Schilling's Green Monster Games

[HaemishM]

It's not starfucking if he posts it in the Game Design forum. It is starfucking if he posts his idea in the one thread sure to be seen by a dev right after said dev has posted a whore link to his own web site advertising for a job position about crafting. It's almost the very definition of starfucking.

[Draegan]

It's not starfucking if he posts it in the Game Design forum. It is starfucking if he posts his idea in the one thread sure to be seen by a dev right after said dev has posted a whore link to his own web site advertising for a job position about crafting. It's almost the very definition of starfucking.

Technically nerfbat is Ryan Shwayder's blog, and not 38studios.  But that's semantics really since they're all the same.

[Sutro]

Shrug. Obviously, they don't have a crafting system and no-one in-house feels comfortable designing one; I figured I'd try to be helpful and post a quick thought on what a next-gen crafting system should look like, coming from the perspective of a long-time consumer and observer of virtual worlds.

But I forgot that I need to post more pictures of LOLcats and boobs to grind my F13 rep before I have those kind of thoughts here.

[Kirth]

But I forgot that I need to post more pictures of LOLcats and boobs to grind my F13 rep before I have those kind of thoughts here.

so this is the vault?

Everyone is still recovering from the great jacobs starfucking incident of '08, I guess that's why they are touchy.

just wait tell Copernicus comes out and the fan site masses catch a whiff that curt shilling has/is posting here. 

[Draegan]

Wait.  The Jacobs starfucking was last year already?  Seems like yesterday...

[HaemishM]

Shrug. Obviously, they don't have a crafting system and no-one in-house feels comfortable designing one; I figured I'd try to be helpful and post a quick thought on what a next-gen crafting system should look like, coming from the perspective of a long-time consumer and observer of virtual worlds.

But I forgot that I need to post more pictures of LOLcats and boobs to grind my F13 rep before I have those kind of thoughts here.

You have thoughts? There's a forum for that. For bonus points, make a post over there and point from this thread to that.

I'm not touchy because of the Jacobs' starfucking. I'm touchy because every MMOG thread eventually degenerates into "My insert-MMOG-system-idea-here is better than sliced bread" nerd slapfights.

[Sutro]

I'm not touchy because of the Jacobs' starfucking. I'm touchy because every MMOG thread eventually degenerates into "My insert-MMOG-system-idea-here is better than sliced bread" nerd slapfights.

Er, that's kind of part-and-parcel with MMO threads and any discussion about any product on the Internet ever. People post thoughts on what they'd like to see in the product, and it's discussed. Maybe ideas are looked at and give someone something to consider, but most likely not.

Please enlighten me as to what content a discussion thread about an MMO that's still years out from release should have in it, if it's not discussion about potential intrinsic systems.

[Ghambit]

Personally, if it was my company, I wouldn't hire anyone (for this crafting system) with a long dusty resume going back years into game design unless they were simply code-slaves.  If there's one element of MMOs that needs fresh ideas (or good ideas done right) it's crafting.

Actually, is this position even really for an "idea-man/woman" or simply someone who's good at scribing code and DBs?  I'm gonna assume the general feeling for the system is probably already dreamt out.  They just need someone to add flesh to it.  Anyways, I dont know anyone for the job (some help I am) 

But, I will throw paper in the hat bearing the name "Schild" for community manager (once you go public).  We can add Nor'easters, snow drifts, and Bostonians to his lucky "dealings with mother-nature" thread. 

(back on point) I'll say "yay" to  finding someone from ATITD.  There may even be a Sleeper in the player community you'd be able to snipe if Teppy or Nekhmet doesnt work.

[schild]

Boston.

I'm like 90% sure I'd rather hit my balls with a tack hammer. The other 10% is choosing between that and a rusty saw.

Music scene there is nice though.

[shiznitz]

And the girls are good - for the Northeast anyway.

Please do not derail this into a X girls vs Y girls post. I said don't do it. Please, whatever you do, don't do that.

[sidereal]

Please enlighten me as to what content a discussion thread about an MMO that's still years out from release should have in it, if it's not discussion about potential intrinsic systems.

Snark, pessimism, quotes from Chinatown, and Job Notices.

[Ghambit]

And the girls are good - for the Northeast anyway.

Please do not derail this into a X girls vs Y girls post. I said don't do it. Please, whatever you do, don't do that.

must... resist... the... gahhhhh

[shiznitz]

[Please enlighten me as to what content a discussion thread about an MMO that's still years out from release should have in it, if it's not discussion about potential intrinsic systems.

Boobies.

[Sky]

Boston girls are great, they're indoctrinated to cheer for losers!

[Venkman]

Boston's great if you already live near. Relocating there though from places around the country that have strong MMO talent pools though (SoCal, NoCal, Austin)... yea, not so much. And I say that as someone who already lives near  The Northeast works best for people who grew up and left but want to move back home to have families near the folks they left behind.

[Ghambit]

Boston's got the best singles-scene in the country.      Whether that's a good thing or bad, I dunno... but, it's a fact.

As for gaming; Boston's pretty robust when it comes to Comp. Sci. and Theory.  Great ideas come out of there.  Leave it to the Valley and Middle Texas to implement it.  I'd rather be in Boston 'twer me though; I love the place.  And the intellectual fortitude it has is staggering (best place in the country to bounce ideas off of someone).  Something Mr. Schilling is taking advantage of I'm sure. 

[Stormwaltz]

 

My family and most of my old high school friends live between Boston and Providence.

[Nebu]

I love Boston.  I just don't happen to think it's worth the high cost of living to live there.  There are many other great parts of the US that don't cost half as much for daily expenditures.  That and I mostly hate other people. 

[Venkman]

My family and most of my old high school friends live between Boston and Providence.

Great, so you'll be moving back soon?

