Schilling's Green Monster Games

[Nebu]

Everyone here thinks they are a genius and the rest of the world are fools.  It's not a bad thing, it's what makes most of you so lovable.

I certainly don't think I'm a genius.  I just like being around people that know the difference between two, to, and too or your and you're. 

[cevik]

Everyone here thinks they are a genius and the rest of the world are fools.  It's not a bad thing, it's what makes most of you so lovable.

I certainly don't think I'm a genius.  I just like being around people that know the difference between two, to, and too or your and you're. 

Glad to see that gehrig isn't the only person who misses a little hyperbole now and again. ;)

[Merusk]

Now that I'm home and can actually see the art (fuck you, url-blocking work server!)   I like the style. It reminds me of Kingdom Hearts a bit and some of the Dofus style.  I think 10-15 years down the line we'll be able to point it out as "American Anime-influenced" and it'll look kitchy and dated.  Dated in the same sense as 70s and 80's cartoons do now and you can tell when something was animated by its style; but it's good for right now.

[HaemishM]

I'd argue the opposite:) How many versions of Drizzt name have you seen in the MMO's you play? I've seen a billion different ways to spell it.
There is crossover and I would argue it's higher than 5%.

Please tell me you aren't counting on the blatant unoriginality and rampant retardation in video game players to make your game a success. 

EDIT: Also, I am a genuis and the rest of the world are mouth-breathing fucking retards who can barely manage to masturbate in private instead of rabidly stroking themselves on the steps of the capital while smeared with their own feces and anyone who says any differently is one of THEM.

[Merusk]

Y'know, I haven't mentioned this game to my wife.. maybe I should.  She bought Salvatore's latest novel and was gushing to me about it the other day. (OOo Cattie-Brie and Drizzt hooked-up!)   I'll admit to a certain fondness for the older books myself.  The same sort of fondness some of you lot have for those crappy Weiss & Hickman novels.  God those are shit.

 

[Ingmar]

I'd argue the opposite:) How many versions of Drizzt name have you seen in the MMO's you play? I've seen a billion different ways to spell it.
There is crossover and I would argue it's higher than 5%.

Please tell me you aren't counting on the blatant unoriginality and rampant retardation in video game players to make your game a success. 

EDIT: Also, I am a genuis and the rest of the world are mouth-breathing fucking retards who can barely manage to masturbate in private instead of rabidly stroking themselves on the steps of the capital while smeared with their own feces and anyone who says any differently is one of THEM.

Hey, if they've found a way to monetize Barrens chat, of course they should run with that!

I do like the art, which is all I know about this title (other than the fact that I still haven't forgiven Curt for edging out the Giants by 2 games in 2001. That may be enough to keep me from buying the game!) 

[cevik]

EDIT: Also, I am a genuis and the rest of the world are mouth-breathing fucking retards who can barely manage to masturbate in private instead of rabidly stroking themselves on the steps of the capital while smeared with their own feces and anyone who says any differently is one of THEM.

The difference being that when you think this it's actually true.

[HaemishM]

I should probably stop being a dick and comment on the art. I'm just so good at the former. 

I like the artwork, and I'm certainly no fan of the photorealistic approach in MMOG's. What it looks like means a good bit less to me than that it actually runs without my computer handing me a crayon and telling me to "draw it my damn self." WoW always felt like I was walking around in an animated movie, and Copernicus concept art reminds me of that style as well.

But really, concept art doesn't do much for me. Details and gameplay screenshots, that's what I need.

[WayAbvPar]

She bought Salvatore's latest novel and was gushing to me about it the other day. (OOo Cattie-Brie and Drizzt hooked-up!)

 
 
 


As for the art- stylized is ok, but cartoony is really fucking annoying. Just thinking of WoW and the goddamned shoulder armor makes me stabby.

I am rooting for a good game, my personal tastes for the creative folks aside. If it is another WoW clone I am going to dance on its grave, however.

