Schilling's Green Monster Games

[Bunk]

Ok, I see where I mixed this up. EA Partners is publishing this "prequal" rpg. Got it.

[Musashi]

PotBS sea combat was a flash of brilliance?

[Draegan]

Wait a minute.  I just read flashes of brilliance with the first 11 levels of WAR.  Does. Not. Compute.

[Musashi]

Nah, man the first few levels were fun.

[Nebu]

I'll be happy to debate any of my statements... in another thread.  Sorry about the derail.

[HaemishM]

Why not this thread? Ain't nothing going on here. 

[Arrrgh]

Wait a minute.  I just read flashes of brilliance with the first 11 levels of WAR.  Does. Not. Compute.

Nordenwatch was fun.

[Draegan]

I didn't say they weren't fun, but they weren't flashes of brilliance.

[veredus]

I would say there was. If anything the ability to pvp from lvl 1 and be or at least feel useful in combat was great.

[Draegan]

I guess you have your standard for brilliance and I have mine.

[Nebu]

I guess you have your standard for brilliance and I have mine.

Easy access to PvP from the second you log on and PQ's were two flashes of brilliance that quickly went nowhere once you hit the treadmill.  Nordenwatch and Khaine's embrace were fun as hell.  You remember fun... it's that thing that nearly every MMO released after WoW seems to be lacking. 

[Musashi]

You're totally right.  The PQ's were easily classified as brilliant.

However, you're on notice for your PotBS ship combat comment.  On notice, sir.  :(

Also, I fully realize I'm blatantly douching up this thread.  But if there ever was a thread that deserved blatant douching, it's this one.

[Draegan]

I guess you have your standard for brilliance and I have mine.

Easy access to PvP from the second you log on and PQ's were two flashes of brilliance that quickly went nowhere once you hit the treadmill.  Nordenwatch and Khaine's embrace were fun as hell.  You remember fun... it's that thing that nearly every MMO released after WoW seems to be lacking. 

I never said they weren't fun.  I don't think the fact that you can queue for battlegrounds at level 1 in a PVP MMO to be specifically brilliant.

[UnSub]

Learnings from 38 Studios: a game just has to be good if it has a cool codename. 

[gehrig38]

I guess you have your standard for brilliance and I have mine.

Easy access to PvP from the second you log on and PQ's were two flashes of brilliance that quickly went nowhere once you hit the treadmill.  Nordenwatch and Khaine's embrace were fun as hell.  You remember fun... it's that thing that nearly every MMO released after WoW seems to be lacking. 

I never said they weren't fun.  I don't think the fact that you can queue for battlegrounds at level 1 in a PVP MMO to be specifically brilliant.

I don't know about brilliant, but it was innovative as hell, and imo fun as hell as well. I don't know that the idea itself was the win as much as the layout and 'leveling up' you did to even out the playing field.
As a non-PvP guy I enjoyed the hell out of WAR PvP all the way through (well as long as my friends were playing).

I also thought WAR's class design, and mechanics, were the most imaginative in any MMO, ever. I played every class in the game to at least 25, and burned out on every one for the same reason.

[tazelbain]

WAR has made me intolerant of games like Aion for me.  I just won't accept a slog though PvE to get PvP.  I just don't accept promises of fun anymore.  Too many developers have abused that.  It's now a red flag to stay far, far away.

[gehrig38]

WAR's PVE and PvP systems felt like they were built by two different companies, then put together before launch.
The PVE system, as a PVE'er. felt to me like something they put in because they might need it, to keep players from pulling their hair out between BGs.

[UnSub]

I played every class in the game to at least 25, and burned out on every one for the same reason.

I'll bite: what reason was that?

[schild]

I played every class in the game to at least 25, and burned out on every one for the same reason.

I'll bite: what reason was that?

Tier 3. Tor Anroc. Terrible quest progression. Bad Exp. Messed up siege game play.

Same reason everyone played to 20-30 and quit. Same reason Mark and I got into yelling matches. Same reason all those people showed up to complain.

[gehrig38]

Pretty much. It just felt the same, everything, at some point in the 20s. As a PVE guy I was ok playing a PvP focused game since I enjoyed the low barrier to entry, but the PVE was just not there, never was, in any tier as far as I was concerned.

[schild]

Just as a side note, I answered for you so you wouldn't take the chance to poop on a game by the publisher you just announced being paired up with. Just saying.

[UnSub]

Pretty much. It just felt the same, everything, at some point in the 20s. As a PVE guy I was ok playing a PvP focused game since I enjoyed the low barrier to entry, but the PVE was just not there, never was, in any tier as far as I was concerned.

No probs. Was just seeing if there was some unique reason.

WAR's PvE was awful. I'm not expecting killer AI behaviours, but the "HE'S COMING STRAIGHT FOR US" tactic has been all played out for a while now and WAR seemed to have a super-basic version of it going on.

[schild]

I'm not expecting killer AI behaviours, but the "HE'S COMING STRAIGHT FOR US"

Not really gonna change in any dramatic way any time soon.

[Rendakor]

I'm not expecting killer AI behaviours, but the "HE'S COMING STRAIGHT FOR US"

Not really gonna change in any dramatic way any time soon.

Also not the biggest problem with WAR's PVE.