*runs*

 

Oh, and just to clarify: I dragged my new wife to the Boston area ten years ago because for ten years prior to that I lived around it when not in college or at work in CT and RI. But I'm from the Northeast, so already acclimated. I see the expressions buddies and coworkers have when they land at Logan or TF Green from LAX or Austin-Bergstrom 

[WindupAtheist]

We all know that any CS starfucking is going to end when the game comes out, is a tired EQ retread, and everyone slags him until he decides to stick to friendlier territory. 

[Draegan]

Wel Salvatore and Schilling are old EQ fanboys.  I'd put money that the game is more like EQ than WOW.  Even tough I'm not sure what that really means anyway.

[Ghambit]

I'm putting my money on something similar to Forgotten Realms.  Deep and long in Lore.  High Fantasy/Adventure.  Not  much politics, but plenty to do.

[Bzalthek]

My bet is on the "Evolved Dinosaurs vs. Steampunk Ninjas" theme with FPS/RPG elements and an intricate ranking system.

And free hallucinogens in every box.

[Morfiend]

Wel Salvatore and Schilling are old EQ fanboys.  I'd put money that the game is more like EQ than WOW.  Even tough I'm not sure what that really means anyway.

From reading that interview with RA, it seems that he really enjoyed the "wow this is cool" factor from how emense EQ was, but also that WoW is where the money is at. I am hoping we get the detail and depth of EQ, but I really hope they dont make it grindy.

I think we need a smilie like this:

[HaemishM]

Please enlighten me as to what content a discussion thread about an MMO that's still years out from release should have in it, if it's not discussion about potential intrinsic systems.

Absolutely nothing is a worthwhile discussion thread about a game this far out, which has released a grand total of fuckall about what kind of game it's going to be. There's so little known about the game, we'd ALL be making up a game in our heads because there's nothing to base it on. The fact that a dev/owner uses this thread to pimp the dribs and drabs of information he releases about his hypothetical game makes any discussion of possible game systems either 1) starfucking or 2) delusional.

[Tmon]

Please enlighten me as to what content a discussion thread about an MMO that's still years out from release should have in it, if it's not discussion about potential intrinsic systems.

Absolutely nothing is a worthwhile discussion thread about a game this far out, which has released a grand total of fuckall about what kind of game it's going to be. There's so little known about the game, we'd ALL be making up a game in our heads because there's nothing to base it on. The fact that a dev/owner uses this thread to pimp the dribs and drabs of information he releases about his hypothetical game makes any discussion of possible game systems either 1) starfucking or 2) delusional.

Exactly, I wish game devs would just keep there mouths shut until there were actual non-nda systems to discuss.

[SnakeCharmer]

Then people would bitch they aren't releasing enough information to satisfy potential customers and the fans.

[HaemishM]

The human condition is to bitch. Devs need to grow thicker skins and stop trying to feed the hype machine once they have the funding.

[sidereal]

The hype machine that leads to big opening week sales and taller moneyhats?  No, they will not be stopping trying to feed that.

[SnakeCharmer]

Developers need that hype machine to show investors that people are interested in their product to continue receiving funds.  Necessary evil.

[UnSub]

Also: every time Blizzard speaks, the MMO world stops to listen. Then we all chatter about it.

That the next WoW game is a new IP is not particularly deep news, but it spawned a whole heap of hypotheses (mine included) about what it could be.

[Triforcer]

It has to be something so radically different that there is no chance it will poach a significant number of WoWites.  Thus it will probably be another try at Planetside or a flight sim MMO or something. 

[UnSub]

It has to be something so radically different that there is no chance it will poach a significant number of WoWites.  Thus it will probably be another try at Planetside or a flight sim MMO or something. 

Blizzard won't care if it poached every last WoW player. Provided they keep playing a Blizzard game, all the money goes back to Blizzard.

What's more likely is that it will poach some existing WoW players, pull back in some ex-WoW players and even draw in new players to the genre. Blizzard then has enough income to buy Rhode Island, declare it Blizzardania and have the devs live like kings.

[gehrig38]

We all know that any CS starfucking is going to end when the game comes out, is a tired EQ retread, and everyone slags him until he decides to stick to friendlier territory. 

Ya, because we all know how much harsher you bad asses can be than sports fans in Philly, Boston and New York. I shudder at the thought of riling you up!!
Please. Being on these forums opens me up the same as it does you guys, I'm cool with that. Generally that means I'll get the odd Yankee fan MF'ing me for reasons obvious to anyone, and then there's the other sect that will rant and rave for 4 paragraphs that really have no meaning or direction, and then finish up with "You voted for Bush you f'ing loser, you suck"

It's all good. I can give as good as I get.

[gehrig38]

Please enlighten me as to what content a discussion thread about an MMO that's still years out from release should have in it, if it's not discussion about potential intrinsic systems.

Absolutely nothing is a worthwhile discussion thread about a game this far out, which has released a grand total of fuckall about what kind of game it's going to be. There's so little known about the game, we'd ALL be making up a game in our heads because there's nothing to base it on. The fact that a dev/owner uses this thread to pimp the dribs and drabs of information he releases about his hypothetical game makes any discussion of possible game systems either 1) starfucking or 2) delusional.

Exactly, I wish game devs would just keep there mouths shut until there were actual non-nda systems to discuss.

That might happen if we 'game devs' weren't gamers as well. I am anyway. I play MMO's, almost all. Just rechecking on VG and LoTRO after months away, playing WAR again, can't seem to log into WOW, just can't do it. I'm playing other stuff to.

The fact that I've invested 20+mm into an MMO and original IP, ya, I sure as hell am going to check out and chat in forums containing players we hope play our game.

If devs 'keeping their mouths open' bothers you there's a simple solution, don't read the posts or skip the threads.