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So Yeah. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYtuKyMtY8)

What the fuck was that ?

Edit by Trippy: International teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38cLTYYXNw

I thought it looks like the first one but written by someone who liked Ragnarok.

Which is fine.

The spiderman cgi looked better than ever - the other cgi not so much I guess.

I'm guessing that Mysterio is making all those monsters show up. It's kind of an odd trailer but it looks entertaining enough.

Yeah, the other CGI all looks like Mysterio illusions. Plus Jake Gyllenhaal was Mysterio. If this trailer has a problem, it's that a lot of us have recently watched Into The Spider-verse and there's just no way this is going to be as good.

One of them might have been Hydro man, or whatever his name is.

Liked the trailer.

100% sure that those monsters are Mysterio's illusions.

Yeah, he would appear to be Syndrome here.

This is before Infinity War?

It’s after Endgame in the timeline.

guys

spiderman isn't dead

neither is fury

I am shocked to be spoiled by this.  Shocked I say!   :popcorn:

I like the international trailer better.

Also, how can Tony Stark not be in this?

I'm sure he is, given all the new suits, but they had to introduce Jake as someone relevant because everyone cares about Mysterio.


lol

Was that a serious question? If so the reason you don't see Stark in the teaser is Marvel wants you to keep guessing whether or not he survives Endgame.

they're not killing the only reason the mcu exists

they didn't show him because jake needed a solo entrance like Owen Hart when he split with his brother and you couldn't have them both hogging the spotlight

yeah, the mcu is basically 2010 era WWF don't @me

*coughs* Isn't Robert Downey Jr.'s contract up? I'll be shocked if he survives endgame.

Contract shmontract.

Yeah, they've pulled this contract, this is the last time you'll see Tony shit before.

We can't get rid of him now.  Like Syph.

Owen Hart had been dead for more than 10 years in 2010.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzKkTC0ZiXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzKkTC0ZiXs)

No trailer confirms the snap created a multiverse. I think it also gives away how Mysterio will end up as a villain.

It's Mysterio - a master of illusion. Don't expect that anything he says that they reveal in the trailer is the truth.

Yeah, that's a Mysterio fake-out, guaranteed.

Wouldn't be too surprised if there's a Dr. Strange cameo at some point.

It's gonna be a double fake-out,  Mysterio lies about multiverse but turns out it's real at the end.

I think he really is from another universe and for some reason he is convinced that for his universe to survive this one has to end and they'll go the sympathetic villain route. Think Doctor Octopus from Spiderman 2. We'll see though.

Ha.  Looks like Schild and I were both wrong.

Double double fakeout. Mysterio is actually a hero from another dimension and is the sorcerer supreme of that one.

I mean, not gonna happen. Mysterio is going to try and murder spiderman in order to cement himself as the true hero of the day.

The fake out would be if Peter doesn't trust him, but he turns out to be totally legit.

Very enjoyable film. Surprisingly deft. Holland is the definitive version of the character at this point for all that there's no Uncle Ben mournfulness, etc.

Definitely stay for both post-credits scenes. Both of them surprised me very much, in a good way.

Was even surprised that they dealt as much with the five-years-later as much as they did, though they did make it seem super-breezy and easy compared to the way it would be. That's ok, it's a comic-book movie. Comic-book humans are made of sterner stuff than we are--they live in Gotham City despite the high odds of random murder, they put up with the threat of their cities blowing up for any number of reasons, etc.

Very good movie. My new favorite Spiderman power is officially

I really enjoyed it while I was watching it, but much like Homecoming, it faded from mind quickly. They're good, fun movies, Holland is a great Spider-man, and I like the cast. There's nothing I can point to as a problem, but it's just kinda good fluff when I know Spider-man could be more than that. Like I said, had fun watching it but it's not something I'm dying to re-watch anytime soon.

I enjoyed it.  The end scenario left me wondering how poorly you can possible target something to miss that many times, but it was fun.  I think the non-Holland kids are a bit flat in this movie, making them hard to care about...

Thor 2 bad. Hugely disappointed.  Jake was great. Everything thing else not.

What?

Ironwood does tend to have opinions about Spiderman...

But Thor 2... Ouch.

Thor 2 bad is pretty harsh.

I guess I do have at least one issue with this movie though which is that it requires Peter to make a fuckstupid decision, and that the villain's plot to get Peter make said stupid decision is pretty nonsensical when you think about it for even a second.

