Severance - Emerald Dream PvP/RP (Horde)

[stray]

Instances shouldn't be just about the instance.  They should be immersive and create atmosphere from the zone in which they're taken.  That's the trick.  It should be a GOAL rather than just a loot run.

Heh. And from there, it goes downhill. Just a bit. Hillsbrad is easier on the eyes than the Barrens, but I'm not exactly sure what the current "theme" is. All the quests in Tarren Mills are kind of jumbled and story arcs like Elixir of Agony and Battle of Hillsbrad aren't leading up to anything too interesting. The only consistent thing seems to be chaos and the everpresent gang rapings every night  .

[HaemishM]

Instances shouldn't be just about the instance.  They should be immersive and create atmosphere from the zone in which they're taken.  That's the trick.  It should be a GOAL rather than just a loot run.

Heh. And from there, it goes downhill. Just a bit. Hillsbrad is easier on the eyes than the Barrens, but I'm not exactly sure what the current "theme" is. All the quests in Tarren Mills are kind of jumbled and story arcs like Elixir of Agony and Battle of Hillsbrad aren't leading up to anything too interesting. The only consistent thing seems to be chaos and the everpresent gang rapings every night  .

I think that's it. That's about all there is in Hillsgank, even the NPC quests. It just seems like it's about disrupting the other side, and that's it. Hillsgank really is better than the Barrens, except for all the Alliance who are 10 levels above most of the Horde in the zone.

Funny PVP story from Hillsgank last night. I'm trying to do the Moutain Lion Blood part of the elixir quests last night and engage a mountain lion. At the very moment I engage him, I see a paladin come into view. I run my cursor over him and see he is a level 32 (I was 23 at the time). I try to will him away from me with my mind, but he makes a beeline right for me. He doesn't even bother to wait for me to kill the lion, he just jumps right on me. I pop a few hits on him, but it's obvious the combo of him and the lion are going to win. So I hit Vanish. BLINK BUH-BYE BITCH. So the lion starts hitting him, since it can't aggro me anymore. He throws off whatever that spell is that throws off an area effect damage that looks like the earth has turned into a volcano. I don't know other classes that well. Luckily, I'm out of the effect range and stealth doesn't drop. So I decide that what's good for the gank is good for the gankee.

I pop an ambush on him and start whaling away with whatever I can put on him, the lion still pounding on him as well. Normally, I've got no chance against this cockmunch. Hell, if he'd waited until I killed the lion, I'd have fought him anyway, KNOWING I wouldn't win. But the minute he attacked me in the middle of the fight, fuck him, he just wanted to gank a lower level person and I can return the favor. I get him down to about 25% health and he decides he can't win. He pops his little bitch immunity thing and runs. Luckily for me, a pair of Hordies, a tauren and an orc, had seen the fight and joined in. We chased him halfway to Southshore, until his immunity wore off. Shortly after, he was dead.

Motto? If you don't want to even try to bother with a fair fight, don't expect one in return. Twat.

[Ironwood]

That's the thing.  I don't play on a PvP server, tho I constantly engage in PvP.  It's my choice and I'm surrounded by people making the same choice and the game is better for it.

I keep hearing people say that they can hit back at stupidity on a PvP server.  Don't like smacktalk ?  Smack the chap.

But that's a very poor tradeoff to the other type of stupidity you are then subject to on a PvP server. 

Your story makes me want to hunt the paladin down (in person) and eviserate him for real.  There was literally NO POINT in doing that except for making some other chumps game worse.

[HaemishM]

/meh, I didn't mind. I knew what I was getting into, just like I do every time I walk out of Tarren Mills in Hillsgank. Later in the night I got 2-shotted (yes, literally 2 shots) by a rogue coming out of stealth. He was ?? level to me. I had no shot whether I was fighting a mob or not. That's what's wrong with open PVP in a level-based game.

But if you play on any kind of PVP server, RP or not, you WILL be ganked by someone you have zero chance of beating. I accept that and will continue to until I get too frustrated with it. But I will give WoW credit for not only giving me that choice in servers, but even on PVE servers, it gives me that choice provided the other person is willing. It doesn't make me better or more l33t or hardcore than someone on a PVE server, it's just a different playstyle.

