Red Moon Rising newbie experience (old)

[dwindlehop]

Edit: This info may be out of date.

Don't buy a box, download the free trial: http://www.mmorpg.com/eve_trial.cfm

1. Join the F13 chat channel as soon as you have the button available on your UI. Space is no fun solo.
* Click the 'Channels and Mailing Lists' button on the left-hand toolbar.
* Click the 'Create/Join Channel' button at the top of the window that opens.
* Enter F13 as the channel you want to join.
2. Ask questions! The F13 channel is full of friendly people who will only mock you a little for being a newb.
3. Consider moving to The Forge. The majority of F13 folks run out of The Forge or nearby. Even without joining the corp you may be able to find folks to gang with. Makes those tough L2 mission and lowsec belts a lot easier.
4. Consider applying to the F13 corp. We have 55 slots open for new members. Ask in the F13 chat channel for details on how to apply. Or consider applying to Bat Country, our unallied alt corp. PM Viin for details.
* You should find very little trouble getting in a gang.
* The corp keeps tons of ammo and modules around free for the asking.
* The corp has a stash of newbie skills, again free for the asking.
* The corp builds ships at mineral cost.
* The corp buys all the minerals and ore you can mine/reprocess.
* Some corp folks are getting into PvP, if that's your thing.
* You get access to the super secret forum.

If anyone has other suggestions, post them!

[dwindlehop]

First person in a newb corp to evemail me gets 500K isk for reading this.

[dwindlehop]

Also, I'll donate a frigate to any newb with a subscription who joins F13.

[Yoru]

Might want to warn 'em that joining the F13 corp early in your development will probably result in a lot of grief, since we're involved in an alliance, and thus have enemies who can shoot you in "safe" space. Our alt corporation is a much better starting ground.

[Venkman]

I'd recommend Bat Country first for a few weeks at least while they get their skills and wallet up.

[Soln]

Also:  get Insured.  and keep yer Clone Current.   :-D

[dwindlehop]

Hmm, I never did say what my in-game name is. Perhaps that's why no one ever took me up on my offer.

Evemail me in-game. I'm Dwindlehop in Eve. Every newbie who evemails me will get 500k isk, not just the first. We have plenty of F13 folks in Empire systems now, so join the F13 chat channel and see if you can find someone to gang with.

Also, I can now be persuaded to donate a cruiser to newbs with subscriptions who join F13 or Bat Country.

[dwindlehop]

Oh, and if there are people with characters that are a couple of months old thinking about joining, F13 is providing assistance for corp folks getting into their first battleship.

[Furiously]

Hmm, I never did say what my in-game name is. Perhaps that's why no one ever took me up on my offer.

Evemail me in-game. I'm Dwindlehop in Eve. Every newbie who evemails me will get 500k isk, not just the first. We have plenty of F13 folks in Empire systems now, so join the F13 chat channel and see if you can find someone to gang with.

Also, I can now be persuaded to donate a cruiser to newbs with subscriptions who join F13 or Bat Country.

let me see... termination time on a new character is what? Ohh never mind - I'll just make trial accounts to make MILLIONS!!!!!

[Modern Angel]

I was thinking of resubbing for awhile. Need a change of pace from the WoW and EVE makes a perfect secondary game. I'll make a dummy account to cruise through the newbie stuff to see if I feel like reactivating my real account.

[dwindlehop]

Eve's biggest problem is that you can't sit down with a trial account and advance rapidly in five or six hours since it takes a few days to train up some skills.

[TheDreamr]

Brand new player stuff since no-one likes finding out their first character should probably be rerolled within the first few minutes of joining the channel and asking whether their build sucks...

Choose a custom career

At the stage where you're able to choose a name for your character there's a list of "jobs" in the bottom right corner of the window - make sure it's set to "custom" so you can create a nicer start for yourself.

Attributes

High Intelligence+Memory is good for industrial / crafter types, and high Perception+Will is good for combat types.  Charisma does have some uses but your first time around it's probably best to leave it as low as possible.

Roughly balancing between Intelligence/Memory and Perception/Will can produce some nice results.

The next step will also affect your attributes, so be prepared to come back to this step again to fiddle with your attributes some more.

Ancestry

Each ancestry option provides two free skills and improves your attributes further, the little icons by the side show precise details.

Choose whichever ancestry you prefer, but remember each one adjusts your attributes differently.

Schools

Now you're able to choose how to focus your starting skills, however since most skills on offer will be easy to come by later on you can use this process to raise one of your starting skills...

Selecting Military School -> Operations -> Command -> Captain Training should give you racial frigate IV, allowing you to use the full range of frigates your race produces and benefit nicely from each of their bonuses.

A lot of this

There are a couple of reasons to take this route;

1) Allows you to focus on building up the "small skills" that train quickly so you can build up a solid set of core skills
2) Being able to use a decent frigate from the start makes life, missions and ISK far easier
3) Racial frigate III is a pre-req for industrial haulers (traders / miners)
4) Racial frigate IV is a pre-req for racial cruisers (miners / combat)

[dwindlehop]

More brand new player stuff: support skills.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=299970 - good list of support skills. Read the replies for additional thoughts.

