Draenei + Blood Elf character creation video

[Simond]

Here.
ETA on first blood elf called 'Goku' ?

[Fabricated]

Is that the new menu music? I likes.

[Merusk]

The male blood elves actually look less fruity than I thought they were going to.  I might roll a male instead of a female (gasp).  Horde gets all the best looking guy races, damnit.   Well.. I guess Dwarves are tolerable, but then you have to be a dwarf.

[SurfD]

I just wish they would give us Blood Elf Warriors damnit....

[Modern Angel]

The dranei males look hideous in the character creation.

[stray]

I just wish they would give us Blood Elf Warriors damnit....

Yeah, that's pretty stupid. If they were going to take out anything, it should have been Rogues. Blood/High elves were always hunters, mages, and warriors. Besides Blademasters, stealth in WC was a NE characteristic, if anything.

I guess you can always hope for a Spellbreaker class one day?

[Furiously]

I just wish they would give us Blood Elf Warriors damnit....

I'd rather have a Horde Pali. I'm thinking about rolling one for PvP.

[Merusk]

Pallies are damn awesome.  No damage, but they're fucking cockroaches.  Took on 3 mobs 2-3 levels higher than me (they were 35ish I was 33) last night and came out with about 25% health and mana.  I haven't done that with anything to date, not even the hunter.  2 mobs, sure.. 3 if I trap on the hunter  and can kill the first one fast enough, but I'd picked up one and the other 2 added. Other chars that was a death/ feign scenario. Good lord they're crazy.

[Simond]

Edit: In reply to SurfD.

I don't know - I could see the remnants of the elven army being forcably made to retrain as paladins (for the elite troops), or hunters/rogues (for guerilla warfare & other such sneakiness).

After all, a whole lot of high elves got killed by the Scourge in War3, and then even more got killed during WC3:TFT...and a large chunk of the survivors then went off to Outland with Prince Kael.

It's pretty possible that there's simply not enough warriors left for it to be worth training new ones up - especially now that the elves are allied with the Horde ("Let the orcs do all the bleeding...they seem to enjoy it")

[Kitsune]

Is that the new menu music? I likes.

That's The Shaping of the World, it's on the soundtrack disk from the special edition, one of the songs that didn't make it in-game.  Dunno if it's being added to the game for the expansion or not.

[stray]

Edit: In reply to SurfD.

I don't know - I could see the remnants of the elven army being forcibly made to retrain as paladins (for the elite troops)

I know it's an old, hashed out topic, but I've still gotta shake my head at the idea.

Why retrain as horde paladins....Of all things? The silliest thing about paladins is that High Elves had completely different gods. A completely different worldview of myths and origin, etc..

But just forget that point. Nobody cares, I'm sure. How about this: If they wanted to convert and be paladins at all, then why didn't they do it earlier.....When they actually hung around humans? Why now? On the horde? With no humans or churches in sight? With nothing on their mind except death, demons, and magic addiction? Wtf are they thinking (This is more about wanting a logical explanation than griping about lore really)?

Thirdly, they had already undergone this rebuilding and retraining by the end of WC3. Hence, the slight differences between High Elves and Bloodelves. Their armies were comprised of archers, priests, swordsman (light melee), lieutanants (heavy melee), and sorceresses. The BE editions were Blood Mages and Spellbreakers.

As for Blood Elf Paladins in practice -- They could be fun if they were given some unique and/or early casting (dmg) abilities. I saw this one nuking Paladin (with tons of + spell dmg and high dmg trinkets to compensate) that looked like fun. If you could replicate a similar playing experience through skills and talents, that'd be neat. Otherwise, I'd rather be a Priest or Warrior in PvP.

[Modern Angel]

Seal of Blood.

[stray]

Had to look that up. Not exactly what I had in mind. It's a weapon proc based Ret seal spell -- That also causes damage to the Paladin him/herself. It's crap like that that makes Paladins feel so lame. Even without the negative effects, procs and seals aren't fun in melee terms, nor are they fun in terms of casting.

I was thinking of something more like Holy Shock, but that doesn't cost a shitload of mana, and isn't on a 30 sec timer.

[Morfiend]

For about a year now I was holding off making my warrior cause I wanted to be a BE Warrior. I was very disapointed with the fact they cant be. Now I dont know what class to make my BE. I think they look really good with melee weapons, so its Paladin or Rogue, but I already have a rogue, and I dont want to be a pally really. Also, the other class that BEs look really good as is warlock, but I already have a warlock too. Blah. Maybe Ill make a second warlock on a different server or some thing.

[Modern Angel]

Bit late in the game to change the mechanics wholesale. Setting aside the potential lameness of Seals Ret pallies actually get some nice damage boosts deep in their trees now.

[stray]

For about a year now I was holding off making my warrior cause I wanted to be a BE Warrior. I was very disapointed with the fact they cant be. Now I dont know what class to make my BE. I think they look really good with melee weapons, so its Paladin or Rogue, but I already have a rogue, and I dont want to be a pally really. Also, the other class that BEs look really good as is warlock, but I already have a warlock too. Blah. Maybe Ill make a second warlock on a different server or some thing.