[Morfiend]

I really like the concept art the more I look at it. Will it translate, donno. But it really reminds me of the early 80s cartoons. Mix that with some blood and mature content. Ill buy it.

[Draegan]

By example I mean a past game that you thought had a good new art style for the time.

I think you're missing my point.  I'd prefer something fresh and new.  By that, I'm saying make something that doesn't look anything like what we've already seen. 

My personal preference is for realism, but I'm fine with stylized as long as it's customizable and has a unique feel. 

I know what you're talking about.  What I'm asking is what was the last game that made you say "Oh thats fresh and new!"? 

[WindupAtheist]

The concept art looks fine.  There just isn't much to say until we know more.  Also, I don't care what he says, I'll continue to imagine Schilling, Salvatore, and McFarlane making this game all by themselves.  Just running around in circles in front of a bunch of PCs like the Three Stooges going "SHIT DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO CODE?"  The image just amuses me.

[LC]

I can only imagine the number of times "like WoW" and "like everquest" have been used while designing this game. It's already clear that it's a train wreck in the making.

[Nebu]

I know what you're talking about.  What I'm asking is what was the last game that made you say "Oh thats fresh and new!"? 

I'd say Grim Fandango.  Considering the era it was made, it really inspired me.

[Trippy]

People have been trained not to read quest text. Text is obsolete, Audio is where it at.

Audio takes way too long. I always skip it and read the text instead

[UnSub]

The concept art doesn't interest me (although I saw a lot of similarities between that art and the concept art for the Lego MMO in the field shot - coincidence?  )

Really, it's all meaningless until 38 Studios starts releasing in-game footage. Concept art is pretty meaningless, screenshots are increasingly meaningless, so outside of actually playing the game the next best thing is seeing it in action.

And after that, the only questions that matter is "when is the closed beta?", "when is the open beta?" and "when do you launch?".

I'm trying to keep an open mind about Copernicus, but thus far it looks like generic_western_fantasy_MMO_345.

[Merusk]

People have been trained not to read quest text. Text is obsolete, Audio is where it at.

Audio takes way too long. I always skip it and read the text instead

No doubt.  If they don't give me a way to skip the audio and read text I usually drop the game before the first 5 hours.  I don't care how much you paid for those voice actors.. they talk too fucking slow.

[cevik]

I know what you're talking about.  What I'm asking is what was the last game that made you say "Oh thats fresh and new!"? 

I'd say Grim Fandango.  Considering the era it was made, it really inspired me.

So what you are saying is that, much like me, you are too old for shit to be relevant to you anymore.

It sucks getting old.

[Tmon]

People have been trained not to read quest text. Text is obsolete, Audio is where it at.

Audio takes way too long. I always skip it and read the text instead

I don't even have speakers plugged into my PC.  I generally find the quest text in these games to be too painful to read so mostly I just click next or whatever until I can hit accept.  I figure the quest log will give me the important information and if it doesn't I can find it on the internet.

[Falwell]

Holy shit Schilling, get an upgrade for those bracers. You're making my eyes bleed here.

But more on topic, I posted your interview with Jace Hall on our guild forums here..

http://www.onlyhollow.com/thegrubs/viewtopic.php?t=1744

I mention this only because one thing occurred that literally surprised the shit out of me.. Almost every one of my guys took you credibly.

See, our guys have been together for a LONG time (going on ten years for many of them) and they are normally picky, cynical, and extremely full of shit. When I told em about your venture here, the jokes started flowing. I posted that interview, and after that most of them put this project on their "now watching " list. The reason? The shirt. One of my guys summed it up beautifully. "If a guy who has that much cash will wear a billboard for WoW tanks on his chest for a public interview, he's gotta be legit."

Heh, good show ole boy.

[gehrig38]

Hehe funny you mentioned bracers, upgraded after our 2 1/2 hour Kara run tonight!

[WindupAtheist]

Wait, Earthen Ring?  You play on an RP server?  I'm so telling.  The other jocks are totally going to beat you up.

