EvE Devs play with BoB. Investigation in progress....New Scandal page 9!

[TripleDES]

You should have seen the original threadnaught. By god it was marvellous. Especially considering how long it took for the mods to catch on. Over twenty pages of image macros!

Also, that dickhead of sharkbait was infiltrating one of the Goonswarm corporations without cleaning up the audit logs.

[Miasma]

What's a threadnaught?

[Simond]

What's a threadnaught?

You'll know one when you see one. 

[LK]

You can't have a good CCP scandal without a threadnaught.  Just like the game!

[MahrinSkel]

Frankly, I see the hand of The Mittani in this one.  After the last few months, that BoB could or would exert influence in CCP like this?  That they've subverted the Internal Affairs group at CCP?  As compared to the possibility that The Mittani could or would manufacture a scandal?  Occam's Razor.

--Dave

[Simond]

Frankly, I see the hand of The Mittani in this one.  After the last few months, that BoB could or would exert influence in CCP like this?  That they've subverted the Internal Affairs group at CCP?  As compared to the possibility that The Mittani could or would manufacture a scandal?  Occam's Razor.

--Dave

Or, you know, CCP are corrupt and BoB are a bunch of cheats. Except we already know this from the T20 thing.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=526190

The moderators have alerted CCP and the IA team regarding allegations of Dev misconduct. They will conduct their investigation, however its the weekend so it will take some time for the Devs to provide an answer. Please be patient.

[TripleDES]

Frankly, I see the hand of The Mittani in this one.  After the last few months, that BoB could or would exert influence in CCP like this?  That they've subverted the Internal Affairs group at CCP?  As compared to the possibility that The Mittani could or would manufacture a scandal?  Occam's Razor.

So, is BoB's cock sugar coated or what?

[Ratadm]

Honestly I think it's safer to assume that the Eve devs are gently loving incompetent and corrupt on a level not seen in other mmos.  I mean mitani being cloak and dagger isn't hard to believe but I honestly think it's more likely that sharkbait is not nearly as sneaky as he thinks he is.

[TripleDES]

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=526190

IA investigating itself? Is that going to cause an endless loop?

[Simond]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[TripleDES]

EVEO forums disabled. :V

[Comstar]

GoonFleets letter to CCP

With this extra bit of intel

[ 2007.03.20 06:30:15 ] Orange Species > isd reporters are not to interfere with gameplay
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:22 ] Orange Species > that includes getting too close
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:25 ] Orange Species > to our ships
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:32 ] D4kkon > petition her
[ 2007.03.20 06:30:57 ] Orange Species > nah no petition
[ 2007.03.20 06:31:00 ] Orange Species > msn chat is enough
[ 2007.03.20 06:31:05 ] D4kkon > rgr

Orange Species merely needs MSN to get CCP help, according to this log.

[Fmar]

I'm more interested in the CCP sharkbait business myself.
Its really suspicious.

Darkstar 1, (corporation who CCP employee made himself director of) is one of the big capital ship producers for goonswarm.
They were the ones that were talking about maybe building supercapitals for goonswarm.
People that have 'director' status can quickly see IF the corporation has the buildings to create a supercapital & where the building is.

I think thats why it has really set off alarms with goons.

[Raging Turtle]

I'm more interested in the CCP sharkbait business myself.
Its really suspicious.

Darkstar 1, (corporation who CCP employee made himself director of) is one of the big capital ship producers for goonswarm.
They were the ones that were talking about maybe building supercapitals for goonswarm.
People that have 'director' status can quickly see IF the corporation has the buildings to create a supercapital & where the building is.

I think thats why it has really set off alarms with goons.

So BoB would then know where to attack and kill an incubating titan?  Or I am missing something?  Why the hell would the goons outsource something like building a titan, anyway?

[Comstar]

It's a goon alt corp I believe.

[Fmar]

So BoB would then know where to attack and kill an incubating titan?  Or I am missing something?  Why the hell would the goons outsource something like building a titan, anyway?

