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Reply #2065 on: October 22, 2020, 07:06:08 PM

Finally caved and begun to use guitar plugins. Using Neural DSP and wow what a game changer. Using Archtype Nolly, Nameless, and Corey Wong.

They have a free 2 week trial for all their plugins.

https://neuraldsp.com/

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Reply #2066 on: October 23, 2020, 08:31:45 AM

Finally caved and begun to use guitar plugins. Using Neural DSP and wow what a game changer. Using Archtype Nolly, Nameless, and Corey Wong.

They have a free 2 week trial for all their plugins.

https://neuraldsp.com/
Cool, I look forward to hearing more about your experiments. I personally dislike technology in my setup, though to be fair I don't have a setup conducive to using tech for music right now.

I did mess around with the ASIO mod for Rocksmith, which allows me to connect my DAC to use as both DAC and monitor, which is cool. Except my flat response recording headphones lose the thump of playing through my sound system, so.... It does reduce latency and sound better, just not rockin' enough für mich.
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Reply #2067 on: March 11, 2021, 09:00:18 AM

I don't know how I managed to play bass for almost 4 decades and not get exposed to flat-wound strings.

I'm normally not too fussed about strings, I leave them on until they break or begin corroding. My SG bass still had its factory strings on it! I'm not really a 'gear guy', keep it simple and have fun has always been my motto. Since I've been playing a lot of bass the last couple years, I decided to put some new strings on her and for some reason I thought to look up a couple guys who I enjoy tonally, Steve Harris and Geddy Lee. Turns out both use Rotosounds, one uses flat-wound, the other round-wound. Since I've never played flat-wound, I loaded those on first.

As soon as I took them out of the package, I was pretty excited that I had found something revelatory...but I've played tape-wound (the black nylon wraps) on bass and they were kinda meh.

Flats are SO GOOD. I don't really care too much about the brassy tone, I play hard and it tends to be something I have to manage to keep from pissing off the guy on the mixer. The flats reward this with a nice full sound but none of the harsh high freqs and artifacts of round-wounds. And I was able to play a fairly normal session (an hour) without burning the heck out of my fingers. I slide a lot, and flats are a joy to slide. Both hands quite happy with the change!

Main downside is the set of RS77S flats I got are 40 50 75 90, which are really thin. I like CABLES on there (I play 11s on guitar, 13s when I'm in full form, I like the stiffness but also like to grab 2-step bends). The Harris signature set is a 50 75 95 110, which sounds about right...but they're long scale (my SG bass is short scale). The search goes on...

It's funny, because I think back to when I was in music school and was just tearing it up, technically. That was on a very long scale bass (I have stubby fingerlings) with roundwounds. If I had a short scale with flats, I would've been SO MUCH BETTER. Crazy.
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Reply #2068 on: March 13, 2021, 11:05:24 AM

I bought myself a bass guitar and a keyboard recently, to try to get back to doing some songwriting as well as learning bass and piano-ish. The bass guitar was an Ibanez beginner type (no idea if it's short scale or not) and it came in last night, so I loaded up Rocksmith and went to town. Turns out all those years of playing guitar, mostly as a rhythm type guitarist, means I was able to pick up the bass pretty easily. I'm not rocking Geddy Lee level stuff there, but punk/alt and metal bass playing seems to be much easier than I expected it to be.

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Reply #2069 on: March 17, 2021, 01:27:49 AM

I bought myself a bass guitar and a keyboard recently, to try to get back to doing some songwriting as well as learning bass and piano-ish. The bass guitar was an Ibanez beginner type (no idea if it's short scale or not) and it came in last night, so I loaded up Rocksmith and went to town. Turns out all those years of playing guitar, mostly as a rhythm type guitarist, means I was able to pick up the bass pretty easily. I'm not rocking Geddy Lee level stuff there, but punk/alt and metal bass playing seems to be much easier than I expected it to be.

good deal man.   I am contemplating buying a bass as well

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Reply #2070 on: March 22, 2021, 11:10:02 PM

Haemmy, Little Wing is an amazing song to learn to move through a chord progression up and down the neck, it flows beautifully and loops nicely. I got a massive boost in fretboard understanding by letting the progression change position based on linking that I learned with CAGED method. Starting to link with bass notes and melodies and stuff (copping a lot from what SRV would do to it, ofc).

