APB: Finally, I Can Be A PUNK!

[Ghambit]

Yah, I'm pretty sure we've broken the NDA a few times in here.

[Modern Angel]

We have not. You have.

[NiX]

Yah, I'm pretty sure we've broken the NDA a few times in here.

To which you've also been told to stop. NDA is still up, which means you still keep your yaps shut about anything other than being in the beta.

[Lantyssa]

Here's an easy way to follow the NDA:  If you're in, don't say anything.  Period.  Forget the thread exists.

(Dammit!  )

[Kageru]

Beta up until release always makes me suspicious. Even though it seems like only Blizzard doesn't do that.

Pretty easy to find beta leaks anyway and they seem universally negative. Which surprises me not at all when their design document seems to have been "GTA online? moneyhats!". Pretty hard to enforce an NDA when you have lots of people involved and lots of them don't care enough about the game that getting banned counts as a risk.

Had a link to a discussion, but read the forum guidelines and posting that (even though I'm not in the beta) is discouraged :(

[Tearofsoul]

Guh, stop fucking talking about the beta. - NiX

[TripleDES]

To summarize it without breaking the NDA: Same shit as with every MMO (beta).

[schild]

Next person who says shenanigans is getting pistol whipped.

[Lantyssa]

I call... hijinx.

[Furiously]

Tomfoolery and antics abound!

I see the ea and apb site have a digital download with a "guarenteed beta" and 3 day head start + unique cars + extra emote. But do any retailers with actual boxes have a similar deal going?

[Ozzu]

Next person who says shenanigans is getting pistol whipped.

[Ollie]

But... but... it's so nice to say with all that alveolar tongue action going on. 

I see the ea and apb site have a digital download with a "guarenteed beta" and 3 day head start + unique cars + extra emote. But do any retailers with actual boxes have a similar deal going?

According to RTW, the pre-order pack should be available at "leading retailers" too, not just via DD. Play.com for one pimps it here in the EU.

[Sky]

Pretty easy to find beta leaks anyway and they seem universally negative. Which surprises me not at all when their design document seems to have been "GTA online? moneyhats!". Pretty hard to enforce an NDA when you have lots of people involved and lots of them don't care enough about the game that getting banned counts as a risk.

Alternately, if people are enjoying it and not breaking NDA, you're not reading about it. So, there's that.

[Stormwaltz]

Is someone going to make a private forum for this, or are we going to stay out here and bitch about each other's posts?

[WayAbvPar]

I would imagine there will be a new thread (and if necessary a private forum) when the game launches. Until the NDA drops we aren't discussing it at all. Especially since I am STILL not in the gd beta.

[Sky]

EvilJohn could probably green-light a private forum for the NDA folks.

Wait for the NA beta, WAP.

[WayAbvPar]

Yeah that is what I am doing- didn't want to deal with cross-pond lag so I didn't bother trying to get an EU key.

[NiX]

EvilJohn could probably green-light a private forum for the NDA folks.

A month to launch and there are official forums. There's no point.

[Furiously]

Steam has the preorder up. Interesting how they are limiting time prior to release.

[TripleDES]

Don't preorder it.

[Mrbloodworth]

Did the NDA drop or something? Steam forum is one giant misinformed NDA breaking pit over there.

Also:

APB Microtransaction Charges Changed

[NiX]

NDA is still up.

[Furiously]

Don't preorder it.

I'm totally preordering it.

[TripleDES]

Please do, so we can rejoice from your QQing. --edit: vvv And yours.

[Mrbloodworth]

Don't preorder it.

I'm totally preordering it.

Same.

[Ghambit]

APB Microtransaction Charges Changed

Whole fallacy of this was the fact they never thought to let the players earn RTW points and transfer them to RL cash if they wanted.  Instead, they charge you an xtra fee even just to make something... sure, you make some in-game coin from the sale, but upon /unsub it all disappears along with the RL money you paid to make the stuff.   

[tazelbain]

APB Microtransaction Charges Changed

Whole fallacy of this was the fact they never thought to let the players earn RTW points and transfer them to RL cash if they wanted.  Instead, they charge you an xtra fee even just to make something... sure, you make some in-game coin from the sale, but upon /unsub it all disappears along with the RL money you paid to make the stuff.   

Fallacy?  That's good sense.  DDO, Eve, and Puzzle Pirates don't let you convert currency to RL memory and do just fine.

[Trippy]

Please do, so we can rejoice from your QQing. --edit: vvv And yours.

Shut the fuck up.

[Ghambit]

APB Microtransaction Charges Changed

Whole fallacy of this was the fact they never thought to let the players earn RTW points and transfer them to RL cash if they wanted.  Instead, they charge you an xtra fee even just to make something... sure, you make some in-game coin from the sale, but upon /unsub it all disappears along with the RL money you paid to make the stuff.  

Fallacy?  That's good sense.  DDO, Eve, and Puzzle Pirates don't let you convert currency to RL memory and do just fine.

They dont charge RL money to MAKE stuff either, along with a slew of other differences.
My point was they would've been fine to keep the mfg. charge as long as there was some way to back some real money out of the game.  Instead, they just axed the mfg. charge.  (shrug)

Cant really talk about it anymore than this obviously.

[Mrbloodworth]

Please do, so we can rejoice from your QQing. --edit: vvv And yours.

U mad?

 

[UnSub]

As I stated above, the requirement of RL cash to sell crafted items was dumb. Of course it was going to kill the incentive of crafters to use the markets (at least until the market was established and players worked out how to use it).

However, I'm not filled with confidence with the response that basically said, "We are taking out the fee and know that we need something in its place, but we don't have time to figure it out so full steam ahead for launch!" That's just a big red flag. Alternative suggestions could have included some 'free' manufacturing points with each sub payment along with options to buy more if a player wanted to or to allow some sort of karma system where players viewed at wasting market spots start needing to pay that RL fee to list things. But going out with nothing is going to make it much harder to implement anything further down the line.

And Ghambit, the second players can somehow get RL money out of APB is the day the entire game changes for the worse. When a game pays out, it changes the nature of the game.

[Sheepherder]

And Ghambit, the second players can somehow get RL money out of APB is the day the entire game changes for the worse gets shut down for tax evasion, laundering, and/or illegal gambling. When a game pays out, it changes the nature of the game.

[TripleDES]

Please do, so we can rejoice from your QQing. --edit: vvv And yours.

U mad?

 

Hell no, I'm past my disappointment in this game.

[Modern Angel]

How the fuck is this the hardest game ever to come through here when it comes to enforcing the usual f13 NDA standards? Don't say whether you like it, whether it's worth a preorder or anything else. Say if you're in or not, since that's the limit, and then sit down, shut the fuck up and dogpile later.

[Kageru]

You shouldn't need to break the NDA to say don't pre-order anyway. Any game pushing the pre-orders hard knows it's heading towards the rocks at full steam. And anyone who pre-orders without knowing anything about the game is a hopeless optimist given the terrible MMO launches we've seen. Especially since the last game of this type was crimecraft and it sank without trace.