Schilling's Green Monster Games

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Curt may very well have the last laugh. 

Well i hope he does. Investing personal money to this degree is such a risk and given it affects the whole family, wouldn't wish on anyone to just get it all burnt without a return.

Ok, maybe on a few people. But have nothing against Curt

[Ollie]

Taolurker: Stuff

Interesting. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I gathered from your post that Curt's more general gaming-related participation on these boards would, in your mind, establish his credentials as a gaming enthusiast as well as give validity to his chops as a game developer, as opposed to merely a Dr. Dmart-like MMOG troll.

I'm sorry, I just don't see the connection at all. If we widen our context for a spell, simply by knowing what F13 is Curt has hoisted his geek flag pretty high. And as far as mingling with your potential customer base goes, don't you think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that the militant hard-asses on F13 in any way, shape or form represent viable MMOG market segments? Most kids out there think MUD is something you get on your boots on a rainy day and that WoW invented the MMORPG genre.

What confused me the most is that you seem to be hung up on Curt's honourable intentions somehow, as if his appreciation of the MMORPG genre somehow affects whether his company can deliver a decent title or not. As far as I'm concerned, intent is immaterial. With or without PR whoring, if Curt and 38 Studios can deliver a solid game down the line, he can morph into the bastard child of Bobby Kotick and John Riccitiello for all I care.

Lack of enthusiasm really isn't a problem in the gaming industry. Lack of professionalism on the other hand...

[Jamiko]

Look for something that actually matters, information wise, soon, REAL soon. Like before the end of the month soon.

Did I miss the information that matters? Hmm.

[taolurker]

The type of message you'd expect from a noob with 40 posts

Did you read all 42 pages of this mess? If you had you would see that all of us visit this thread to get game information. Curt visits this thread to defend himself, or possibly just to remain visible, and to not to reveal any information (yet?).

I also never said anything about the game or its likelyhood of success or failure, and since I am an MMO enthusiast, I want him to succeed... but right now he's only focusing on defending his persona (and therefore teh Company!!1!) and not on the game itself. Looking at almost all the other red named posters here and it would show the exact opposite approach. Me personally, I could do with him not responding at all and letting us conjecture ourselves over various empty news articles, than have him come here with his Dmart hat on.

And as far as mingling with your potential customer base goes, don't you think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that the militant hard-asses on F13 in any way, shape or form represent viable MMOG market segments? Most kids out there think MUD is something you get on your boots on a rainy day and that WoW invented the MMORPG genre.

Who are you again, and why weren't you banned with post #1?

The "militant hard-asses" here are actually full of MMO knowledge shaped by years of jaded experience and one of the best indicators of what the MMO genre needs. Curt is here for a reason, but IMO it shouldn't be to inflate his ego or defend himself, it should be to discuss his game or other games and ways to improve. If he's not here for that it's wasted, and another page of posts I end up reading that have nothing to do with his eventual game releases.

PS What does this have to do with Shadow... err. Copernicus?  

[Falconeer]

Look for something that actually matters, information wise, soon, REAL soon. Like before the end of the month soon.

Did I miss the information that matters? Hmm.

You noob! There's still 12 hours. Ha.

[Ollie]

What does this have to do with Shadow... err. Copernicus?  

You tell me, you brought up the human interest angle.

As to the rest of your post, I think I've managed to piece together your position. The weird thing is that the only thing we seem to disagree on is what Curt would stand to gain from his hypothetical participation on these boards. You seem to think it would be beneficial, I'm less inclined to think so. Both of us agree that the game itself is the important bit, and hope it turns out well.

But why the hostility? Surely not because of my ham-fisted attempt at irony? Be as it may, pop me a PM if you have an axe to grind. No need to inflate the thread with random hair-pulling.

[Rasix]

It's taolurker.  The hostility comes from within.

[Typhon]

[...]
The "militant hard-asses" here are actually full of MMO knowledge shaped by years of jaded experience and one of the best indicators of what the MMO genre needs.[...]

I've seen this sentiment here every now and again and it always makes me laugh.  In fact I'm laughing out loud right now and getting looks.  Sigh... lol, back to work.

[amiable]

I agree with the noob with 40 posts, he seems about an order of magnitude more sane than Taolurker.

