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Reply #1085 on: November 14, 2007, 12:24:06 PM

Peter flying while getting crispy-crittered, as well as healing, phasing and actually trying to fight (while getting his monkey ass handed to him) was just about as much cutting loose as they've done with him the entire series, with the exception of future Peter.

As for Kristen Bell, her character just bugs me. Maybe I just don't like the minxy type characters, and will like her better when she gets turned good. She's no Maya, but Claire's more interesting to me. And Nikki when she lets Jessica cut loose. Right now, minxy is about as interesting as Milksop Nikki.

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Reply #1086 on: November 14, 2007, 12:54:32 PM

Interesting idea about her turning good. I'd love to keep her around, if only that we might see cameos from the now out of work Veronica Mars actors (you can keep emo boy).

I really liked the idea when Bob was talking w/ Nikki about how sometimes people's minds break when they discover their powers.  Maybe the same happened to Tiny Tits McShocks-alot.
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Reply #1087 on: November 14, 2007, 01:08:35 PM

Kristen Bell is awesome. And how can you not love a home schooled, undersexed, sadistic, shut-in psychopath? Take your meds.

Heh, I can think of a part she should play on that live action Teen Titans movie that Warner Brothers has supposedly given the green light to.

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Reply #1088 on: November 14, 2007, 01:10:21 PM

Kristen Bell is awesome. And how can you not love a home schooled, undersexed, sadistic, shut-in psychopath? Take your meds.

Easy, she looks like a smurf.  That freaks my shit out.

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Reply #1089 on: November 15, 2007, 01:44:08 AM

If Syler's power is not the same as Peter's (as suggested earlier) and he recovers from his current state, can't he, theoretically, knock out the haitian, eat his brain and become unstoppable?

As a matter of fact I swallowed one of these about two hours ago and the explanation is that it is, in fact, my hand.
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Reply #1090 on: November 15, 2007, 06:26:04 AM

If Syler's power is not the same as Peter's (as suggested earlier) and he recovers from his current state, can't he, theoretically, knock out the haitian, eat his brain and become unstoppable?

I doubt it because the Haitians powers might cancel all of his other powers. We still don't know how it works. Sure, he can erase memories as well as cancelling powers, but is his memory power the only thing immune to his cancelling?

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Reply #1091 on: November 15, 2007, 10:12:36 AM

Sylar is a big pansy without his powers.  He's not taking the Haitian down.
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Reply #1092 on: November 16, 2007, 01:16:38 AM

He is a devious bastard though. He might convince the Haitian to take himself down.
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Reply #1093 on: November 16, 2007, 11:45:19 AM

I just met Jesse Alexander. He said he was a fan (!).

Any messages for him?  evil
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Reply #1094 on: November 16, 2007, 12:51:07 PM

Ask him if Sylar and Peter have same power?

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Reply #1095 on: November 16, 2007, 01:43:41 PM

Kristen Bell is awesome. And how can you not love a home schooled, undersexed, sadistic, shut-in psychopath? Take your meds.

Easy, she looks like a smurf.  That freaks my shit out.

Looks like a Smurf?  BUH?
She is seriously hot, though her character in this show is a tad too creepy.

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Reply #1096 on: November 17, 2007, 03:50:33 PM

I finally watched it. Fast-forward through the Maya/bro stuff. More of the same, just adding the tragedy of his wedding (and his wife's behavior on the wedding day... bitch!). Bob telling Kristen Bell about Peter: "he's not a toy" and Sylar telling Maya's bro that his sister was a new toy: creepy.

I did really like the beginning when Peter and Nathan are flying. With the angles and the music/ambience, it really was heart-wrenching.

DL dying, not sure what the point there was. Maybe like someone said: for Jessica/Gina to come back and get scooped up by Bob. But then why have the followup comic book show him saving even more people in yet another burning building and talking about how he was trying to be a hero to Micah. It was the exact same plot.

Like others, I like that Bob and Company are ambiguous. 

I don't like that Adam had Peter's ear for four months and never told him how they were going to save the world. And then when he sees Peter in Montreal he says "we were going to change the world, remember?" And how did he escape the Company anyway if he was locked up for 30 years? Is he a plant? And with all that time the Company never took his blood so needs Claire's instead? Bob is a great manipulator, but that I find something of a stretch.

The episode felt rushed, but I think they cut down a lot since Kring's epiphany. In the old way, that'd have easily been two episodes with more Wes/Claire angst, Maya/bro repeat-a-loops, and probably another minor confrontation between HRG and Mohinder.
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Reply #1097 on: November 19, 2007, 08:24:33 PM

Well, Heroes did the quickest 180 evar.  Maybe the best episode they've done.

The ending was pretty telegraphed though.  Once it finally dawned on me what was going to happen, I figured they'd put it off until next season; I'm glad they didn't.
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Reply #1098 on: November 19, 2007, 09:07:18 PM

Ya, great episode. They have concentrated the good in the last 2 to make up for the previous suck.

