Episode 3

[eldaec]

Worth remembering that this is a promotional interview, and that large numbers of 'the normals' actually liked Titantic.

Aiming promotional utterances at 'our people' would seem somewhat pointless given the amount of awareness and opinion that already exists amongst us.

So I wouldn't read much into this.

Still sticking to my prediction of...

Great visuals
Great action
Good story/concept
Mixed Acting
Shit script

[Riggswolfe]

You guys must work hard to be this fucking jaded. Titanic only good for the "normals"  IE if you liked it you must be a member of the unwashed masses. Get the fuck over yourselves and your half-ass artiste wannabe selves.

[HaemishM]

Are you going to try to tell me that Titanic WASN'T a steaming pile of shitty performances, awful script-writing and 20 minutes of decent special effects?

[eldaec]

Titanic only good for the "normals"  IE if you liked it you must be a member of the unwashed masses. Get the fuck over yourselves and your half-ass artiste wannabe selves.

Fucking hell.

It has very little to do with having half-ass artiste wannabe selves, and a great deal to with the fact that titanic...

1) Didn't involve any shit getting blowed up.
2) Was a romantic period piece.
3) Didn't involve any shit getting blowed up.
4) Had Leonardo di Caprio in it.
5) Was aimed at 45 year old female Daily Mail readers. And their international equivalents.
6) Also, no shit, getting blown up.

None of those things endear a film to people who post on a gaming site. The denizens of this particular pit are about as far away from the target demographic of Titanic as it is possible to be.

Half assed artiste wannabes would probably spend consider Titanic a more suitable subject for a seven page thread than a star wars *trailer* for fucks sake. Also, on the subject of posts trying to accuse people of sticking their nose up at popular culture, you shouldn't post them in a seven page thread about a star wars trailer, because it makes you look like a damn fool.

For what it's worth, within the genre of romantic period pieces written to appeal to 45 year old female Daily Mail readers with Leonardo di Caprio in them and no shit whatsoever being exploded, I didn't think Titanic was all that bad. Too long, somewhat pointless, and a little too worthy, but there are worse films.

Somehow I remain unconvinced that modeling a star wars film on Titanic would be wise. But it's reasonable to dismiss the Lucas comment as promotional flimflam.

[Mortriden]

At this point virtually nothing Lucas does to his film would completely surprise me.

[Riggswolfe]

Eldeac,

well most of the posts haven't been geeky "cool I can't wait to see it posts" but "George Lucas sucks and you couldn't pay me to see it. " So really, I'm not to far off. This is a weird website what can I Say. Most of you don't fit the gamer stereotype when it comes to movies. You abhor most movies that you'd be expected to love.

Titanic isn't the greatest movie ever made, but it's nowhere close to what ole Haem claims it is. Hyperbole for the win!

[WayAbvPar]

Eldeac,

well most of the posts haven't been geeky "cool I can't wait to see it posts" but "George Lucas sucks and you couldn't pay me to see it. " So really, I'm not to far off. This is a weird website what can I Say. Most of you don't fit the gamer stereotype when it comes to movies. You abhor most movies that you'd be expected to love.

Titanic isn't the greatest movie ever made, but it's nowhere close to what ole Haem claims it is. Hyperbole for the win!

No, I think you are the outlier here, Riggs. Literally the only people I know who DIDN'T hate Titanic are women over 50 and my sister, who is a Celine Dion fan (which tells me she must be adopted). It was incredibly long, overly maudlin, and completely predictable (other than the boat sinking- I never saw that coming). It was pure crap.

[schild]

Eldeac,

well most of the posts haven't been geeky "cool I can't wait to see it posts" but "George Lucas sucks and you couldn't pay me to see it. " So really, I'm not to far off. This is a weird website what can I Say. Most of you don't fit the gamer stereotype when it comes to movies. You abhor most movies that you'd be expected to love.