If I decide to play the game come expansion time, I might make a Mage. Mages are pretty well set from nurfs for now, and the Mana tap+Torrent combo sounds cool for everything: pvp, grinding/farming.

[Simond]

Edit: In reply to SurfD.

I don't know - I could see the remnants of the elven army being forcibly made to retrain as paladins (for the elite troops)

I know it's an old, hashed out topic, but I've still gotta shake my head at the idea.

Why retrain as horde paladins....Of all things? The silliest thing about paladins is that High Elves had completely different gods. A completely different worldview of myths and origin, etc..

But just forget that point. Nobody cares, I'm sure. How about this: If they wanted to convert and be paladins at all, then why didn't they do it earlier.....When they actually hung around humans? Why now? On the horde? With no humans or churches in sight? With nothing on their mind except death, demons, and magic addiction? Wtf are they thinking (This is more about wanting a logical explanation than griping about lore really)?

Because they haven't converted to anything - they've imprisoned a Vorlon Naaru and are systematically ripping out its essence to fuel the blood knights abilities.

[Jayce]

(This is more about wanting a logical explanation than griping about lore really)?

Explanation: they wanted a horde race to be able to be paladins.  I really don't see a compelling lore reason.

Hence, this logical explanation works especially well if you really aren't griping about lore :)

[stray]

"They" as in Blizzard, right? Yeah, OK, good enough. Whatever.

I bet that Horde players just wanted some equability between Shaman and Paladin raid mechanics though. I'm pretty sure they'd want Blood Elf Warriors as well. Outside of raids and buff botting (which the majority of people don't care about), Paladins are the lamest class in the game. They just aren't worth the two sacrifices it took to get them on the Horde. Especially considering that it was all due to Blizzard's laziness (not logic).

[Jayce]

"They" as in Blizzard, right? Yeah, OK, good enough. Whatever.

I bet that Horde players just wanted some equability between Shaman and Paladin raid mechanics though. I'm pretty sure they'd want Blood Elf Warriors as well. Outside of raids and buff botting (which the majority of people don't care about), Paladins are the lamest class in the game. They just aren't worth the two sacrifices it took to get them on the Horde. Especially considering that it was all due to Blizzard's laziness (not logic).

/agreed on all that.

[Simond]

The only real way Blizzard had to balance shaman & paladins (if they'd stayed as 'exclusive' classes) would be to make them the same class with different names.

Which would have been a Bad Thing.

There is also the minor detail that a BE warrior with their innate mana drain and AOE silence would generate PvP whining at least an order of magnitude greater than the current 'ZOMG nerf warstomp/WotF/any other ability a Horde race has'. Blizzard won't admit this, though (because it'd open the door for whining about when rogues/hunters/whatever use it)

Also: Currently*, smartly-played paladins are a much, much stronger class than shaman. The real problem with the paladin class was people who should have bitten the bullet 18 months ago and rerolled warrior.

(*Post-TBC, all bets are off until talent builds and available gear stabilise. Shaman are getting significantly skewed towards being a DPS class, and paladins are being turned into real tanks).

[SurfD]

Well, when the expantion hits, i will probably make a BE rogue and Paladin, since i already have a shaman / druid / mage at 60 and am workign on an orc fury warrior right now, since BE cant be warrior.

Be rogues should be pretty fun.

Shaman are getting significantly skewed towards being a DPS class,

Yeah, some of the shaman in my guild were number crunching, and things could get very interesting with shammy classes.  Caster type shaman get some nice boosts, but they were saying that depending on how Windfury works with Dual Wield, Enhancement shaman with decent weapons could turn into nastyass bastards.  One of our guys described them as a woodchipper in terms of hits per minute things :P

as to the music in the video, i can confirm that as of the current Alpha, no, the music in the video is not the new characte creation music.

[Jayce]

as to the music in the video, i can confirm that as of the current Alpha, no, the music in the video is not the new characte creation music.

It's straight off the WoW soundtrack CD, up to the third song being another of the "bonus tracks".  The one in the middle (sounds like Teldrassil/Ashenvale music, called "Kalidar, the enchanted forest" I think) is/was a freely available mp3 from worldofwarcraft.com.

So yeah, I think the creator of that video added their own music.

[Zetor]

There is also the minor detail that a BE warrior with their innate mana drain and AOE silence would generate PvP whining at least an order of magnitude greater than the current 'ZOMG nerf warstomp/WotF/any other ability a Horde race has'. Blizzard won't admit this, though (because it'd open the door for whining about when rogues/hunters/whatever use it)

Heh, BE rogues are going to be even worse vs casters... garrote for 3 second silence, follow up with improved kick, end with the racial for 7 seconds of silence even without using any stuns or the subtlety 41-pointer.

I'm thinking it had more to do with being unable to determine how that drain ability would work with rage (if it gave 20-30rage, it'd be extremely overpowered on that count alone -- there's a reason rage potions were put on the healing potion cooldown very early in the game, the inner rage skill got scrapped, etc). Rogues already have multiple ways to quickly replenish energy, so a gain of 40(?) from the skill won't break balance too badly.

also, omfg nerf wotf. I'm fine with all other racials (cept for maybe shadowmeld), but goddamn. /vault


-- Z.