Then I started to apply that to solos, using the chord tones and leading melody stuff I was doing with the rhythm.

Bonus is that it's the fiancee's favorite, so my noodling practice gets rave reviews...but once you learn the progression, take it offline and use it to stretch out to the far ends of your fretboard understanding and you'll probably get some more freedom to move around comfortably.

If you're into that. Sorry for the uninvited advice, I just really got a ton out of applying CAGED to it and can't help but pass it on. I still benefit from noodling it and wish I had known that stuff back in the day! Just saw that DLC pop up on steam and felt compelled  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #2071 on: March 24, 2021, 10:05:34 PM

I actually bought Little Wing Rocksmith DLC the other day when it was on sale, just because I figured it'd be a fun one to play.  why so serious?

I'm finding that simpler bass lines (picked) are pretty easy for me to pick up. Fingering it is a whole other thing that I'm going to struggle with, simply because my days of playing "Spanish style" classical guitar arpeggios for metal are almost 30 years in my rearview mirror. Not used to using all the fingers of both hands independently.

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Reply #2072 on: March 25, 2021, 08:34:53 AM

I'm probably not much help, I'm still working on my right hand technique after 37 years or so.

I might be over the initial glow of the flatwounds though  why so serious? I think I actually enjoy the way the roundwounds bite into my fingers, it's weird. Not sure if it's just getting used to the different feel after the aforementioned decades. I haven't managed a more in-depth session to mess with them, I want to get in the zone at some point before I make a serious judgement on them.

I'm also kind of bummed I can't dial in a good tone in the game. Partly my home theater setup is not great for music, esp bass (just a 10" sub that's boomy af). Spent some time yesterday trying to track down my old gigging bass head, because I used to get great tone with just 4 knobs (3 eq/1 vol). But I'm pretty sure a lot of my tone also came from running that amp hot through 2x 400W 15" EVMB full range.

Guitar it's relatively easy to emulate some good tones. For bass, it seems almost impossible! I wasn't happy with my sound before, but trying to compensate for the flatwounds has been pretty frustrating.
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Reply #2073 on: April 06, 2021, 08:47:20 AM

Managed to find the head that helped give me my sound back in the gigging days. Many heads were scratched when other bassist were trying to figure out my tone and I showed them this. I just went direct into this head and out into a 2x15 loaded with EVMB full range speakers. It's true what so many guitarists say in interviews about it being in the fingers!

https://reverb.com/item/29981533-listing-update-kustom-kasino-concert-guitar-bass-amplifier-head-black-and-blue

Now I just wish I could find one in good shape. I'm not a gear head, but I'm still salty that got stolen (along with the speakers. by my guitarist.). I've forgiven and moved on, but I've yet to find an amp I'm happy with!
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Reply #2074 on: June 15, 2021, 09:55:44 AM

Speaking of filling out my gear with stuff I liked back in teh day....I guess I won't be getting a new/old distortion pedal any time soon. My band was addicted to Proco Rat pedals, and one from the vintage that we used runs $400-800  swamp poop

These were just cheap distortion pedals back in the day, almost nobody around here used them but they're weren't rare or anything, afaik. Best tone in the world, bass or guitar. There are clones and someone is making the Rats again, but it's weird how much people will drop for some of the plain old gear. It's not like my old Casino/Proco setup was sought after, lol!

At least the Casino was a pretty rare amp, I've never actually seen another one in the model I had, until that reverb listing. Rats were pretty common on the west coast by the early 90s, maybe they were all the post-88 run (ours were bought in 85 iirc).
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Reply #2075 on: June 16, 2021, 10:00:04 AM

The reason is probably the same as why the Roland 808 goes for thousands now. They likely made them with binned transistors to get the distortion/sound they wanted and since the semiconductor industry has A) gotten a lot better at getting high yields of good chips and B) no longer making the transistors in question anyway, there is no supply of the piece that gives them the distinctive tone people want.