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Reply #1099 on: November 19, 2007, 10:52:48 PM

I still wish we knew what Angela Petrelli's power is.

Lots of great character development in this one. Matt starts to master his power and then starts to enjoy using it, Hiro "grows up" more, we learn what we already knew about Adam, The whole Bob-Elle/Noah-Claire thing, etc.

Yeah, the end was pretty telegraphed, but still a nice twist since we're not entirely sure where he awakens. My money is on somewhere not good for HRG.

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Reply #1100 on: November 19, 2007, 11:54:33 PM

STAY GOOD, MATT!   cry
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Reply #1101 on: November 20, 2007, 06:23:08 AM

Well we know how Matt turned out if the nuke went off.

Also, saw Ando in a McDonald's commercial just now.   Sad Panda
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Reply #1102 on: November 20, 2007, 08:21:32 AM

Matt making slow slide into his father's ways was disappointing. I hope they get the character's head out of his ass and make him realize what he's doing. The Adam killing Sulu thing was expected, but for a few minutes, I was worried that they might have made Peter the killer. Of course, now that I think more clearly about it, that couldn't be because Peter was an amnesiac pussy hound in Ireland at the time of Sulu's murder. But Hiro figuring out it was Kensei was necessary.

For some reason, I honestly didn't see the ending coming for HRG. I should have, because yes, it was telegraphed a mile away. Still cool, though.

Peter vs. Hiro next week. I smell epic awesomez.

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Reply #1103 on: November 20, 2007, 10:44:58 AM


Also, saw Ando in a McDonald's commercial just now.   Sad Panda

Haha i saw that too, it was weird.  GREAT episode, they even managed to make creepy boyfriend West likeable AND usefull.  Parkman is going to the darkside, we already knew he was an evil fucker from the future episode from last season.  Two episodes left and the hispanic twins have served no purpose whatsoever yet, i expect something really lame and tacked on for them.

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Reply #1104 on: November 20, 2007, 11:07:55 AM

I've never read this thread before, I didn't start now (edit: ok I read the last page or two) but I wanted to voice my extreme displeasure that they fake-killed one of their few good characters and failed to kill any of their useless characters.

Bob = worst fucking shadowy company overlord ever.
Seresh (sp?) = god they should have ended him in the first season, he has become such a worthless idiot
West = for real?  more flying that doesn't look good?  I don't hate this kid just because he's dating Claire, he's also a lame 2d character.
Micah's cousin = god what a fucking travesty.
Nikki = I've been on the kill this gal bandwagon since she was taking time away from the main storyarc in season1
Veronica Mars = hawt but whoever is writing her character should be shot, it makes so little sense at times, fix that or off her while she tries to do something heroic.  Might be a good way to fuck with Peter which is always good for a laugh.

Basically the whole company plotline will continue to suck as long as Bob is supposed to impress me.  He's such a stupid doucher.

I do like that they are putting Parkman into a moral gray area, but so help me god if he tries to fuck with Molly I'll jump thru the TV at him.  Some good stuff in the pipe hopefully but I'm starting to miss Sylar because somebody needs to get it on with the killing off a bunch of these folks.
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Reply #1105 on: November 20, 2007, 11:59:43 AM

Matt making slow slide into his father's ways was disappointing. I hope they get the character's head out of his ass and make him realize what he's doing. The Adam killing Sulu thing was expected, but for a few minutes, I was worried that they might have made Peter the killer. Of course, now that I think more clearly about it, that couldn't be because Peter was an amnesiac pussy hound in Ireland at the time of Sulu's murder. But Hiro figuring out it was Kensei was necessary.

For some reason, I honestly didn't see the ending coming for HRG. I should have, because yes, it was telegraphed a mile away. Still cool, though.

Peter vs. Hiro next week. I smell epic awesomez.

What? Wait, huh?

I missed it, and its not on nbc.com (as of last night).

Spoil meh.
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Reply #1106 on: November 20, 2007, 12:00:45 PM

Basically the whole company plotline will continue to suck as long as Bob is supposed to impress me.  He's such a stupid doucher.

I have no clue where you get the idea that Bob is supposed to impress you.
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Reply #1107 on: November 20, 2007, 12:04:13 PM

Yeah, Bob has never struck me as the be impressed by him kind of guy. He's nebbish and dorky and runs stuff for the Company. He's one of the last of the original group and increasingly afraid for his life. The entire point of Bob, IMO, is that he'll also do what it takes to save his own hide/his daughter just like HRG and just like Parkman. This season has been cool because of the moral grey areas.

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Reply #1108 on: November 20, 2007, 12:11:41 PM

Matt making slow slide into his father's ways was disappointing. I hope they get the character's head out of his ass and make him realize what he's doing. The Adam killing Sulu thing was expected, but for a few minutes, I was worried that they might have made Peter the killer. Of course, now that I think more clearly about it, that couldn't be because Peter was an amnesiac pussy hound in Ireland at the time of Sulu's murder. But Hiro figuring out it was Kensei was necessary.