[Sjofn]

Pretty much. It just felt the same, everything, at some point in the 20s. As a PVE guy I was ok playing a PvP focused game since I enjoyed the low barrier to entry, but the PVE was just not there, never was, in any tier as far as I was concerned.

No probs. Was just seeing if there was some unique reason.

WAR's PvE was awful. I'm not expecting killer AI behaviours, but the "HE'S COMING STRAIGHT FOR US" tactic has been all played out for a while now and WAR seemed to have a super-basic version of it going on.

Oh now, with their pathing issues, the mobs hardly ever came straight for you. 

[UnSub]

Other than RA Salvatore mentioning his love of EQ's death penalty and that Copernicus has a resurrection Lazarus Pit Well of Souls as part of its lore, did any new info about this title come to light from the GDC?

[UnSub]

Oh now, with their pathing issues, the mobs hardly ever came straight for you. 

My favourite WAR moment was spying a bear champion at the bottom of a large cliff below me, trying to kite it and watching it run up a sheer rock wall to get to me. It came straight for me and defied gravity to do it.

[Draegan]

Other than RA Salvatore mentioning his love of EQ's death penalty and that Copernicus has a resurrection Lazarus Pit Well of Souls as part of its lore, did any new info about this title come to light from the GDC?

Not that I know of.  RA Salvatore, when talking about MMOs, loves to talk about EQ with rosy glasses.  He gushed about it in a 10ton hammer interview a year or so ago.

[Engels]

Probably because EQ replicated his Drow underworld well, I suspect.

[taolurker]

Curt Schilling spent (almost?) all of his baseball fortune with 38 Studios - From Gamasutra

His total earnings from baseball is estimated in the article at around $114.16 million.

Still not a single iota of solid info about their game(s), and it's looking like he's probably regretting the decision somewhat:

But he admitted that he might have taken on too much at this period in his life, not to mention he launched the company in the midst of a recession.

"There was no way I should have started the company when I did," he said he thought to himself one day. "It wasn't fair to the Red Sox, it wasn't fair to these people, and beyond all of that it wasn't fair to my wife."

BTW: Curt when you read this thread (which I'm sure is the only thing you do when you spend time here) please don't take this the wrong way, but I tire of hearing about your baseball stories, life lessons, or MMO history, AND WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR GAME(s). I also think if you responded to one of the thousands of other threads here on the forums, that it would reflect way better than the current "defend yourself" or "discuss other game's innovations" that this thread has 42 pages of.

[Tearofsoul]

"Follow your dream, don't look back"

I know it is easy to say.

[Soln]

Curt may very well have the last laugh. 

[Ollie]

I wouldn't actually mind that at all. The MMOG marketplace could do with a little innovation. Heck, I'd probably settle for a really finely-tuned Diku at this point, provided that it's polished to a glistening sheen. Not that my misguided optimism is likely to pay dividends any time soon.

But more to the point, I actually disagree with Taolurker a bit – though probably more in execution rather than intent. I for one don't really want to hear any more about Copernicus. No more vague pipedreams, no more Vision^tm. What I want is to see stuff. So before 38 Studios actually have some in-game footage to show, Curt can stay away.

As to how Curt's participation on these boards affects my perception of 38 Studios or Copernicus, I don't really care either way. In the end, the game is what matters.

[Margalis]

Curt when you read this thread (which I'm sure is the only thing you do when you spend time here) please don't take this the wrong way, but I tire of hearing about your baseball stories, life lessons, or MMO history....

Let's be fair, the context of this is a Harvard business school case study - not the right place to talk about how your combat is totally going to have backstabbing.

[taolurker]

Curt when you read this thread (which I'm sure is the only thing you do when you spend time here) please don't take this the wrong way, but I tire of hearing about your baseball stories, life lessons, or MMO history....

Let's be fair, the context of this is a Harvard business school case study - not the right place to talk about how your combat is totally going to have backstabbing.

That's why I don't think this requires a post from him to defend his personal fortune. Right now he's just an elitist MMO troll, who had money to invest in MMOs, and the internet already has 1 Serek Dmart.

I do think, however, it's about time Curt delved into other forums to discuss WAR or WOW, or any other MMOs, and want him to get to know us (his potential market). I don't want him to have another conversation about anything but solid information about his game(s) here, because it makes him look like an attention whore seeking only to keep his bloody sock under our nose as a means of publicity for the game(s) no one knows shit all about.

But more to the point, I actually disagree with Taolurker a bit – though probably more in execution rather than intent. I for one don't really want to hear any more about Copernicus. No more vague pipedreams, no more Vision^tm. What I want is to see stuff. So before 38 Studios actually have some in-game footage to show, Curt can stay away.

As to how Curt's participation on these boards affects my perception of 38 Studios or Copernicus, I don't really care either way. In the end, the game is what matters.

I do also want to see stuff but in 42 pages, what real details do we have? I don't want to hear vagaries anymore, and like I said above right now he's more going for the DrDmart approach to forums... respond about anything but details, only in one thread, and make everyone respect or hate my internet (baseball) powars.

I think were Schilling posting in other threads and having real discussions, like a regular guy, he'd be less a baseball name with money to throw around plus actually prove that he does care about the entire genre, not just his face time.