[bhodi]

Heh, BE rogues are going to be even worse vs casters... garrote for 3 second silence, follow up with improved kick, end with the racial for 7 seconds of silence even without using any stuns or the subtlety 41-pointer.

I'm thinking it had more to do with being unable to determine how that drain ability would work with rage (if it gave 20-30rage, it'd be extremely overpowered on that count alone -- there's a reason rage potions were put on the healing potion cooldown very early in the game, the inner rage skill got scrapped, etc). Rogues already have multiple ways to quickly replenish energy, so a gain of 40(?) from the skill won't break balance too badly.

also, omfg nerf wotf. I'm fine with all other racials (cept for maybe shadowmeld), but goddamn. /vault

-- Z.

There's no real way to get improved kick and dump 41 points into the subelty tree. You still need points in assasination or your rogue will simply suck, combat/sub just isn't viable as it stands now. We currently have 2 ways to regain energy, 3 if you count adrenaline rush (which again you wouldn't have in this magical anti-caster build) - Thistle tea and ZG Trinket. Thistle tea is fairly expensive and on a 5m cooldown. The fact is we can barely get through a caster's shield before we're feared, dot/flayed to death; Garotte does no up front damage, in general using that energy for a straight ambush is just better than opening up with garotte (unless you aren't alone, it would make an effective duoer ability). Hell, you can still cheap shot them and stun them, which is better than silence! In practice, an immediate silence prevents mages from blink/frost nova and priests from fearing, but you still have the problem of actually dropping them before their buddies target and instagib you.

It just SOUNDS overpowered, it's really not going to be. They've already nerfed the 'immune to magic' to 90% resist. It's still only 4 seconds, and it's more or less an immune-to-fear ability that you would pop in the middle of a stunlock. It's decent, but I don't think it's game breaking at all.

[Zetor]

There's no real way to get improved kick and dump 41 points into the subelty tree. You still need points in assasination or your rogue will simply suck, combat/sub just isn't viable as it stands now. We currently have 2 ways to regain energy, 3 if you count adrenaline rush (which again you wouldn't have in this magical anti-caster build) - Thistle tea and ZG Trinket. Thistle tea is fairly expensive and on a 5m cooldown. The fact is we can barely get through a caster's shield before we're feared, dot/flayed to death; Garotte does no up front damage, in general using that energy for a straight ambush is just better than opening up with garotte (unless you aren't alone, it would make an effective duoer ability). Hell, you can still cheap shot them and stun them, which is better than silence! In practice, an immediate silence prevents mages from blink/frost nova and priests from fearing, but you still have the problem of actually dropping them before their buddies target and instagib you.

It just SOUNDS overpowered, it's really not going to be. They've already nerfed the 'immune to magic' to 90% resist. It's still only 4 seconds, and it's more or less an immune-to-fear ability that you would pop in the middle of a stunlock. It's decent, but I don't think it's game breaking at all.

Yeah, I know... and I was more thinking about stuff like the 4-piece darkmantle proc or relentless strikes as a source of energy (buzz on the forums says that the BE racial will be basically a second renataki's). My point was just that 50 rage is a LOT more powerful than 50 energy, and I'm guessing Blizz didn't want to deal with balancing the racial for pvp while making sure it's still useful for pve. And you can't deny that BE rogues (if they get prep time to charge up the arcane torrent thing) are going to murder casters pretty bad, that silence is just like a WOTF that works on every caster, not just priests and warlocks. :P

I don't complain about rogues, myself.. there's a lot of whining on the forums about that 41 sub talent, but people keep forgetting that 41 sub means no cold blood or adrenaline rush. And truth be told, rogues DID need some kind of survival ability to ensure they at least get a shot at their target before being mowed down by an assist train. (for the record, my old main from nov2004->mar2005 was a 60 rogue, I just never play him nowadays... 700 ping ftl)


-- Z.

[Fordel]

Slighty off (on? :p) topic but this appears to be the Female Draenei dance

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1423511155465240761&hl=en

Have we seen this here yet?

[caladein]

Slighty off (on? :p) topic but this appears to be the Female Draenei dance

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1423511155465240761&hl=en

Have we seen this here yet?

At least it's not the Undead Female one.

[SurfD]

wait.  Undead females have a dance?  And here i though we were just fanning ourselves to keep cool.

[Fordel]

Maybe that's why you keep ripping your clothing around your knee's and elbow's, to get a little more airflow.

[SurfD]

Nah, its made that way.  Keeps us from having to constantly replace the joints due to bone wear.

[Simond]

Tangent, but not really worth making a new thread for.
Have some (alleged) vocal emotes for BE & Draenei.

[stray]

The BE Males ones are pretty funny. The BE Female doing the Murloc impression is funny. Wtf with the Draenei Bulgarians? None are those funny. Once again, the Horde wins.

[Horik]

I kept waiting for one of the Draenei to ask for "moose and squirrel". I did like the BE male ones, they were pretty good although I'm betting that girlfriend crack will hit a little too close to home for many players. 

[Furiously]

The "My mana tap..." one sounded like a different voice then the others.