Darkstar 1 is a member of goonswarm.
Someone would know IF a supercapital (mothership/titan) is being built & WHERE its being built.

Then again, maybe the CCP employee was doing some completely harmless unrelated activity.
If thats the case, the employee should have handled it very differently.

[TripleDES]

Sharkbait was hired into the QA team for the internal test server and SiSi. He has no goddamn business on the live server with his employee/godmode account.

[Drogo]

If this was any other game I would probably assume the players were just jumping to conclusions and causing drama, with CCP though, you have to wonder. They lost a lot of credibility with the T20 incident. It will be interesting to see what they have to say when the forums come back up.

[CmdrSlack]

Wow.  I've never even tried Eve, but I'm kind of glad now that I didn't.  This kind of drama just reeks of old UO and EQ stuff.  Hell, when I was in the guide program, I was privy to all kinds of dirty laundry, but at least that stuff had resolution and whatnot.  This just seems too open-ended to be fair.

[Arthur_Parker]

CCP are trying to spin it to say the dev joined the goonswarm capital corp Darkstar1 and gave himself director level access to fix a pos bug.  Only thing is according to the CEO of darkstar1, when he joined they only had 2 small pos and neither had modules fitted, it's also been stated that nobody in darkstar1 filled a petition for any kind of bug.

Lots of goons being banned from the forums and ingame for posting questions in the official feedback thread or linking to the story from ingame chat channels.

[Slayerik]

Anyone wanna buy my account? :)

[Fmar]

Not sure what to say about this:
Dianabolic = #2 man of BoB.  The organization that is accused of having devs 'on call'

You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?

And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game?
Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow.

Get over yourselves.

So basically you do have a special line straight to the devs and presumably get special favors because of that? Thanks for confirming.

We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots.

[Sparky]

Pure gold:

http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/d9/d97cac1bd72c82f23cef958351d267e939bf1c7d.jpg

http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/28/289cad86b9d0a3ccd72248126a721a39783f67eb.jpg

http://logan-1.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/d0/d0e1d8081dde5bf108791daed53ec32b896e43c1.png

[Arthur_Parker]

Figured some of you may be interested in this, it's been added to the old thread here but that's 20 pages long.

http://goonfleet.com/open_letter_to_CCP.html

Three new allegations all raised today by goonswarm (the largest alliance in the game, also currently at war with the alliance BoB which had the CCP dev helping them last time).

1.  RP events that have in-game rewards are being rigged
2.  An in-game reporter gets fired on the spot for not leaving space when told to by a player in BoB.
3.  A dev joins a goonswarm corporation, gives himself guildmaster level access permissions then leaves, a petition from the CEO asking about this is closed and deleted.

More links

http://digg.com/pc_games/EVE_Creators_CCP_Under_Fire_Again_for_Alleged_Corruption_Open_Letter_Made

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/26/0016226&threshold=1

http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/

Official forums suffer a meltdown after the locking and deleting of all posts regarding the above, CCP then responds and opens one heavily moderated feedback thread here.

[MahrinSkel]

Chain of events, as near as I can figure it out:

ISD reporter friendly to Coalition is covering a battle between BoB and the Coalition.

ISD reporter is being a dick in local.

BoB leadership is being dicks back.

ISD reporter jumps in front of a moving BoB dread, which effectively bumps it (I know this can happen, I've been in the ship that bumped into an ISD ship).

BoB leadership bitches out ISD reporter about it in local.

ISD reporter calls BoB leadership liars in local.

BoB leadership uses MSN to contact IA in CCP.

IA comes in and boots the reporter from ISD.

Reporter drops dramabomb at Kuguetsman.

Goons jump on new "evidence" of CCP corruption.

That about cover it?

--Dave

[Trippy]

I like it better all in one thread. Moving to the other one.

[Trippy]

BoB leadership uses MSN to contact IA in CCP.

IA comes in and boots the reporter from ISD.

Why is IA doing the job of a GM?