For some reason, I honestly didn't see the ending coming for HRG. I should have, because yes, it was telegraphed a mile away. Still cool, though.

Peter vs. Hiro next week. I smell epic awesomez.

What? Wait, huh?

I missed it, and its not on nbc.com (as of last night).

Spoil meh.
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Reply #1109 on: November 20, 2007, 12:40:59 PM

I don't care about spoilers which is why I told him to 'spoil meh'.
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Reply #1110 on: November 20, 2007, 12:42:04 PM

Matt making slow slide into his father's ways was disappointing. I hope they get the character's head out of his ass and make him realize what he's doing. The Adam killing Sulu thing was expected, but for a few minutes, I was worried that they might have made Peter the killer. Of course, now that I think more clearly about it, that couldn't be because Peter was an amnesiac pussy hound in Ireland at the time of Sulu's murder. But Hiro figuring out it was Kensei was necessary.

For some reason, I honestly didn't see the ending coming for HRG. I should have, because yes, it was telegraphed a mile away. Still cool, though.

Peter vs. Hiro next week. I smell epic awesomez.

What? Wait, huh?

I missed it, and its not on nbc.com (as of last night).

Spoil meh.

The trailer for next week shows Hiro coming up behind Peter with his sword to his neck and Peter goes, "Hiro . . ."

My prediction is that Hiro gets convinced that since Peter is working with the guy who killed his dad, Peter must be bad now, so there's gonna be some kind of "hey man, that dude is a douche, don't help him or I'll have to behead you" kind of conversation and then Peter unleashes on Adam.

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Reply #1111 on: November 20, 2007, 04:11:36 PM

I think HRG should have stayed dead. Adding the ability to resurrect characters seems really reaching to a show that already totters on the edge of dragging half the time.
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Reply #1112 on: November 20, 2007, 04:29:34 PM

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure Adam is going to die at the end of the season.
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Reply #1113 on: November 20, 2007, 05:11:04 PM

Yeah, Bob has never struck me as the be impressed by him kind of guy. He's nebbish and dorky and runs stuff for the Company. He's one of the last of the original group and increasingly afraid for his life. The entire point of Bob, IMO, is that he'll also do what it takes to save his own hide/his daughter just like HRG and just like Parkman. This season has been cool because of the moral grey areas.

That's the thing, he is so unbelievable as the current head of The Company, also the shit involving them has gotten consistently more retarded.  What does he run?  The worst jail ever for superheroes?  A rehab clinic where his entire plan rests on his juvenile psych tricks?  The only reason to be glad when he shows up is you probably get to see Veronica Mars and/or Haitian.  Compared to HRG, which you must, Bob is such trash as the guy running the shadowy organization.

All 100% personal opinion obviously, but I feel the need to stipulate that lest someone get upset and start trying to convince me I don't dislike his character.

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Reply #1114 on: November 20, 2007, 05:26:19 PM

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure Adam is going to die at the end of the season.

How?  Will Claire decapitate him with a sword with Queen playing in the background?

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Reply #1115 on: November 20, 2007, 05:42:16 PM

I'm sure they'll find a way.  Maybe Sylar will eat his brain.
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Reply #1116 on: November 20, 2007, 05:49:16 PM

I loved the ending of this episode. "Whoa", but not in the Keanu way. Great stuff.

Overall good episode, but agreed that Suresh either needs to find a superpower, have written into his character a purpose, or go away. His "moral compass" is really the only one on the show, but his more embodied in whiny one-liners than anything profound.

How did Bennett not see Mars shoot Wes out of the sky?

I really did like though that Bennett was shown to be the good guy he ended the last season as. It was cool to question his motivations, but I really didn't want to see him actually be bad.

I think Parkman will come around, even if he does a Spiderman/Venom for an episode or two. Molly will probably bring him back from the brink.

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What? Wait, huh? (re: Adam killing Sulu being expected)

I can't speak for Haemish, but I called this a few pages back (though we only new him as Kensei then). My own unstated theory was that there was no reason for them to spend that much time on that character without some future plans for him.

I figured he was the one to beat up Mom Petrelli too though, but 50/50 isn't bad.

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Reply #1117 on: November 20, 2007, 08:10:32 PM

I think Bob is the perfect character for where the company is. Remember that it was basically run by Linderman previous to his braining so Bob is basically the accountant now trying to keep things together and fucking it up royally.

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Reply #1118 on: November 20, 2007, 11:55:55 PM

Was it actually confirmed that Bob is the current head of the Company?  He doesn't seem that way to me.  High ranking accountant thrust into leadership position, sure.  But in charge of the whole shebang?  I'm pretty sure there are still some higher-ups pulling the strings that haven't been shown yet.

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Reply #1119 on: November 21, 2007, 05:38:20 AM

Ya, I don't think he's the big boss either.  I actually think it's Adam and we'll see a whole lot of OMG NOWAYS turns in the next episode or something.

Bennett saying that the company dies w/ Bob I think was referring more to the goldfarming skills that Bob has.  No Money, no problems.
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