[Grimwell]

The "militant hard-asses" here are actually full of MMO knowledge shaped by years of jaded experience and one of the best indicators of what the MMO genre needs.

I say this with no intended malice or fun-poking at all:

This statement could not be any further from the truth if it I flew to Mars on a rocket and etched it into a mountain there.

Also, if we are going to be smart investigators and cajole Curt into saying anything intelligent about his actual game(s) at all, move the focus from getting him to talk and over to getting him to encourage his employees to come here and talk about their game.

Those are the folks who have the answers you are seeking.

[Lantyssa]

We have some amazing flashes of insight, coupled with razor-sharp explanations of common sense, along with healthy doses of a lacking grasp on reality and pie-in-the-sky desires.  Like any other board, figuring out the useful bits can be tricky, especially since the people doing the filtering have their own biases.

Sure we can help make little improvements and offer feedback on systems we have experience with, but expecting more than that to come from even our seasoned gamers is starry-eyed fantasy.

Mostly we're good for chatting and BSing with one another, which is why I'd rather see Curt outside this thread, which he probably doesn't have time for.  When details emerge, we'll do our usual, the same as any other game.

[Soln]

Curt may very well have the last laugh. 

Well i hope he does. Investing personal money to this degree is such a risk and given it affects the whole family, wouldn't wish on anyone to just get it all burnt without a return.

Ok, maybe on a few people. But have nothing against Curt

Yup. This guy with the "vision" is also carrying now the "risk". 

AFAIK in MMO AAA gaming, that's new.

[UnSub]

IIRC, Schilling played EQ, WoW and WAR.

Salvatore was a big EQ fan.

I'm interested to see what 38 Studios comes up with, but I've got a solid suspicion that the game won't be for me. I'm wary of any title that claims to be innovative, given that the only way that term could be more abused is if it had been raised by the Catholic Church. But who knows? Maybe this time will be the one where the plucky used-to-be-independent-now-dealing-with-EA studio releases a MMO that doesn't wear out its welcome in less than 30 days.

[Ghambit]

Schilling is a gameplaying dork 1st, a baseball player 2nd (amirite?).  The latter enabled him to follow/realize his nature and his dreams... meaning, for once the man with the money is coming from the right place.  I can only recall two "major" MMOs that were devved similarly.  One is PotBS, the other was Eve at its inception (only the moneyman really didnt have as much control as Curt does).  It doesnt happen often, but needs to happen more.  

[Bzalthek]

Look for something that actually matters, information wise, soon, REAL soon. Like before the end of the month soon.

Did I miss the information that matters? Hmm.

You noob! There's still 12 hours. Ha.

So, what?  That super awesome leet info is made of the same effluvium as the game, eh?

[dusematic]

I love a good feisty forum newb.  Brings a tear to my eye.  Reminds me of my salad says.

[Ollie]

I love a good feisty forum newb.  Brings a tear to my eye.  Reminds me of my salad says.

Oh dear. Now I'll have Van Morrison's Bein' Green stuck in my head all day. 

[Tannhauser]

These boards are the last place I'd go if I was a MMO dev.  We hate everything.  The snark can be fun though!
"Sure, Jesus the MMO lets me walk on water but I have to hang on this cross all day?  Boring!"

Now if you come here to hype your game...you really didn't think your cunning plan all the way through.

[WindupAtheist]

I don't give a fuck about baseball. I didn't know who Curt Schilling was before he came here and don't give a shit now that I do. His game is going to be some 'Everquest with a twist' bullshit that sells half a million boxes on day one and crashes to 50k subscribers before the free month is up, just like everything else that isn't WoW. If I had the power I would have denned this thread ages ago and let someone make a new one when there was something to discuss.

This is the worst fucking thread on f13.

[Typhon]

I don't give a fuck about baseball. I didn't know who Curt Schilling was before he came here and don't give a shit now that I do. His game is going to be some 'Everquest with a twist' bullshit that sells half a million boxes on day one and crashes to 50k subscribers before the free month is up, just like everything else that isn't WoW. If I had the power I would have denned this thread ages ago and let someone make a new one when there was something to discuss.

This is the worst fucking thread on f13.

But you just made it great by telling us how you feel and how the world would be better if you were king.  I, for one, thank you for that and for the level-headed analysis that brought you to the conclusion that this is the worst thread on f13.