Would I like every player on the server to avoid unfair fights? Sure, I think that's honorable. But you can't "legislate" that onto people, nor can you expect them to seek it out in a competitive world. The only way you are going to make those kinds of fights even remotely fair is remove the levels that artificially inflate someone's power over another player based on time spent playing. And then we get into that whole Skill vs. level argument, and the whole MMOG community is back in 1997 again.

[Ironwood]

No, no, no.

I don't give a rats toss about unfair fights.  There will ALWAYS be unfair fights.

What annoys me is pointless fight.  This guy was so over your level that it wouldn't have given him CP, HKs or anything at all.  It ain't UO, so nowt drops, not even a Diablo Ear.

So why fucking do it ?

Well, to specifically and without any other goal, fuck up someone else's day.

This ISN'T a PvP/Carebear argument.  Those days are GONE.  This is a 'normal player/retard' argument. 

And I hate retards.

[Shockeye]

Pretty much all you'll find on Emerald Dream is retarded fights. Gank or be ganked. I prefer to do the ganking so I will attack whomever whenever. Am I happy being a retard? No, but when you're on the short bus you might as well drool like everyone else.

[HaemishM]

I wanna be special, like all the other special people?

[Train Wreck]

Eh...Actually. I'm out. For real this time.

Sorry to hear that.  I thought we would have made a good team.

[Train Wreck]

Gank or be ganked.

That covers it all.  If you let somebody go because they are a few levels lower than you, there is about a 50% chance that they will jump you in the middle of a fight.  Better to get rid of them.

[stray]

Eh...Actually. I'm out. For real this time.

Sorry to hear that.  I thought we would have made a good team.

Ah well...We'll probably game again one day. Who knows.

[Train Wreck]

Eh...Actually. I'm out. For real this time.

Sorry to hear that.  I thought we would have made a good team.

Ah well...We'll probably game again one day. Who knows.

Yeah, bro.  Just give it a couple day's break to let us catch up.  We'll be kicking ass.

[MrHat]

Haem, your story shows a big plus to WoW PVP.

Even with 10 levels difference (red con), you can still kick someone's ass that sucks.

[stray]

Eh...Actually. I'm out. For real this time.

Sorry to hear that.  I thought we would have made a good team.

Ah well...We'll probably game again one day. Who knows.

Yeah, bro.  Just give it a couple day's break to let us catch up.  We'll be kicking ass.

Heh. Well...I did give it a break already, and that didn't solve anything. I'd love to game with y'all and all that, but probably not anytime soon. That is, unless you're moving to PvE server. I see no real incentive to play on this one again.

I don't know if anyone's reading this wrong or not, but I'm not quitting because I don't like PvP. I love PvP. And for someone who's barely played this game, I think I'm already good at it. I can win against higher lvl characters fine, with only Paladins and the occassional Hunter being my bane (lucky I don't have to fight Shamans).

I'm not quitting because I don't have "skillz" or whatever. I'm quitting because I think the PvP sucks. It reaks of "pointless afterthought tacked on to the game". Even if we do it in groups and got organized, I'm not really seeing the overall point. Maybe if "The Battle of Hillsbrad" (or whatever) was actually tied into some kind of PvP conquest, where it actually forces Horde or Alliance further away, then hell yeah, I'd stick with it. The way it is now though, I can knock around alliance players on a regular basis, but all they do is keep coming back. With 4 more. With 5 more. With 7 more. And then the Horde side zergs as well...Rinse. Repeat. It's all pretty pointless, disruptive, and expensive. Hell, I can't even loot a goddamn corpse to help to support the costs.

The only purpose is for one side to go "I ownz joo" for 10 minutes, then it's over. "Owning" people is not good enough as far as I'm concerned. I want their bases and I want their shit. When I beat their asses, I want to make it harder for them to come back....But that'll never happen.

And like I said, in the same amount of time that I've invested here, I'd be at least 50 already with situational armor and weapons to spare on a PvE server. You can't really blame me.

[MrHat]

.. It's all pretty pointless, disruptive, ..