Titanic isn't the greatest movie ever made, but it's nowhere close to what ole Haem claims it is. Hyperbole for the win!

Titanic sucked puss out of anal warts. The movie was shitty, awful crap. But it was pretty. I'll grant them that. No, wait, the better word to describe it would be majestic. It was a majestic piece of puss-sucking shit.

[Roac]

None of those things endear a film to people who post on a gaming site.

This isn't a gaming site.  Most of the people here hate games, or at least are doing everything in their power to express such.  Every MMOG that comes out sucks, every console game blows because PCs are better, every PC game sucks because it's bug ridden crap, every movie blows goats because either the director is crappy, the content is crappy, the actors are crappy, or the story is crappy - but it will be at least one of those, and it will override everything else possibly considered good.  Politicians are all stupid (every last one), western culture is broken beyond repair, and every other culture is full of backward thinking mimes who deserve riddicule.

This isn't a game site, it's a hate site.  The only thing keeping the site admins from going goth is that labels and categories are something else they get to hate.

[stray]

I like Zydeco at least. Am I the exception?

edit: Yes, this site could do with more positivity. Just because the world has a neverending supply of shit doesn't mean we have to wallow in it.

[Triforcer]

None of those things endear a film to people who post on a gaming site.

This isn't a gaming site.  Most of the people here hate games, or at least are doing everything in their power to express such.  Every MMOG that comes out sucks, every console game blows because PCs are better, every PC game sucks because it's bug ridden crap, every movie blows goats because either the director is crappy, the content is crappy, the actors are crappy, or the story is crappy - but it will be at least one of those, and it will override everything else possibly considered good.  Politicians are all stupid (every last one), western culture is broken beyond repair, and every other culture is full of backward thinking mimes who deserve riddicule.

"This isn't a game site, it's a hate site.  The only thing keeping the site admins from going goth is that labels and categories are something else they get to hate.

"Woah, there's Homer Simpson...he's "cool"."

"Are you being "sarcastic", dude?"

"....I don't even know anymore." 

[Paelos]

I like Zydeco at least. Am I the exception?

edit: Yes, this site could do with more positivity. Just because the world has a neverending supply of shit doesn't mean we have to wallow in it.

I find Useless News very uplifting...

In that I still have attached genitals.

[Riggswolfe]

Roac, you're my hero. You expressed what I've noticed in a much better manner than I could do.

Titanic wasn't the greatest, but it was entertaining. I'm an outlier on this site. Nothing wrong with that. Somebody has to not be a hater to provide a counterpoint.

[schild]

Edit: Yes, this site could do with more positivity.

The last time I tried to be vaguely positive it got thrown in my face. Oh oh, it happened the time before that as well.

Just because the world has a neverending supply of shit doesn't mean we have to wallow in it.

The Matrix Online has it's own forum. We're not just wallowing in it, we're using it as soap. Wait, it's too early to pass judgement. I must restrain myself.

Titanic wasn't the greatest, but it was entertaining. I'm an outlier on this site. Nothing wrong with that. Somebody has to not be a hater to provide a counterpoint.

One of my friends in high school saw Titanic 7 times. She was incredibly hot and when she invited me, I went, and it was all for the nookie. Then she started crying at the end. I'm staring at the screen like some sort of vegatable trying to keep my jaw from falling off. I couldn't believe the 3 hours of shit I'd just sat through. The Rock was entertaining. Men In Black I was entertaining. Con Air was entertaining. Titanic was not entertaining. It was like divine punishment from above. Someone had upset the gods of cinema, so they decided to unleash that tour of evil upon the world. This isn't about being a hater, this is simply about bad movies. Titanic is just one of many.

[HaemishM]

You know, we don't hate EVERYTHING. I've expressed my manlove for Robert Rodriguez, I still play and pay for City of Heroes, and think that both KotOR and Splinter Cell are the shiznit.

