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Reply #105 on: August 06, 2019, 10:55:10 AM

The Raimi movie is a fine way to get the Ben Parker origin story.

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Reply #106 on: August 06, 2019, 11:20:24 AM

I remember Spider-Man 2 being really good.  Superhero movies have come a long way since I last saw it though.

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Reply #107 on: August 06, 2019, 11:40:02 AM

I liked the first two, but didn't care for the third Raimi one.

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Reply #108 on: August 06, 2019, 12:45:57 PM

No one did.
 
Raimi Spider-Man 2 is just great, minus the unexplained weird scenes with the Russian girl who lives in Parker's building.

The Garfield Spider-Mans are just so mediocre that it's hard to even work up the energy required to dislike them.
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Reply #109 on: August 06, 2019, 12:55:22 PM

I actually forgot Garfield had a 2nd movie. I don't think I saw it, but I don't really remember the first one much so who knows.

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Reply #110 on: August 06, 2019, 04:13:38 PM

I thought that the Garfield movies had the best romantic story arc with Peter and MJ, but everything that was superhero-y was mediocre at best and downright awful at worst.

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Reply #111 on: August 06, 2019, 08:56:12 PM

It's hard to explain at this late date why the Gwen/Peter romance seems so important and why killing her seemed so awful and yet momentous. It really happened in the comics in an organic, unexpected way: she was the dream that a lot of nerds have--super smart, independent, perceptive and eventually understanding about Peter's secrets and issues. She wasn't introduced in order to be fridged--it really felt like you knew and liked this guy and you were so happy that he was happy and she was happy and it seemed so right. It reminded me a bit of the boarding school drama To Serve Them All My Days, where the Mr. Chips/socialist teacher that you grow to love finds a wonderful woman, has kids, and then the kids and the wife get killed in an auto accident--it happens slowly enough that it doesn't seem like they're just there to deepen or complicate his character.

And the Garfield films did some honor to that one important plotline, while more or less shitting it up with every single other aspect of it.
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Reply #112 on: August 07, 2019, 11:54:28 AM

I thought that the Garfield movies had the best romantic story arc with Peter and MJ, but everything that was superhero-y was mediocre at best and downright awful at worst.

Literally the only scene in the Garfield movies I liked was when the construction workers swung their cranes out so he could get to the building faster to uh....punch lizard or something. Don't remember.

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In this case they're right. The first 2 Raimi movies are great and the 2nd one is still, arguably, one of the best super hero movies ever made with a fantastic script. As for the Russian girl Khaldun commented on, she had a point.  When Peter was at his lowest she was kind ot him and asked nothing of return. I think the intent was simply to show him that people like her existed and that he shouldn't give in to his depression.


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Reply #113 on: August 08, 2019, 02:14:29 PM

I think Peter being lifted out of a dark moment by the regular NYC people is a true Spider-Man aspect.

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Reply #114 on: August 08, 2019, 02:50:48 PM

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Reply #115 on: August 08, 2019, 02:51:07 PM

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Reply #116 on: August 08, 2019, 06:03:51 PM

Ugh, well, that was 18 years ago and Spider-Man was created well before that. So, let me controversially say that we should move on from 9/11. We got our Patriot Act for banking and drug sales, and new government war department already.

Spider-Man and Peter Parker, however, keep a sense of neighborhood in mind. I personally will be disappointed when Spider-Man takes on an adult persona and leading role in the MU, however inevitable it might be for him. And for all of us, as we mature.

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Reply #117 on: August 09, 2019, 12:50:59 AM

Ugh, well, that was 18 years ago and Spider-Man was created well before that. So, let me controversially say that we should move on from 9/11. We got our Patriot Act for banking and drug sales, and new government war department already.

Spider-Man and Peter Parker, however, keep a sense of neighborhood in mind. I personally will be disappointed when Spider-Man takes on an adult persona and leading role in the MU, however inevitable it might be for him. And for all of us, as we mature.

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Reply #118 on: August 11, 2019, 09:41:04 AM

I'm betting the current MCU will run for another 15 years and then we'll see them do an 'Ultimate' reboot once they have all the character rights they want back.  Your Spidey's will go from '15' to low 30s and then be rebooted.  He'll be high school, juvenile college, young professional, and then psudeo Tony Stark before starting all over.

