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HaemishM
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When you say "THAT war in THAT place" though, are you just talking his specific place, or Iraq in general? Because there was plenty of "horror" there to write about apparently, from either side. I mean, sure, "action" can be a lot more remote in modern wars, but if it is, then good deal -- just don't tell me a story about it, where all I get is some stooge who was dying to shoot someone. The guys who do shoot or get shot, who do have a reason to beat their chests, are usually less idealistic about it and more cynical -- I'd rather hear what they have to say (if they'll say it). Not this GI Joe shit. I meant Iraq War #1 (not the current clusterfuck). In comparison to really... every other war in existence, it was extremely sane/sanitary/antiseptic, especially from the viewpoint of the typical American. It's easy to do the rah rah nationalist patriotism when the viscera is not being experienced. And this character did not experience it. He was as much a spectator to the whole war as the American public. Of course he didn't change his idealism about the Marines... he had no real trauma to base any kind of belief-altering experience on. Neither did the American public and guess what... 10 years later and we're right back in the same place, rah rahing as a country into a war we didn't need. Sorry for getting political, but again, the movie was about war as an abstract concept, but the reality of one particular war in one particular place. I didn't see it as jingoistic at all, more of a subtle statement of the point I just made. |
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Trippy
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How am I off-base?
I don't understand why I have to re-qualify everything I say around here, but here goes:
"Not everyone has demons like that".
I don't understand either -- I understood what you meant the first time. |
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I have another DS vet acquaintance who seems stable, I guess, but more in a stoic kind of way. I'm not sure if that's healthy.
Sorry Stray, not trying to attack you. The above statement just left the impression with me that you were trying to bend reality to fit your preconceived ideas about what war HAS to do to a person. Some people just aren't that sensitive, for better or for worse. |
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It all depends on what you see. It has nothing to do with how sensitive (read: "weak") you are. Way to fall into stereotypes that're quietly killing GIs when they come home.
Anyone who's seen real combat doesn't like reliving it and it's all a lot can do not to relive it when they close their eyes. This has been my experience with WWII vets straight up to current day when I can get them to talk at all.
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croaker69
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It all depends on what you see. It has nothing to do with how sensitive (read: "weak") you are. Way to fall into stereotypes that're quietly killing GIs when they come home.
Anyone who's seen real combat doesn't like reliving it and it's all a lot can do not to relive it when they close their eyes. This has been my experience with WWII vets straight up to current day when I can get them to talk at all.
I don't see being sensitive as being weak and didn't mean it that way. Here's another way of saying it, people are different. |
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Sure, some people are different, I'll grant that, I guess. I mean, Audie Murphy supposedly saw some serious shit, but still managed to adjust and even become a minor (and charismatic) movie star after WW2. Or maybe he just had the right stimuli after the war to help him adjust, I don't know.
Back to Television...
Jesus, I've watched Californication like 6 times now. Hank Moody is my guru. I identify so much with the heartbreak and self-loathing of this guy.
"Just take it from someone who's been on the frontlines: That shit is emptier than a Michael Bay joint."
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Watched the first two episodes of Generation Kill last night. I wasn't sold during the first, but was thoroughly digging it by the end of the second.
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I'n really enjoying it and it is staying incredibly faithful to the book.
One fun tidbit. The guy playing Fruity Rudy is the real Fruity Rudy. Simon has said they couldn't find an actor good looking enough to play him who could also deliver his spacey dialogue like it needed to be.
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I heard elsewhere that the redneck racist is also a real Marine. Not sure about the veracity, but it would be depressingly appropriate.
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When speaking of the MMOG industry, the glass may be half full, but it's full of urine. HaemishM
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Abagadro
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The guy playong Maj. Eckoff, the guy just below Godfather, was on The Wire so I looked him up on IMDB. Turns out he is a Marine and actually commanded the 4th Light Armored Recon in Iraq in 2003.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Ookii
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HBO is not safe late at night.
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HBO is not safe late at night.
It's safe. It's very safe. |
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For any of you that watch Eureka on Sci-Fi new episodes start the 29th.
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Signe
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I've finished watching all the Californication episodes on On Demand now and really enjoyed all of them. It's very funny!
Oh, and why is HBO not safe at night? The only reason that I don't ditch it is because of Flight of the Conchords and they have some really good documentaries. Their new series, True Blood, maybe looks kind of sort of interesting, too, although I'm not usually big on vampire crap.
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Ookii
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They have this Cathouse show that will foil even your best laid plans for that half hour.
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Abagadro
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Air Force Annie FTW!
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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WayAbvPar
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She scares the shit out of me.
I liked Isabella, at least until she started doing hard core DP porn. She looks pretty beat up now.
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When speaking of the MMOG industry, the glass may be half full, but it's full of urine. HaemishM
Always wear clean underwear because you never know when a Tory Government is going to fuck you.- Ironwood
Libertarians make fun of everyone because they can't see beyond the event horizons of their own assholes Surlyboi
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Ookii
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She scares the shit out of me.