I never really thought of PVP as more than what I'd play if I was playing CS: a distraction and a chance to be competitive with people.  WoW has provided this to a P if you ask me.

[stray]

Yeah, I could see how that's all cool. In the BG's, that is, where you mainly get your fun (and which I can get on a PvE server as well).

Outside a BG, it'd be a different story. In CS, you're not fighting a mixmatch of different leveled players + mobs all at the same time. And in CS or a BG, you have specific goals (whether that be capture the flag, protect and defend hostages, etc..).

In non instanced WoW PvP, you've got mobs, no clear goals, no temporary "flags" to hold to push an enemy back, etc.. Most importantly: No risk (i.e. the chance of losing a zone, losing loot, or losing rep, for example) to make some players keep themselves in check. It's just a bunch of silly, unending battles (without a real, world affecting "war") that are for the most part, not about testing one's competitive ability, but about testing their patience (and I'll admit freely: What I may have in skill, I lack in patience).

[edit] Btw, if y'all like it, I'm not knockin' ya. That's fine. It's just that this is sort of a rant site and I'm umm....ranting. 

[Strazos]

This is why I wish death was somewhat more painful....People can just come back too quickly.

Also, Hillsbrad is a joke. Alliance goes there at around 30, but Horde around 20. Good job Blizzard.

[MrHat]

This is why I wish death was somewhat more painful....People can just come back too quickly.

Also, Hillsbrad is a joke. Alliance goes there at around 30, but Horde around 20. Good job Blizzard.

Alliance has 2 quests in hillsbrad.  TWO.  Only reason they hang around is to kill hordies.  Best bet is just do what I do, run instances, get lewtz.

[Merusk]

This is why I wish death was somewhat more painful....People can just come back too quickly.

Also, Hillsbrad is a joke. Alliance goes there at around 30, but Horde around 20. Good job Blizzard.

Alliance has 2 quests in hillsbrad.  TWO.  Only reason they hang around is to kill hordies.  Best bet is just do what I do, run instances, get lewtz.

Well, that's kind of misleading. There's 2 in Hillsbrad and several that involve Alterac Mtns. , I can think of 4 or 5 right off the top of my head. They're all out of Southshore, though, so they run up and down in front of TM a LOT.  They do have significantly less than the Horde, and they are all 30-35+ quests, though.. so yay stupidesign.

[Shockeye]

Stray, get your ass back in the game. We'll get you your 40 tusks, plus I have a crapton of great rage potions to give you and Palehorn.

[Cheddar]

Cheddar - "Arzhel" Undead Rogue, level 8

Cheddars buddy - "Urmine" Undead Warrior, Level 5

Obviously we will be going up in levels fast due to our noob stature.  I hope there is not a crazy decline in levelling after 20 like on other games. 

[Shockeye]

Cheddar - "Arzhel" Undead Rogue, level 8

Cheddars buddy - "Urmine" Undead Warrior, Level 5

Anyone in the guild can invite you. Send Paxx (MrHat) or Shadowfallen (SuperPopTart) a /tell since they have been on plenty lately.

[stray]

Stray, get your ass back in the game. We'll get you your 40 tusks, plus I have a crapton of great rage potions to give you and Palehorn.

Eh...just tried. I'm one bar from 33, so I figured I'd ding real quick. The minute I venture out, I get jumped by a 40 paladin and corpse camped. /logged off in ghost mode

Hmm..It's simply not worth my time. Sorry, man.

[schild]

What are you talking about Stray? Getting ganked by someone seven levels above you and corpse camped is how you spell fun.

[stray]

I'd rather work at McDonald's.

[Velorath]

Stray, get your ass back in the game. We'll get you your 40 tusks, plus I have a crapton of great rage potions to give you and Palehorn.

Eh...just tried. I'm one bar from 33, so I figured I'd ding real quick. The minute I venture out, I get jumped by a 40 paladin and corpse camped. /logged off in ghost mode

Hmm..It's simply not worth my time. Sorry, man.

Seriously man, you have a knack for trying to level in the worst zones.  You were in STV.  You're not going to find peaceful leveling there, especially solo.  I feel for you, but you have to know better by now that some zones have more high level alliance in them than others.