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Reply #119 on: August 31, 2019, 10:42:30 AM

Not in this case.

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Reply #120 on: August 31, 2019, 04:24:08 PM

Finally saw this last night.  Liked it, but noted some issues with the plot. 

One issue was the contrived nature of handing over the access to the glasses.  The second issue was if Stark did decide to build a giant orbital complex full of missiles and killer drones (which seems doubtful considering his actions in prior movies) the control would have turned over to Pepper Potts.  And it would have been really handy during Endgame.  Funny how no one thought about it.
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Reply #121 on: September 02, 2019, 12:28:40 PM

Finally saw this last night.  Liked it, but noted some issues with the plot. 

One issue was the contrived nature of handing over the access to the glasses.  The second issue was if Stark did decide to build a giant orbital complex full of missiles and killer drones (which seems doubtful considering his actions in prior movies) the control would have turned over to Pepper Potts.  And it would have been really handy during Endgame.  Funny how no one thought about it.

Not doubtful at all. Stark even gets a speech in Endgame about how everyone hated it when he wanted to build a defensive shield around Earth. It makes (comic book) sense that he might have set up a drone complex on the sly, especially hidden from Pepper since she has an unfortunate anti weapons of mass destruction attitude.

And it would have been useless during Endgame, thus why Stark kept it stealthed. Thanos and his fleet would have swatted it from the sky about .5 seconds after it activated.

But yes, it has been commented that the plot was a little more juvenile than most Marvel offerings, but I imagine that was by design, and keeping that in mind I was highly entertained.

As an aside and considering the current rights issues, think we might see a "Night Monkey" movie next?

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Reply #122 on: September 02, 2019, 12:56:54 PM


As an aside and considering the current rights issues, think we might see a "Night Monkey" movie next?

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Reply #123 on: September 02, 2019, 08:22:30 PM

Finally saw this last night.  Liked it, but noted some issues with the plot. 

One issue was the contrived nature of handing over the access to the glasses.  The second issue was if Stark did decide to build a giant orbital complex full of missiles and killer drones (which seems doubtful considering his actions in prior movies) the control would have turned over to Pepper Potts.  And it would have been really handy during Endgame.  Funny how no one thought about it.

Not doubtful at all. Stark even gets a speech in Endgame about how everyone hated it when he wanted to build a defensive shield around Earth. It makes (comic book) sense that he might have set up a drone complex on the sly, especially hidden from Pepper since she has an unfortunate anti weapons of mass destruction attitude.

And it would have been useless during Endgame, thus why Stark kept it stealthed. Thanos and his fleet would have swatted it from the sky about .5 seconds after it activated.

But yes, it has been commented that the plot was a little more juvenile than most Marvel offerings, but I imagine that was by design, and keeping that in mind I was highly entertained.

As an aside and considering the current rights issues, think we might see a "Night Monkey" movie next?

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If this was part of his defense shield against Thanos-level attacks it should be strong enough to take on Thanos.  Otherwise why waste billions building it?

It also would be pretty handy defending Pepper and the munchkin against people who want Stark technology or just some payback.  Far better in Pepper's control than an angsty hormonal teenager who can't be bothered to return the phone call of the head of SHIELD.  That's some epic level neglect right there.
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Reply #124 on: September 03, 2019, 12:06:55 AM

Considering that I highly doubt Stark would even think twice about ghosting Fury to go on vacation, I don't really think that works as a valid argument.

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Reply #125 on: September 03, 2019, 01:04:54 AM

It wasn't meant to take on Thanos. That was Ultron, and it didn't turn out too well.

And blowing billions is sorta Stark's thing. He'll just make more.

As much as he cares for Pepper, she isn't his superhero successor (she might have been, but didn't want it). Right or wrong, Tony saw Parker as a young himself and he wanted to recognize and guide his genius, and gifting young spidey with super dangerous toys has been his way of expressing positive attention from the beginning.

Stark was kinda messed up, but it was consistent..
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Reply #126 on: September 03, 2019, 07:27:26 AM

I agree that it is just the next step up from the Iron Spider Suit. Peter did his teenage mistake-making with that one as well.

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