I liked Isabella, at least until she started doing hard core DP porn. She looks pretty beat up now.
She is by far the hottest one there. You should post links! |
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I am at work, but a GIS for "isabella soprano" should turn up some extremely NSFW additions for your collection. For academic study, of course.
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When speaking of the MMOG industry, the glass may be half full, but it's full of urine. HaemishM
Always wear clean underwear because you never know when a Tory Government is going to fuck you.- Ironwood
Libertarians make fun of everyone because they can't see beyond the event horizons of their own assholes Surlyboi
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fuser
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The guy playong Maj. Eckoff, the guy just below Godfather, was on The Wire so I looked him up on IMDB. Turns out he is a Marine and actually commanded the 4th Light Armored Recon in Iraq in 2003.
Another major one from the Wire is the hummvee "rip fuel'd" driver (Ziggy from port themed season two). Amazingly good series so far, glad from all accounts the book is treated well by David Simon (Come on HBO produce Treme) (edit for Treme link) |
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stray
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Been watching it. Pretty cool show, I agree. As for the stuff I mentioned about chest beating, there was a cool scene in the last ep that I watched, where some marine was talking about his mom playing some patriotic country song, and he was like fuck that shit. He was a marine, and had better things to do. Good stuff.
The Godfather is fucking cool.
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Rasix
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Mad Men season 2 started tonight.
Season 1 was awfully good. The guy that played Don Draper did a hell of a job and got the Golden Globe for it too.
I recommend checking this show out.
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Jeff Kelly
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For something more low brow.
The latest Top Gear episode was hilarious.
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Signe
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Mad Men season 2 started tonight.
Season 1 was awfully good. The guy that played Don Draper did a hell of a job and got the Golden Globe for it too.
I recommend checking this show out.
I watched a couple of those because they were on On Demand and then I completely forgot about it. They actually were pretty good, in a kind of soap opera way. Well acted, too. I'll have to check to see if it's still around, sometimes the old ones disappear when the new ones start. Also, we're switching to FIOS tomorrow - just to see if there's any difference. It only saves us like $20, but we get that 20 up/ 20 down internet thingy and the first 3 months everything is totally almost free. |
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Mad Men season 2 started tonight.
Season 1 was awfully good. The guy that played Don Draper did a hell of a job and got the Golden Globe for it too.
I recommend checking this show out.
I'm not much of a television person, but I must agree. I watched a marathon of season 1 and was quite drawn in. The show is well made and has a great period feel to it. The start of the second season was ok, but it hasn't completely drawn me in. |
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For something more low brow.
The latest Top Gear episode was hilarious.
Uh, not sure if cars are too low brow. We're just talking about stripper and war shows, y'know?  |
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Rasix
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The start of the second season was ok, but it hasn't completely drawn me in.
It was really odd and felt out of place. I think this is mostly due to it being set 14 months later and us not knowing about how all of the conflicts were resolved. Looks like someone's going to be slipping up again soon though.  |
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Cheddar
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I watched a couple of those because they were on On Demand and then I completely forgot about it. They actually were pretty good, in a kind of soap opera way. Well acted, too. I'll have to check to see if it's still around, sometimes the old ones disappear when the new ones start. Also, we're switching to FIOS tomorrow - just to see if there's any difference. It only saves us like $20, but we get that 20 up/ 20 down internet thingy and the first 3 months everything is totally almost free.
We just expanded the line up in NY to include a gazillion HD channels. Also, the internet connection is rock solid! And yet I still cannot get it in my neighborhood. :( |
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Nerf
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Season premier of Eureka was tonight on Sci-fi, and really, really dissapointing. The whole thing just didn't make any fucking sense, it's a top-secret city that noone knows about, why would the DOD bring in the gal who coined the term "downsizing" to examine a bunch of research, of course it's inefficient, it's fucking research! Then the whole "this city has to pull it's own weight" quip, when last season they're explaining to us that technology Eureka developed 50 years ago is just now getting released, for fucks sake they have a fusion reactor in the coffee shop. Just completely dissapointing, the episodic storyline on the rogue drone was good as they always are, but where they're going with the season long ark is just  |
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Nerf
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New Venture Brothers this weekend, up now on Adultswim.com
Easily one of the best yet, definately the best of the season.
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Sky
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Been watching Holmes on Homes. I like when tv actually makes people's lives better.
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I just heard that Flash Gordon got cancelled and now I'm sad. I can only assume it was somehow the fault of the Welsh.
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Been watching Holmes on Homes. I like when tv actually makes people's lives better.
Great show, it's good to hear that you guys get it below the border. For those that haven't seen it, its basically Extreme Home Makeover, only without twenty minutes of staged crying, and with a real contractor instead of an overly flamboyant douchebag for a host. Mike Holmes/Ty Pennington cage mach. That, I'd pay to see. |
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