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Reply #2076 on: June 16, 2021, 10:39:35 AM

Yeah, I know. We didn't know how good we had it. I also had an 808. Sad trombone.
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Reply #2077 on: June 23, 2021, 12:51:24 PM

I just picked up one of these on my local Craigslist for $400 (with the footswitch!) listed as 'broken, for parts'.  They typically sell for $1k to 1.5k used on Reverb.  It's from the mid-90's.

When I got home it powered up fine, but no sound, however it looked brand new, even with new tubes.  I opened it up, and after a few tests, I realized with was a broken LDR that controls the master volume.  One $15 part and 10 minutes to solder it in, and it runs perfectly.  It may be replacing my Sansamp RBI for bass duties when running on the Green rhythm channel.


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Reply #2078 on: June 23, 2021, 01:16:56 PM

Nice find! I have a couple old pieces of gear I inherited from a friend's dad, one is a little bass kicker amp that I need to open up, because it's barely working and a fire hazard. Super gross, dog hair and smell...no wonder it got left behind after the estate sale lol. I did get a decent 4x10 out of the deal, not that I really need that at all. Should sell that and the cheap ampeg head that came on it and buy something like that Sansamp (I've been eyeing a DI from them for a while now, for my rocksmith setup).

edited to add: after 3 months with the heavier flatwounds, I'm never going back to rounds. I may opt for the mediumer gauge set. Which might make more sense if I had mentioned the set I've settled on is the 'medium' set of short scale flats from La Bella (but is the heaviest of the 3 sets they make in that style). I could probably lighten up the E and A a bit, they're honkin massive, but the D and G are just about right, so similar to guitar I may have to try to find single strings to make my sets (doubtful with such a small company, I may have to call them as they're in NY). String Gauges: .049, .069, .089, .109 https://www.labella.com/strings/category/short-scale-4-string-deep-talkin-bass-flat-wounds-bass/

Srslytho I can play longer, harder, and not have my fingers so beat up I need to take days off. In fact, I'm usually taking rest days because I play so hard I'm risking my knuckles!
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Reply #2079 on: August 03, 2021, 01:34:58 PM

I've been on the fence for a couple years about getting a Digitech Whammy DT, not so much to actually use it as such, but someone wrote a mod for Rocksmith that can use the auto-tuning feature via midi to auto tune for every song. A429? No problem, Malcolm. D Standard, easy. Only caveat is the need to drop the E to D for drop tunings, but even for that I've been thinking about a hipshot (they stopped making the model I need though).

But the $400 price tag before tax/ship, just to avoid tuning in RS? Yeah, nah. But I check Reverb now and again, and look for deals...it's backordered all over the place right now, too...today one popped up Like New on the amazon warehouse (damaged box) for $300, and I've been sitting on my amazon credit for a couple months (in anticipation of maybe buying a Darkglass Alpha Omega DI), so $200 later it's on a truck to my house!

It's kind of a silly thing, but after so many years of filtering by E Standard I got out of the habit of even bothering to retune for other songs and just stick to the E Standard end of the library. This opens up at least a thousand more songs, so it's definitely going to be worth it in the long run...as long as latency doesn't mess around (but reports are it's not too bad, relatively speaking).
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Reply #2080 on: August 26, 2021, 02:48:05 PM

Every now and again, even old musicians can have 'holy shit' moments.

Victor Wooten simplifies keys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3vYVGMgZYY

edited to clarify: by old musicians I mean me, not Victor  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #2081 on: December 14, 2021, 10:22:01 PM

Kickstarter modular pedal. Don't know nearly enough about guitars to whether this thing has potential or if it's total garbage, but figured Sky if nobody else might at least want to glance at it.
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Reply #2082 on: December 15, 2021, 09:26:22 PM

Oh, it's guitar gear snobs trying to get the same versatility that amp/pedal sims give you digitally without using a computer/DAW setup.