[schild]

That's a really big Sig you've got there Curt.

[WindupAtheist]

I should so make the Anakin meter my sig.

[Rasix]

That's a really big Sig you've got there Curt.

Fairly innocuous.  I see those all of the time.  It gets bad when someone decides to have a sig featuring every single one of their characters.

Start stam stacking. You're overcapped on defense.

[Signe]

Am I allowed to have a sig again? 

[gehrig38]

I can only imagine the number of times "like WoW" and "like everquest" have been used while designing this game. It's already clear that it's a train wreck in the making.

Like to put your "money" where your mouth is? You define train wreck, and let's see if we can't find something in common, and I'll bet you something VERY cool it is anything but that.

[gehrig38]

That's a really big Sig you've got there Curt.

Fairly innocuous.  I see those all of the time.  It gets bad when someone decides to have a sig featuring every single one of their characters.

Start stam stacking. You're overcapped on defense.

I already did the first:) Had that sig for my 3 70's and my up and comer, got pasted enough and lambasted enough to remove 3 of them:)

I do play on a RP server but it's not even remotely RP in any way, not that I have seen.

Ya, stam stacking is incomming but, and thankfully so, I have saved a few of my pieces of gear that were less +DEF and more Stam or Agi than some of my current items. I also have a pretty decent (IMO) set of DPS gear saved for that day that will NEVER come when I switch to a DPS spec for a raid....

[Mrbloodworth]

Here a good question based on the current conversation.

How "Gear based" is your game going to be?

[cevik]

Here a good question based on the current conversation.

How "Gear based" is your game going to be?

Keeping in mind that any answer you give is going to piss off about half the people here.  Either they will complain that the gear doesn't mean enough (see: AoC subforums) or that gear means to much (see:  WoW subforums).

Then they will all run off in a screaming tizzy and resub to EvE for a week.

[schild]

Earthen Ring is what Bat Country was on at launch.

[Mrbloodworth]

Here a good question based on the current conversation.

How "Gear based" is your game going to be?

Keeping in mind that any answer you give is going to piss off about half the people here.  Either they will complain that the gear doesn't mean enough (see: AoC subforums) or that gear means to much (see:  WoW subforums).

Then they will all run off in a screaming tizzy and resub to EvE for a week.

sush.

[Merusk]

I can only imagine the number of times "like WoW" and "like everquest" have been used while designing this game. It's already clear that it's a train wreck in the making.

Like to put your "money" where your mouth is? You define train wreck, and let's see if we can't find something in common, and I'll bet you something VERY cool it is anything but that.

Don't mind LC as he's a hardcore PVP-type.  Anything other than "Skill" advancement (player like FPS games or Character like UO/ EvE) is going to piss him off because it involves PvE grinding and levels.  He's not the demographic you seem to be going after.

[Musashi]

Anybody who ever killed Ragnaros knows that storytelling in MMOs isn't done in quest text.  And really, in WoW, that kind of storytelling started in Wailing Caverns and The Deadmines, and continues to date.  You can have the greatest story ever told, but if you don't engage me with it through more than one means I simply won't care.

As far as realism goes it's pretty much a retarded argument.  People who clamor for 'realism' are only fooling themselves.  People don't play MMOs for the reality.  They play them for the escape from reality they provide.  If anything, I worry from those screens that this game won't be stylized and/or artistic enough.  Don't make your game look 'real.'  Make it look 'good.'

Also, to Schilling, well... 2 things.

1.  Fuck you for doubling up the Giants in the playoffs on 3 days rest or whatever that was when you were with Arizona.  I hope you fall off a cliff.

2.  Finish your game no matter what.  You can McQuaid up all the message boards on the internet, but if the game isn't done when it comes out, then dudes won't play.


P.S.  I'm NOT rooting for you!  CLIFF SIR --------->

[WindupAtheist]

Finish your game no matter what.  You can McQuaid up all the message boards on the internet, but if the game isn't done when it comes out, then dudes won't play.

THIS.