The truth is most MMOG's suck ass, and Titanic was a great big barrel of floppy donkey dongs. Sure, lots of people like it, and there's nothing wrong with that, other than an unhealthy ability to listen to Celine Dion without throwing up. Episode 2 made a mint, and it sucked large mounds of floppy donkey dong.

There are many things that are bad that people like nonetheless. Would it help if I told you that I think James Cameron is one of the greatest technician directors (i.e. a director whose technical chops, with film choice, choice of lighting, choice of the technology used in filming are superb) ever. I just feel that his entirety of work before Titanic was better work by a metric fuckton.

[Jayce]

This isn't a game site, it's a hate site.  The only thing keeping the site admins from going goth is that labels and categories are something else they get to hate.

I guess you don't "get" this community.

The hate serves two purposes: one, it scares away retards for the most part, so that the signal-to-noise maintains a healthy level.

Two, it lets us indulge our penchant for hyperbole.  Really, most of the people who post here don't go around red-faced and popping blood vessels like their posts would seem to indicate.  But as Sturgeon said, 99% of everything is crap.  We just like to point it out here.

[schild]

Speaking of hate:

LAS VEGAS (Hollywood Reporter) - George Lucas is such a fan of the latest 3-D technology that he is planning to remaster all of the "Star Wars" films for rerelease in 3-D.

Appearing as part of a sextet of high-profile directors promoting 3-D and digital cinema at film industry convention ShoWest on Thursday, Lucas said he hadn't yet committed to a precise schedule but hoped to have the first film ready for the 30th anniversary of the original "Star Wars" movie in 2007 and that he would then rerelease one "Star Wars" film per year in 3-D.

Hahahhahahaha. Get your 3d glasses out. Man, he sucks.

And Jayce is right, the problem is, once we start praising something we're either "selling out," "a bunch of fanbois," or whatever. Honestly, I like more games than most of the people here, probably. But it's a lot more fun to bash the stinky poo ones.

[schild]

At this point virtually nothing Lucas does to his film would completely surprise me.

He's remaking them all in 3d. Oh wait, I already said that. Consider yourself quoted.

[WayAbvPar]

Speaking of hate:

LAS VEGAS (Hollywood Reporter) - George Lucas is such a fan of the latest 3-D technology that he is planning to remaster all of the "Star Wars" films for rerelease in 3-D.

Appearing as part of a sextet of high-profile directors promoting 3-D and digital cinema at film industry convention ShoWest on Thursday, Lucas said he hadn't yet committed to a precise schedule but hoped to have the first film ready for the 30th anniversary of the original "Star Wars" movie in 2007 and that he would then rerelease one "Star Wars" film per year in 3-D.

Hahahhahahaha. Get your 3d glasses out. Man, he sucks.

And Jayce is right, the problem is, once we start praising something we're either "selling out," "a bunch of fanbois," or whatever. Honestly, I like more games than most of the people here, probably. But it's a lot more fun to bash the stinky poo ones.

Dear sweet Christ. This is like that South Park episode. Except real, and more horrifying.

[Paelos]

And Jayce is right, the problem is, once we start praising something we're either "selling out," "a bunch of fanbois," or whatever. Honestly, I like more games than most of the people here, probably. But it's a lot more fun to bash the stinky poo ones.

Honestly, I think it is more when people start praising things that aren't even released yet. That's when the fanboi comments rear the head.

[schild]

And Jayce is right, the problem is, once we start praising something we're either "selling out," "a bunch of fanbois," or whatever. Honestly, I like more games than most of the people here, probably. But it's a lot more fun to bash the stinky poo ones.

Honestly, I think it is more when people start praising things that aren't even released yet. That's when the fanboi comments rear the head.

Like what? The PSP? You'd have to be a goddamned boring fool to not be excited about the PSP. It's the second coming of robot jesus and every fan of handhelds either knows it or is in denial.

[Roac]

I guess you don't "get" this community.