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Reply #2083 on: December 16, 2021, 07:51:47 AM

Honestly, that's the one selling feature for me  why so serious? The more I can get my other passions away from a computer, the better. If I didn't like pc gaming so much, I'd be happily living in a cave in the deep woods (with solar for my amps ofc, I'm a man in a cave, not a caveman!).

You would be hard-pressed to find someone less into gear than me. I never found any effects outside a very simple gain pedal (a proco rat ~85) that I kept for more than a couple days. I just like a fairly pure signal. My guitar rig was guitar - rat - laney stack; my bass rig was bass - kasino + 2x15. Simple, and the sound comes from the fingers.

That said, I've had a yearning for a Darkglass bass pedal for a while. If I /was/ a more gear-oriented person, I'd get a nice small amp and run a darkglass and maybe some compression/eq....so I could use it in conjunction with Rocksmith through my dusty old Scarlett interface. I've tried headphones, but as a bassist, that shit doesn't cut it. Need to /feel/ it.

Also, I may be forced to move back to guitar because I may be getting osteoarthritis in my right hand knuckles :( Or they're breaking constantly, I play pretty hard. And I'm hoping it doesn't lock up my left hand at some point. Thankfully I can still draw and paint without pain, but getting old sucks!
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Reply #2084 on: March 01, 2022, 04:38:22 AM


That said, I've had a yearning for a Darkglass bass pedal for a while. If I /was/ a more gear-oriented person, I'd get a nice small amp and run a darkglass and maybe some compression/eq....so I could use it in conjunction with Rocksmith through my dusty old Scarlett interface. I've tried headphones, but as a bassist, that shit doesn't cut it. Need to /feel/ it.


come to the darkside, I own this and love it:   https://neuraldsp.com/plugins/darkglass-ultra


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Reply #2085 on: March 01, 2022, 09:29:23 AM

come to the darkside, I own this and love it:   https://neuraldsp.com/plugins/darkglass-ultra


No more computers! I have my eye on the newer Photon pedal, though. They keep improving the darn thing!

https://www.darkglass.com/creations/alpha-omega-photon/

I dig the integrated compression in the new one, it's a pretty amazing looking stomper!
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Reply #2086 on: March 03, 2022, 03:06:02 AM

$519  for the new shiny hardcopy, or $50ish on sale for the digital version of the old one.....   I mean if I could have my cake and eat it I would have both.

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Reply #2087 on: March 03, 2022, 08:50:51 AM

$519  for the new shiny hardcopy, or $50ish on sale for the digital version of the old one.....   I mean if I could have my cake and eat it I would have both.
Paying a ~$400 premium (ignoring what you did there with retail vs sale pricing) to not use a computer to play bass is acceptable to me. I'd likely recoup most of that money if I needed to, because DG hardware sells like hotcakes on the secondary market.

None of that matters since no place near me stocks DG stuff (or really any decent bass DI stuff), and I'd really like to a/b a slew of pedals before picking one, as I do hate reselling gear. Also, the photon puts in a decent (not great) compression circuit into the mix, one reason it's attractive to me - one less piece of gear to deal with. In fact, you're getting a lot for that extra dough, it's a standalone interface, as well.

Part of it is updating the sound, sure, but part of it is getting an ASIO setup for Rocksmith (to reduce latency and improve tone) WITHOUT involving any more computer bullshit. But if I can't get a decent setup for that, I'd still need something like it in an ABY setup to route the bass to an amp and get some tone on it. Problem with chasing my tone is that NOBODY is modeling an old Kasino Concert amp head through a Peavey 2x15 with 2 full range 400W EV speakers played at 11.
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Reply #2088 on: March 09, 2022, 01:38:11 PM

I was recently commissioned to design a custom tube guitar amp.  The basic requirements:

1) 50W output
2) Two channels - first channel is based on basic Fender Twin, second channel is Dumble overdrive based
3) Effects loop that can accept either a) pedals as preamps, b) external preamps

I'll post some sound clips when it's completely in it's cabinet.






