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Reply #35 on: April 09, 2019, 10:03:58 AM

Look, Bale was good, but you are saying that Keaton was not a good Batman? Forget the fact that the movie doesn't quite hold up as well after the Nolan stuff, but Keaton was a good Batman. Affleck was a good Batman, he just happened to be in almost completely shitty movies - but he and his portrayal of the character was not the problem with those movies at all.

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Reply #36 on: April 09, 2019, 10:35:35 AM

Even Bale has been mediocre. It's only compared to other Batmen that he's even remotely good.
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Reply #37 on: April 09, 2019, 10:55:16 AM

If I had to rank live action Batmen it'd be:

Keaton
Affleck
Adam West
Bale

Bale was generally just boring as Batman and Bruce Wayne and his scratchy voice turned the character into a caricature.

This movie looks good but DC marketing has fooled me before. *cough*SuicideSquad*cough*

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Reply #38 on: April 09, 2019, 02:12:45 PM

It's weird that watching two hours of "how society made me become a psychopathic mass murderer, please empathize" might not be all that great even if Joacquin Phoenix plays it?

I am really not into comic-adaptions, so I watched this trailer like, well, like a trailer for a film and it looked good.

Not quite sure what your issues here are.

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Reply #39 on: April 09, 2019, 02:19:51 PM

As far as I can tell, the Internet is terribly concerned that right-wing incels will enjoy this movie too much, so much so that it may be a moral imperative for right-thinking people to NOT enjoy it. 

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Reply #40 on: April 09, 2019, 02:59:50 PM

Take the Joker out of it (or hell, don't) and the movie could easily be called "Diary of an Incel."

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Reply #41 on: April 09, 2019, 04:40:43 PM

I can't even tell anymore if I'm being trolled or if our culture wars have reached a new depth of stupidity.

IF this movie aims to using realistic psychological/socio-economic etc. create a fictitious life that might lead someone to become a killer clown guy and nothing else... THEN this is a dumb fucking idea for a movie. That plan is dumb enough that it invalidates any reason to watch said movie regardless of quality. If I need a dose of terrible things can turn human beings into terrible people. I don't need to seek out my local cinema for help with that.

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Reply #42 on: April 09, 2019, 07:20:08 PM

I mean, I'm not especially optimistic either...

But tragedy has been a staple of the performative arts for most of recorded human history.

So I don't think 'story about society breaking a guy' is exactly plumbing new depths.

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Reply #43 on: April 09, 2019, 08:28:19 PM

Yeah, I mean, Taxi Driver is considered a classic, and there have been a lot of movies like it since.  And now this.

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Reply #44 on: April 09, 2019, 08:33:28 PM

If incels want to think of themselves as the fucking Joker, like, whatever. Ok.

That's a retard slapfight if ever there was one. I'm just going to enjoy the movie because there's a very high chance it'll be good.
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Reply #45 on: April 10, 2019, 12:51:36 PM

Hopefully it is a good as "You Were Never Really Here" which is recommending viewing.
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Reply #46 on: August 28, 2019, 12:32:19 PM

So this latest trailer dropped and I can't really see why anyone is terribly interested in this film.

Help ?

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Reply #47 on: August 28, 2019, 12:46:38 PM

So this latest trailer dropped and I can't really see why anyone is terribly interested in this film.

Help ?

This looks fucking great.
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Reply #48 on: August 28, 2019, 12:57:12 PM

Well, that settled it.

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Reply #49 on: August 28, 2019, 01:11:44 PM

Why so fucking be there?  why so serious?

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Reply #50 on: August 28, 2019, 01:29:28 PM

I don't know, I'm thinking I'm with schild on this one. It looks great and I didn't know that Deniro was going to be in this one. I still don't understand why it exists, but it does look like it's a top-notch performance.

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Reply #51 on: August 28, 2019, 01:38:19 PM

De Niro looks to be playing the Jerry Lewis character in King of Comedy while Phoenix plays the role De Niro originally did in that film.

Could be interesting to see the parallels between the two. Other than that...meh.

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #52 on: August 28, 2019, 01:55:28 PM

Darth Vader didn't need a backstory.
The Xenomorphs from Alien don't need a backstory.
The Joker sure as fuck doesn't need a backstory. It was handled perfectly in the Dark Knight.