It's pretty easy to use EveMon to figure out what skills you need to fly a cruiser or fit medium guns, but it's more difficult to find out what skills you need to use the ship effectively. This list gives you a quick list of stuff that makes you more effective because of the skill bonus, not the ship bonus or mod bonus. I know it took me way too long to discover the Energy Management and Energy Systems Operations skills by myself, for example, but when I did my tanking ability improved vastly.

[Xerapis]

Is there any place out there with a character generator program?

Something that lets me see all the possible options at each step (preferably graphically) without having to try it all out on my own?

Hopefully that made some sense.  I'm nicotine-deprived at the moment.

[caladein]

Is there any place out there with a character generator program?

Something that lets me see all the possible options at each step (preferably graphically) without having to try it all out on my own?

Hopefully that made some sense.  I'm nicotine-deprived at the moment.

EVEMon's planning feature is pretty spiffy, even offers optimizations and recommends learning skills.

[dwindlehop]

I think Xerapis wanted a character creation tool, but correct me if I'm wrong. TheDreamr's post above is a pretty concise guide to creating a decent character to fly ships. Trading, fighting, mining, hauling, mission running, and PvP all require flying ships, so it's a very good character for almost everyone. The only type of character that doesn't need to fly ships is an industry/science research type of character, which are usually alts. Not particularly fun for a main.

The only decision left to you is to pick a race. Caldari have a subrace that is has a great balance between Perception and Intelligence with very low Charisma, but all races have a subrace that gets a Perception bonus. Pick that subrace.

For a main race, you have a choice.

Caldari: great PvP ships. Range-independent damage, lots of electronic warfare toys. Particularly effective without a lot of skills.
Gallente: great PvP ships. Excellent armor tanks, highest real dps. Short range.
Minmater: good PvP ships. A little bit of everything. Extremely good sniper, but takes lots of skills to do effectively. Best skirmish ship.
Amarr: not that good PvP due to inflexible damage type. Great mission runner. Best long range dps, but takes a lot of skills.

Of course, you aren't locked into anything when you make your racial choice, it just takes extra time if you want to switch.

[Xerapis]

Yes, I wanted a character creation tool.

Not advice, not a guide to max out certain attributes.

An actual tool that will show me all of the possibilities at each stage of character creation.

[TheDreamr]

Something like this?

http://www.wium.net/nw/evetool/

[Xerapis]

Why yes, that would be pretty much exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks muchly!

[Jobu]

So I bit the bullet and downloaded the trial.

Wave if you see a dude named Coalsack.

[Raging Turtle]

ONE OF US!  ONE OF US!

[Viin]

Make sure you join the F13 chat channel!

(Click Channels/Mailing lists button, and Join Channel, type in 'F13').

[Calantus]

I applied to F13 ingame under Calantus Reik. Add me. :P

[Moaner]

I resubbed after hearing about the new Titan.  I'll be in F13 and probably applying to the corp within a week or two. 

I'm Inxi Moans   :)

[Endie]

I resubbed after hearing about the new Titan.  I'll be in F13 and probably applying to the corp within a week or two. 

I'm Inxi Moans   :)

Just how many Titans does F13 have at the moment?  Just to the nearest half dozen or so.

[Der Helm]

[Moaner]

Hah!  Well I'm not joining a corp unless they have at least 4 titans to escort me around with.

In all seriousness I played for much longer than I should have yesterday and had a good time.  I have been missing the game for some time now but chose to try out the new EQ expansion before I switched subscriptions.  The new expansion failed so here I am.

[damijin]

After playing L2 for far too long, I decided to finally try out EVE with a friend of mine. We'll show up in the chat channel after we get our bearings.

Edit: Oh man, I might need a pep talk to finish this tutorial. My friend says I'm almost done but... wow.

[TheDreamr]

Tutorial can drag a bit at times, but it's all relevant stuff and when you're done you're better off than those poor bastards who didn't think they needed to read the instructions first...

[damijin]

This tutorial was crafted in the deepest pits of hell on paper made of unfunium and ink comprised mostly of children's tears and kitten blood.

I'm gonna have to close the tut and just wing it, because if i don't, I wont be able to continue playing.

[Reg]

Well at least finish the first mission series. You get an implant that you can sell for decent money at the end and it gives you a big boost to your race's faction which is also fairly important.

[Soln]

things is, 2hr tutorial aside, the game is one long learning curve.  That intro is the easiest part :)

[damijin]

the problem with the tutorial is that it's so much learning all thrown at you at once.. no real freedom, just on-the-rails learning for 2 hours or more.

for someone who is playing a 14 day trial and doesnt know if they actually want to play the game, that's a huge initial turnoff. I want to *play* the game to find out if I like it... not learn the game assuming that once I've been through all that work that I might like it.

Either way, I took some retarded mission to 0.1 space and almost died but made it back for some very low low reward. but it was fun.

[Tragny]

I may very well be wrong, but my understanding was that the implant mission series was broken when they took out courier missions in the last patch. Are they still there and/or back in?

[damijin]

I didnt finish the tutorial (obviously) but my friend did so that I could bug him for information that I should have learned myself.

He said he recieved no implant. When the tutorial was over he got some item, I dont know what it was, that he sold for 10,000 ISK.

So... broken, I guess?