Eh?  I "get" it just fine.  I didn't post that as a revelation, I posted it as an (for me) amusing response to eldaec, as well as got in my thoughts about the Titanic.  More effective than saying what I wanted to say, which was more along the lines of "I mostly liked it, especially considering I don't care for romance-dramas, but my first viewing was the moment I decided I don't like DeCaprio.  At all." It's also just a statement of fact - most of the threads here are hate threads.

The hate serves two purposes

No, it only serves one purpose, and schild hit on it.  It's more fun to crap on things than to praise things, or discuss things.  That's all.  No mystery.  Just us expressing everything about what we see as broken, in the very method that makes them broken.

[schild]

The hate serves two purposes

No, it only serves one purpose, and schild hit on it.  It's more fun to crap on things than to praise things, or discuss things.  That's all.  No mystery.  Just us expressing everything about what we see as broken, in the very method that makes them broken.

You see, I try to give nice things and they get chucked in my face. Originally my post was going to have a list of games I enjoyed over the last 6 months. After I'd listed about 30 I realized the list had gone on too long and people would accuse me of just making it up or someshit. This is just another classic example of selective reading. Roac, go lead my latest game....review (I hesistate to call it that because it doesn't review much). And then read the responses and you'll see what happens when we try to be nice.

[HaemishM]

Speaking of hate:

LAS VEGAS (Hollywood Reporter) - George Lucas is such a fan of the latest 3-D technology that he is planning to remaster all of the "Star Wars" films for rerelease in 3-D.

Appearing as part of a sextet of high-profile directors promoting 3-D and digital cinema at film industry convention ShoWest on Thursday, Lucas said he hadn't yet committed to a precise schedule but hoped to have the first film ready for the 30th anniversary of the original "Star Wars" movie in 2007 and that he would then rerelease one "Star Wars" film per year in 3-D.

Hahahhahahaha. Get your 3d glasses out. Man, he sucks.

Motherfuck dykekicking asspheasant.

Cockgobbling pussy weasel.

Let's see, he's running out of almost original stuff to do (since the "story" for Ep1-3 is already set), so let the MILKING BEGIN!

I have no desire to see Jub Jub in full digitally enhanced 3D, but I'm sure it was the last reel on the film they forced Malcolm McDowell's character to watch in "A Clockwork Orange."

[Roac]

Roac, go lead my latest game....review (I hesistate to call it that because it doesn't review much). And then read the responses and you'll see what happens when we try to be nice.

I glanced when you first linked, but ok, I'll take you up on it.

BTW, I wasn't intending to bitch at you.  If you're mostly happy with how things are, my 2c don't matter anyhow.  If not - well, if you figure out a relatively painless way to change board culture, I'd love to know it.

[Paelos]

I like the culture actually. There's no end to sites about games that are constantly fellating them sideways for the world to see. There's also no end to sites that shit on everything for no reason. Some posters do that here, some don't, but mostly I think this community is pretty in tune with what we want from the industry. We just aren't getting what we want at all. Often, we get big promises of what we want, followed with crappy implementation or outright dropping.

This isn't about teh hate. It's about recognizing current gaming for the realistic state that it's in. That's not going to be kittens and shiney things all the time, but when it is, we give credit where it is do. Most of us like WoW for what it is. Most of us loved KOTOR. Most of us loved the writing in Vampire: Bloodlines. To say that we hate all is just niave. You have to really evaluate the percentages of shit out there to realize that we simple recognize good gaming.

[Riggswolfe]

One of my friends in high school saw Titanic 7 times. She was incredibly hot and when she invited me, I went, and it was all for the nookie. Then she started crying at the end. I'm staring at the screen like some sort of vegatable trying to keep my jaw from falling off. I couldn't believe the 3 hours of shit I'd just sat through. The Rock was entertaining. Men In Black I was entertaining. Con Air was entertaining. Titanic was not entertaining. It was like divine punishment from above. Someone had upset the gods of cinema, so they decided to unleash that tour of evil upon the world. This isn't about being a hater, this is simply about bad movies. Titanic is just one of many.