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Reply #2089 on: March 09, 2022, 01:42:05 PM

Nice!
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Reply #2090 on: March 09, 2022, 03:16:32 PM

Will it have knobs that go to 11?

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Reply #2091 on: March 11, 2022, 01:36:22 AM

broken images for me and would really like to see what you are building.  and yes... knobs that go to 11... or... a hidden knob in the back that goes to 11 that doesn't do anything cept maybe turn on some LEDs  gotta get that RGB in the guitar cab  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

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Reply #2092 on: March 11, 2022, 08:37:17 AM

Broken images for me as well. I like the idea for the circuits though!
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Reply #2093 on: March 11, 2022, 09:22:53 AM

Does that work?

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Reply #2094 on: March 11, 2022, 02:23:17 PM

Does that work?
Hnnngh ooo yeah that works for me.

I love tubes and point-to-point wiring. Hell, I should probably give up on that Kasino amp I talk about and just look for a schematic and build one.
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Reply #2095 on: April 01, 2022, 01:30:01 PM

So now I'm thinking I might have a reason to get the Darkglass  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

I've been running through a few Rocksmith setups to find something better than the stock 'realtone cable into pc output to home theater' I've been using all along.

ASIO is a cool option and I have an old Scarlett interface that works well with it. But I've been struggling to get the output to my receiver and I hate headphones (no thump, way too much treble directly on my damaged ears). No way I've found yet to split and route the signal from the pc (game/backing track to receiver, bass to amp). I think my only option for using ASIO would be a little PA setup, and I don't have any need for that in general. Most people using ASIO seem to be using headphones. The main benefit to me would be getting the in-game tone programming...which I don't really use anyway, just use my own custom tone for everything.

I decided to simplify my thought process. To test proof of concept, used a crap Y splitter to split the input between the realtone cable to the pc and a stock cable to amp (a crap Kasino 8" I got for free and is not good, I put an old Fulltone OD in front of it just so I could get through the testing). Turned down in-game bass audio to 0. Good enough to prove the concept works.

So now comes the expensive parts, because I'm probably going to want an amp. I have an old Crate 12" kicker-style combo that's really messed up (I got for free from the same estate), so I don't think my meager electrical skills are up to fix that. So maybe a little Rumble or something, I dunno. Basically I want the richer lows of a big speaker (I prefer 15s) without so much volume it summons the cops at midnight. Then the DG to tone it and something like a Saturnworks ABY to split it better.

Works pretty good. I think with a better amp and the DG for compression/dirt I've solved the upgrade path. Also a cleaner splitter, I'm looking at the
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Reply #2096 on: April 10, 2022, 02:54:55 PM

aaaawwww yissssssss DG test 1 complete.

The interface/layout works ok, a bit weird but whatever. I tweaked the 3 presets to a clean, dirt, and od setup (they were kinda close already). Spent a few minutes dialing them in while jamming in Rocksmith, then just enjoyed having a simple 3-button solution that also had a nice tweakability without messing with the presets. Cool. Actually perfect for how I've been playing (using 3 presets in Rocksmith, but no tweakability oh and garbage tones). I'll need to spend more time of course, but so far I'm impressed.

Works perfectly in Rocksmith, as well. It has 2 balanced 1/4" outs, so there's my splitter (realtone to pc, line to amp). RS reads the notes about as well as it ever does with bass. Also, the Whammy DT sounds fantastic, I just put Sleep Dragonaut in my favorites list because it was sofa king crisp and dirty with my test dirt pre. Before it was muddy af (and not the good way). And best of all, it's really quiet on the line and makes the busted old amp sound good enough to convince me I don't need a new amp. Though I may dust off my fender 12" for the verb and vibrato (we'll see how that goes over in the living room heh).
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Reply #2097 on: May 23, 2022, 09:26:10 AM

If you like gypsy jazz, Stephane Wrembel has released a ton of playalong backing tracks on youtube (notation on his site for each): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0SnbbdCiY_H3o2I4-LQWMo9VBTFzpYBc
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