[Shockeye]

I've found the only times it's relatively safe in Stranglegank Vale is very early in the morning (3-5am Pacific). I actually got some quests completed in the zone this morning.

[stray]

Heh, just to clarify: I wasn't really planning on lvling. I logged in only to send some stuff out to people. Then I noticed I was only 1 bar from 33, with a blue/rest bonus at that. So I said, "Ah hell, I'll kill a raptor or two and ding". So I got to a 36 raptor, we're both down halfway on health, and a 40 pally jumps me. Dead and corpse camped (and when I ran back, there were even more lvl 40's standing there on top of mounts).

As for being in STV: I have the Whirlwind Axe Quest. It's a Warrior Class Weapon quest that, for all intents or purposes, I'm SUPPOSED to do. That I NEED to do (seeing that it hits as hard some lvl 40 axes). It's NOT some bullshit quest that merely awards me 40 silver or whatever. It's not worth passing on.

I tried once with Shockeye the other night, and we were wiped. He was lvl 36. We won a fight, but some fucking dwarves in the area just kept multiplying.

And that, to me, is fucking ridiculous --- This Quest is soloable on a PvE server at lvl 30.
 

[Velorath]

Heh, just to clarify: I wasn't really planning on lvling. I logged in only to send some stuff out to people. Then I noticed I was only 1 bar from 33, with a blue/rest bonus at that. So I said, "Ah hell, I'll kill a raptor or two and ding". So I got to a 36 raptor, we're both down halfway on health, and a 40 pally jumps me. Dead and corpse camped (and when I ran back, there were even more lvl 40's standing there on top of mounts).

As for being in STV: I have the Whirlwind Axe Quest. It's a Warrior Class Weapon quest that, for all intents or purposes, I'm SUPPOSED to do. That I NEED to do (seeing that it hits as hard some lvl 40 axes). It's NOT some bullshit quest that merely awards me 40 silver or whatever. It's not worth passing on.

I tried once with Shockeye the other night, and we were wiped. He was lvl 36. We won a fight, but some fucking dwarves in the area just kept multiplying.

And that, to me, is fucking ridiculous --- This Quest is soloable on a PvE server at lvl 30.

So now you have some added challenge and you're going to need some more of your guildies to back you up.  You have to earn this Axe rather than just being able to solo something that, as you say hits as hard as some lv. 40 axes.  I don't know what your quest entails but I'll be more than happy to give you a hand with it now that I'm in your level range.

You said in game that if you were playing on the PVE server you'd probably be 50 already.  I'll say in advance that I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if your big problem here is that you'd rather play on easy mode where you can level as fast as possible, and solo your quests, then go do it.  Personally, I bypassed Hillsbrad completely and I plan on doing that as much as possible with STV as well.  I enjoy the occasional PVP I've found in some of the other areas.  It hasn't always been perfectly balanced, but it's been surpisingly close the majority of the time.

[Shockeye]

Having cleaned out most of my STV quests, there was a bit more fun worrying that you might get jumped or being the one doing the jumping when someone was in the spot you needed to be.

[stray]

Well, it isn't that I want easy mode. I just want to "play". And being that it's an mmo, I like to have my efforts and time rewarded (I get nothing out of winning PvP fights, so I find it a complete waste of time for now).

Also, you've got to understand: I haven't been playing this for a year, like most of you have. I haven't seen much of anything in this game. I want to absorb it all in -- I don't care to be forced into some "other" game that reaps ZERO benefits.

EDIT: Oh yeah, as for acquiring the axe being "challenging": Well, there's 3 parts to it. Get 8 Liferoot (done), 30 Bloodscalp Tusks (soloable at 30, but the reason for my woes atm), and lastly, I have to kill a bunch of these Elemental mob thingys (lvl 37 mobs, I think) and a lvl 40 boss. The last part is plenty challenging, I think. I don't really care for having to fight a bunch of lvl 40 retarded dwarves on top of that. *Sorry* I guess I just don't have what it takes  .

[Shockeye]

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[MrHat]

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[schild]

That's a lot of work for an MMOG.

[stray]

That's a lot of work for an MMOG.

Apparently, you've never read one of my posts.