008, 10:51:41 AM

Yep, that's what I'd read too.

I like a healthy mix of the stand-up and the grappling.  UFC has a better mix of it these days, but yeah, I like to watch some of the old Pride and even K-1 stuff.

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Reply #14 on: July 17, 2008, 01:42:23 PM

I miss the old school stuff with no weight classes, and fights between single discipline guys. It was really interesting to see the contrast in styles. Now everyone is trained in multiple disciplines at it is far more boring imo.

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Reply #15 on: July 17, 2008, 02:24:41 PM

Oh yeah. I remember the first ever UFC fight. A skinny Dutch Savate guy vs..... a SUMO. Everyone was scared for the smaller dude. No guards, no mouthpieces, etc..

And then this happened, and I was hooked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXreAYwJCQ
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Reply #16 on: July 17, 2008, 02:54:40 PM

One of my favorite moments was Don Frey knocking out a guy that was about 250 pounds heavier and close to a foot taller than him. The big guy was a late replacement in the fight IIRC, so he was probably just some local drunk they drug in off a bar stool (AKA the Tank Abbott school of fighting). Nevertheless, it was impressive.

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Reply #17 on: July 17, 2008, 03:57:03 PM

The lightweights are great. Due to the phsyical difference compared to heavyweight, the fights are faster, dancy and there is more moving invovled and tricks no heavyweighter can pull off. BJ Penn is great in this division.

Yeah, BJ is amazing.  St. Pierre is great to watch too, though I'm secretly hoping BJ will move up a class and give him a good fight (this time, without gassing).

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Reply #18 on: July 18, 2008, 05:11:27 AM

I miss the old school stuff with no weight classes, and fights between single discipline guys. It was really interesting to see the contrast in styles. Now everyone is trained in multiple disciplines at it is far more boring imo.

I used to watch it in those days. Two hundred pound weight advantages, Joyce Gracie tapping out guys with ankle locks from his back, and Taktarov winning matches by staying in his guard for 45 minutes until his opponent was completely gassed.

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Reply #19 on: July 18, 2008, 12:44:15 PM

Oh yeah. I remember the first ever UFC fight. A skinny Dutch Savate guy vs..... a SUMO. Everyone was scared for the smaller dude. No guards, no mouthpieces, etc..

And then this happened, and I was hooked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXreAYwJCQ


I see your Sumo fighter, and raise you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zhQb_nkR0U

Keith Hackney broke his wrist or arm that fight and could not continue in the tournament.
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Reply #20 on: July 18, 2008, 12:48:27 PM

Heh yeah, I recall that one too.

The dutch guy in the previous vid did, in fact, break his wrist too -- on the punch to the eye, right after the kick. He ended up going against a Muay Thai dude after that match, and still won it. So then it became him against Gracie...and the way Gracie took him down was, I guess, how his legend was born.
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Reply #21 on: July 18, 2008, 12:53:54 PM

Heh yeah, I recall that one too.

The dutch guy in the previous vid did, in fact, break his wrist too -- on the punch to the eye, right after the kick. He ended up going against a Muay Thai dude after that match, and still won it. So then it became him against Gracie...and the way Gracie took him down was, I guess, how his legend was born.

The thing that will forever stick in my mind about the Hackney fight was that overhand shot he landed. You gotta be inventive with your strikes when the guy stands a full foot taller and weighs like 3 pounds more than you.

I am totally renting a bunch of the old fights again, thanks for making this thread :)



Fedor is a beast.  I can't wait to see him fight again.


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Reply #22 on: July 18, 2008, 12:56:02 PM

I raise your tubbys with a real giant with strength and flexibility. This guy is 10 times more dangerous than any of those tubby ones.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=P3QzX1ZadJM

Another David VS Goliath :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PJeOMih5ceM


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Reply #23 on: July 18, 2008, 01:15:16 PM

I keep forgetting what this thread is about and clicking on it!   

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Reply #24 on: July 18, 2008, 01:22:53 PM

I raise your tubbys with a real giant with strength and flexibility. This guy is 10 times more dangerous than any of those tubby ones.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=P3QzX1ZadJM

Another David VS Goliath :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PJeOMih5ceM



Fedor is the Man! Didn't know he fought that big chinese dude though -- someone was just talkin' about him the other day. Total freak of nature. Although, that doesn't seem to stop his luck.

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Reply #25 on: July 18, 2008, 01:30:07 PM

Lucky bastard  Heartbreak

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Reply #26 on: July 18, 2008, 01:52:22 PM

Guess I should have realized you were not talking about this....

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Reply #27 on: July 18, 2008, 02:27:23 PM

I love me some Fedor, but I am secretly wondering what will happen when he starts facing former (or current) UFC talent.  There is a part of me that wonders if he isn't going to get his face re-arranged.

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Reply #28 on: July 18, 2008, 02:30:22 PM

Where is the fight airing tomorrow ?

We will see after tomorrows fight in what shape Fedor is.

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Reply #29 on: July 18, 2008, 02:50:46 PM

I love me some Fedor, but I am secretly wondering what will happen when he starts facing former (or current) UFC talent.  There is a part of me that wonders if he isn't going to get his face re-arranged.

Judging from the pic, that might be what he is hoping for.

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Reply #30 on: July 18, 2008, 03:43:25 PM

Where is the fight airing tomorrow ?

We will see after tomorrows fight in what shape Fedor is.

I want to say Vegas, but I'm not sure.  Unless you meant the "where" as in "what network", but I'm guessing you know it's PPV.

Anderson Silva, on the other hand, will be on Spike, which is a direct kick in the testes from UFC to Donald Trump and the other Affliction guys.

Edit: pretty sure it is in Anaheim, actually.  Some place called the Honda center.
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Reply #31 on: July 18, 2008, 03:51:13 PM


The thing that will forever stick in my mind about the Hackney fight was that overhand shot he landed. You gotta be inventive with your strikes when the guy stands a full foot taller and weighs like 3 pounds more than you.


Did you see Hackney in UFC...4 I want to say?  Where he gave that idiot Korean wrestler guy (Kimo's trainer AND Jesus advisor) countless unanswered punches directly to the nutsack?  Keith Hackney was awesome.  He'd get totally killed today, but he was involved in some classics.  Crazy Tiger-style Karate or something.

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Reply #32 on: July 19, 2008, 08:27:12 PM


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Reply #33 on: July 20, 2008, 12:15:35 AM

He needs to get into a Couture fight asap, or he's always going to have an asterisk next to his record (not necessarily to me).

[edit] Too bad there's a light heavyweight division. I think some of those guys would still be good opponents for him.

[edit] Well shit, didn't realize Couture was 45. Even if Fedor did win, it'd just be another asterisk.
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Reply #34 on: July 20, 2008, 05:53:35 AM

You're probably right about that asterisk...but for my money, Fedor would probably walk through a Randy Couture even in his prime.  We'll never know, but we'll probably get to see him against the 45 year-old version.

Hell, I guess I expected him to win last night , but....words fail.

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