No, really,... I mean it.



No, really!

[Slayerik]

I think Curt is innovating a turd as we speak. Literally and figuratively.

I'm with WUA for once. This game is going to be WoW/EQ/Diku shit. That's the only info we've got on it, and the only thing exciting about it is some famous baseball pitcher is ponying up a lot of the cash. I actually hope he succeeds and makes a fun game and piles of money. I just doubt it happens.

[Ghambit]

There's still room in the market for a high-fantasy MMO of WoW-quality or better, if designed properly with modern tools. (to minimize time and money spent in dev.)

[IainC]

There's still room in the market for a high-fantasy MMO of WoW-quality or better, if designed properly with modern tools. (to minimize time and money spent in dev.)

And that game will probably be made by Blizzard.

Or at least a company with that level of autonomy and those kind of resources.

Which is basically Blizzard.

[Musashi]

I don't give a fuck about baseball. I didn't know who Curt Schilling was before he came here and don't give a shit now that I do. His game is going to be some 'Everquest with a twist' bullshit that sells half a million boxes on day one and crashes to 50k subscribers before the free month is up, just like everything else that isn't WoW. If I had the power I would have denned this thread ages ago and let someone make a new one when there was something to discuss.

This is the worst fucking thread on f13.

I don't know about worst thread.  It's entertaining to watch as this ship sinks while Fearless Leader has no clue - despite the whole armada waving him down, signaling SOS in semaphore, and firing warning shots across his bow.  It's sad, and I wish it weren't so.  But since this guy is hell bent for leather... it's a good show, you have to admit.  I'd probably have denned this shit too, though.  So I guess I'm admitting I go to the den for 'entertainment purposes.'  Only sometimes.

[Draegan]

 

[taolurker]

See that, now Curt will never post information about his game here.

I basically just didn't want to have the baseball discussion for another 10 pages.

I blame Grimwell if he doesn't come back (/poke) but maybe we will have some other 38 Studios presence here instead (assuming I still saw him lurking past the forum and only reading this thread again).

And I am not hostile, this whole thing is a tremendous lol to me. I just wanted Curt to not begin getting advice from his new Twitter pal or emulating him on forums.

[Nebu]

See that, now Curt will never post information about his game here.

Not to sound jaded, but does it really matter?  His primary motivation for doing so is to nudge the hype machine and we'll all see through that anyway. 

[Bzalthek]

See that, now Curt will never post information about his game here.

Well, it's not like we'll notice any difference, now will we?

[Ghambit]

See that, now Curt will never post information about his game here.

Not to sound jaded, but does it really matter?  His primary motivation for doing so is to nudge the hype machine and we'll all see through that anyway. 

Are there not way better places than here to "nudge the hype machine?"  I always looked at this forum as a way to bounce ideas and receive "constructive" criticism, not for hype.  Which is why Curt's silence is so maddening in these particular forums.  If this were some random IGN forum then who'd give a hoot.

In this sense, I still believe this NDA he has is harming him.  If this were some big studio and/or pubby with spread risk, oodles of investors, staff,  and internal testers, etc.  then the silence wouldnt matter so much.  As such, right now he can bounce ideas off no one unless they're on the payroll... and those folks tend to be a bit biased eh?  Meanwhile, he's bleeding money and potential investors because the hype machine is broken e.g. doesnt exist.

(I'lll never be an advocate for ridiculously long and strict NDA's, so dont try to convince me... and yes, plenty of titles have been more forthcoming at this stage in the cipher)

And fuck McFarlane and Salvatore if they're the reason.    /deja vu

[Draegan]

I almost want to say that a few posts in this thread belong in politics.

[Margalis]

It's tough to be in a position where you want to talk about what you are working on but can't spill the beans. That also makes it hard to talk about competing products for a variety of reasons.

Also baseball is great. Suck it nerds. 

[rattran]

Baseball is the one with the stick and the steroids, right?

[Lantyssa]

You mean that grasshopper game from Europe?

[devildog]

I believe every sport is the one with steroids, so you might need to narrow it down with something else.

[tazelbain]

I believe every sport is the one with steroids, so you might need to narrow it down with something else.

Hmm, a steroids in baseball apologist.  Enjoy your short stay!