For the record I enjoy all those movies you mentioned. For the rest of the record I have T2 on DvD but not Titanic or the Abyss or any other Cameron flicks. I don't much care whether you guys like it or dislike it. I do get tired of the "You must be a stupid mouthbreather" if you like it Hyperbole. That's all.

[Riggswolfe]

I too read the review of the game but most of my replies I thought of started with "MMRPGs with card game combat is the future? " and I ended up not typing them until I had time to give it some thought.

[Furiously]

Can we get back to talking about how Darth being the robot jesus is bad but Neo being jesus was good in the first matrix only.

[WindupAtheist]

Yes, it's just like Titanic.  Except instead of nobly sacrificing himself to save Kate Winslet, here he strangles her to death after spending the first three quarters of the movie killing everyone on the ship.  But other than that, they're so much alike.   

[SirBruce]

Han shot first in 2-D, motherfucker!!!

Bruce

[Rodent]

All that can be said about this thread is that if you fuckers are going to insist on posting spoilers, someone needs to work out a better system for them. I already wear glasses, I don't want to go fucking blind trying to read spoilers, nor do I want to have to copy/paste the shit somewhere else.

[schild]

All that can be said about this thread is that if you fuckers are going to insist on posting spoilers, someone needs to work out a better system for them. I already wear glasses, I don't want to go fucking blind trying to read spoilers, nor do I want to have to copy/paste the shit somewhere else.

How about in 3d?

[stray]

All that can be said about this thread is that if you fuckers are going to insist on posting spoilers, someone needs to work out a better system for them. I already wear glasses, I don't want to go fucking blind trying to read spoilers, nor do I want to have to copy/paste the shit somewhere else.

No need to copy and paste. Just press "Quote" on those threads and it'll bring up the text at a normal type size.

[Llava]

You know, I never really considered this to be a particularly hate-filled site.  Cynical, sure, but all that means is more honesty.  It takes the "what COULD be" out of the reviews and tells you what is.  Lineage 2 got ripped a new ass because, guess what, Lineage 2 FUCKING SUCKS.  And its sales (to the sane part of the world's population, anyways) show that.

City of Heroes received a positive review and deserved it.  I still don't see negative posts about the game in that forum.  In fact, only a few people bash City of Heroes, one of those people started this thread, and to my knowledge none of them have actually played the game.  Gotta learn to ignore stuff like that, but the actual "voices of f13" like Haemish etc seem to be pretty vocal in supporting it.

World of Warcraft got luke-warm reviews, and that's only slightly less than it deserves.  It's not nearly as revolutionary as City of Heroes was (CoH broke a shitload of MMOG rules and did it well) and it has a lot of irritating quality of life issues, but there are parts of the game that do show very impressive design.  The engineering tradeskill, for example, is the only tradeskill in any game, ever, that I've thought was fun.  The way the tradeskills work and the economy that supports them is really very, very well done.  Definitely the best economy system of any game I've played.  But the game has its problems.  Combat is jerky, movement seems off, a lot of the animations are surprisingly poorly done (look at a human male swimming, or jumping, or equip an undeal male with a dagger and have him stab some stuff).  I'd give it a somewhat more positive review than it received from this site, but overall I do think their review was fair.

And that's what it comes down to.  The reviews that I read here always seem fair to me, and in many cases I've played the game or watched the movie myself.  Haemish thought Harold and Kumar was funny and, guess what, it really was.  He thought the old version of Daredevil sucked and, guess what, it fucking did.  If most of the reviews here seem bad it's because most of the shit that gets put out there these days is pretty fucking bad.  But when something good or passable comes out, you see a review that reflects that.  There's a difference between cynical honesty and spite for spite's sake.  This site doesn't exhibit the latter, except in the trolls.  But really, we can't blame them for the trolls.



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