[Arthur_Parker]

I like it better all in one thread. Moving to the other one.

Can you put a pointer here from general or something?  This is bigger story than GM Darwin and it's a current front story of digg, /. and brokentoys, few people read this subforum unless they are interested in Eve already and people come here for general mmorpg news.

[Sparky]

Diana sez "get ur own devs nubs":



He's the gift that keeps on giving.

[Fmar]

That about cover it?
--Dave

Not really...

The way it reads to me:
-Neutral ISD reporter is covering a BoB versus goon fight.
-ISD reporter teleports to 1km of BoB dread & insta moves to 80km.
-BoB accuses reporter of bumping the dread.
-ISD reporter claims otherwise.
-BoB demands reporter leave system.
-Reporter refuses.
-BoB threatens to get on MSN & take care of reporter.
-ISD reporter immediately contacts boss & boss says not to worry about it.
-A random CCP employee uses an internal system to contact the reporter & demands he leave the system.
-CCP internal affairs is immediately contacted & lets the reporter know that the random CCP employee that just demanded that he leave is actually a QA employee.
-Reporter is told not to worry about it.
-Three hours later, reporter is fired without a word.  (after being employed for 1.5 years)
-All requests for further information by reporter are ignored.

[MahrinSkel]

BoB leadership uses MSN to contact IA in CCP.

IA comes in and boots the reporter from ISD.

Why is IA doing the job of a GM?

Because the ISD reporter was violating the rules, getting into factional pissing matches in local of a battle he was only supposed to be observing, and interfering with the course of that battle, so IA came to boot him out?

--Dave

EDIT: Which is why this feels like social engineering to me, the reporter went *way* over the line of "neutral and objective" in the local chatlogs, like he was trying to provoke an incident.

[Fmar]

BoB leadership uses MSN to contact IA in CCP.

IA comes in and boots the reporter from ISD.

Why is IA doing the job of a GM?

Because the ISD reporter was violating the rules, getting into factional pissing matches in local of a battle he was only supposed to be observing, and interfering with the course of that battle, so IA came to boot him out?

--Dave

IA didn't boot the reporter.
Random CCP employee from QA demand he leave.

We seem to have two different tales here, I'll reread it to make sure I'm not way off base here...

[Trippy]

BoB leadership uses MSN to contact IA in CCP.

IA comes in and boots the reporter from ISD.

Why is IA doing the job of a GM?

Because the ISD reporter was violating the rules, getting into factional pissing matches in local of a battle he was only supposed to be observing, and interfering with the course of that battle, so IA came to boot him out?

--Dave

EDIT: Which is why this feels like social engineering to me, the reporter went *way* over the line of "neutral and objective" in the local chatlogs, like he was trying to provoke an incident.

That didn't really answer my question. Isn't IA supposed to investigate in-game misconduct by CCP employees? If IA is itself actively "policing" things in-game who investigates IA in-game misconduct?

[MahrinSkel]

I had missed the part about the QA employee.  So, BoB contacted a QA employee at CCP, which IA investigated and responded by booting the reporter.  Assuming that CCP IA are not *complete* idiots, which is more likely: IA punished the reporter because of his contact with a case of BoB/CCP corruption, thereby drastically increasing the chance of exposure, or; IA kicked out the reporter because he was blatantly violating the rules ISD reporters are supposed to follow?

--Dave

[Slayerik]

BoB leadership uses MSN to contact IA in CCP.

IA comes in and boots the reporter from ISD.

Why is IA doing the job of a GM?

Because the ISD reporter was violating the rules, getting into factional pissing matches in local of a battle he was only supposed to be observing, and interfering with the course of that battle, so IA came to boot him out?

--Dave

IA didn't boot the reporter.
Random CCP employee from QA demand he leave.

We seem to have two different tales here, I'll reread it to make sure I'm not way off base here...

Don't worry, Dave is always on a different page cause he's leet ;) Its kinda nice having the BoB representitive in here though, keeps it "fair and balanced". Just like EvE!