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Mayor Garcia: [regarding The Joker] What do we got?
Gordon: Nothing. No matches on prints, DNA, dental. Clothing is custom, no labels. Nothing in his pockets but knives and lint. No name. No other alias.

Along with him just making up stories about his past. That's all we need.

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Reply #53 on: August 28, 2019, 02:01:20 PM

Trailer looked meh. Pass.

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Reply #54 on: August 28, 2019, 02:40:25 PM

If this were being made as a popcorn movie with a shitty comic movie actor, it would be shitty.  The fact that it's Joaquin Phoenix makes me interested.

Note that, like schild, I enjoy movies that make me viscerally uncomfortable.  There's a good chunk of people who watch comic movies to feel good and this will Not Be That, I'm pretty confident.

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Reply #55 on: August 28, 2019, 07:31:05 PM

I'm looking forward to it, too.

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Reply #56 on: August 28, 2019, 08:20:08 PM

If this were being made as a popcorn movie with a shitty comic movie actor, it would be shitty.  The fact that it's Joaquin Phoenix makes me interested.

Note that, like schild, I enjoy movies that make me viscerally uncomfortable.  There's a good chunk of people who watch comic movies to feel good and this will Not Be That, I'm pretty confident.

Still squarely in the I don't understand the audience for this at all camp. I agree that it looks like they are putting real talent in a position to seriously try to...   create a quasi-realistic humanizing origin story for the joker? the fuck? did we want that?

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Reply #57 on: August 28, 2019, 08:40:44 PM

Maybe the WB execs were jealous of the #thanosdidnothingwrong memes/hashtag?
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Reply #58 on: August 29, 2019, 06:12:41 AM

Yeah, that's my point too Hoax.

Ok, fair enough, it might be an ok Movie, though the trailer personally leaves me cold as a stone, but what the fuck is it actually all about ?  It just seems hugely 'for the sake of it' and I don't get it.

Who knows, it might be the next Logan, but.... I dunno.  Not feeling it at all.

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Reply #59 on: August 29, 2019, 07:11:17 AM

I thought it looked fun.
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Reply #60 on: August 29, 2019, 11:24:02 AM

Ö.

Ok.

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Reply #61 on: August 29, 2019, 11:28:43 AM

Fun? Nah. Tragic, horrifying, yes.

we did it gang, we successfully actually impeached trump

now! [claps hands] on to the next, more important step of this ó we must convince ourselves this is meaningless and we have accomplished nothing in an even symbolic sense and will still lose. let's have a big "nothing matters" on the count of three! one, two
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Reply #62 on: August 29, 2019, 01:08:28 PM


I think this will be a good movie but I have almost no interest in watching it. I guess it's because I'm not really interested in a Joker origin story. The Killing Joke was awesome but I think part of what makes it great is the Joker himself isn't sure what really happened to him.
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Reply #63 on: August 29, 2019, 01:16:14 PM

Iím torn.  I agree with the above sentiment.  OTOH, it looks compelling.

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Reply #64 on: August 29, 2019, 01:17:24 PM

if you give a single shit about comics and characters in comics, this movie is just not for you
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Reply #65 on: August 29, 2019, 01:35:25 PM

Uh.

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Reply #66 on: August 29, 2019, 01:41:49 PM

Thatís.....a bit extreme.

What if I only care a smallish amount?

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Reply #67 on: August 29, 2019, 02:54:33 PM

Thatís.....a bit extreme.

What if I only care a smallish amount?

sounds like you don't really care then
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Reply #68 on: August 29, 2019, 03:59:35 PM

if you give a single shit about comics and characters in comics, this movie is just not for you

Possibly, but I don't exactly follow the reasoning. I'm fine with different takes on characters (well, normally speaking; I like Chris Pratt in the MCU, as long as I think of him as playing Chris Pratt and not SL).

One interesting thing is as of right now there's no evidence that this Joker is a mass murderer. Maybe he's more of an anarchist than a supervillain. I can dig it. I just don't necessarily want to see it, if that makes sense.
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Reply #69 on: August 29, 2019, 04:28:21 PM

It just seems hugely 'for the sake of it' and I don't get it.

No, you do get it. It's a character study that the director wanted to do and somehow, he convinced Warner Bros. execs to fund it. I don't know what the WB execs were thinking when they greenlit it, but it really only exists because someone wanted to do it.

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