I'm not seeing spiderman til 10pm tonight, but tell you what

there's absolutely no world where its as bad as thor 2

i have to assume ironwood had a stroke and saw a limited engagement screening of that new netflix sandler/aniston vehicle

The movie was entertaining, funny and charming. Much more fun to watch than Endgame.

The movie was like a fucking awful European vacation with actors who were all, to a man, phoning it in except the bad guy.

Oh and hey, Stark's dead so let's make another fucking film that's all about him again.  Jesus.

Also, what the fuck was up with Colbie Smulders ?  She looks really, really ill.

It was fun and light without being insubstantial. Yes, Peter made dumb decisions. He does that. It's as much his character as it is Batman's character to plan ahead and train obsessively.

I kind of agree on the cast--

I... completely disagree with that.

Peter Parker has a nearly infinitely long history of making spectacularly dumb decisions and then rolling them back when he remembers that great power = great responsibility. Seriously. It is very nearly the character's defining characteristic.

This movie was fuckin great.

Alright, let's deal with Ironwoods absolute nonsense -

1. bro you're old and didn't go on an american eurotrip in high school with ridiculous teachers - this movie was absolutely perfect in that regard

2. also, you're old

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As for Jake being the best thing in the movie. Nah. It was Iron Man Jr. Jake was fairly terrible once he turned off the lies, he was decent as a friend of spidey but as a villain he was a bit of a putz. But that's kind of the problem with every villain Spiderman has, they all kind of suck. I don't know why. A villain shows up in Spideys orbit and he becomes poop.

MJ was great.

Happy and May were great.

Hell, even the Asian friend was great.

As I said, it was fuckin great.

I'm glad we got Iron Man 4.

They did a reasonably good job updating Mysterio--there was a sort of metacommentary there
Spider-Man's villains being putzes is kind of the point too--his villains are a lot like The Flash's, they're people whose powers are potentially very strong but who are so petty and small-minded that they can only think of cashing in via crime. Though the movies as a whole found a way to make Doctor Octopus way more interesting. Norman Osborn can be, but not in that outfit the first film used.

It's been a long, long time since I read any comics with Mysterio but to my memory he was always kind of a putz so this was pretty fitting really.

We need to quit using "accurate to the comics" to excuse the shitty parts, there is a good reason why only 17 assholes read comics any more.

Except. I'm gonna say that the entire region the MCU is great is that Kevin Feige is a Marvel comics nerd. Meaning, he fetches up bits and pieces of comics without being too handcuffed to getting it exactly right to the comic. In Endgame when Hulk is supporting the weight of the flooding basement, that's a ref to Hulk holding up a mountain in Secret Wars--a dumb comic that no one should ever adapt, but a visually cool notation to cite just ever so little in that way.

Oh sure, milk the shit out of the good stuff. Just don't try to lampshade the dumb with "because comics".

For sure.

no it's because every single good one realized their shit only exists because of Iron Man / RDJ / Favreau so they just keep doing that

over and over again

and its great

I think we're on Iron Man 23 now

but yes, Feige keeps the trains running on time

Entire REASON. sigh.

But really, honestly, MCU and the Snyder Murderverse diverge first and foremost because Feige wasn't humiliated by the source material, and Snyder and the entire deck of WB execs involved were ashamed to be making movies from comic books. Feige wasn't, so he could do deep dives into the material AND recruit creatives who felt the same way that he did. The WB people were listening to Snyder and Goyer and thinking the only way to make this shit prove out was to hate it, because the Serious Critics loved Nolan's take on Batman, which was as minimally comic-booky as it could manage.

the problem with DC is the source material IS shameful

batman gets a pass because of heath ledger

without heath ledger it's an OK trilogy but something no one is rewatching

Saw this today and really dug it. I think they've finally got a good balance of Peter Parker story and Spider-Man story (i.e. the previous 2 movies had great Parker/MJ character stuff but the villains were atrocious - these have both). I actually liked their take on MJ and how all that fit together. Their use of Mysterio was PERFECT, or I should say, a perfect adaptation to the MCU. This is how you do a character that is super dumb in the comics and still make it work on screen.

The first one is probably my least favorite MCU movie.  I like Holland as Spider-man, and much of the side cast was great, but plotting and dialog had me pausing it and walking away constantly.  So I have low expectations for this one.

i will fight you

Yes, I know, you and everybody else.  Just did not enjoy it.

you're ground meat, guy

The first one has probably one of my favorite scenes in any MCU movie. That being the entire car ride where Peter knows his girlfriend's dad is the Vulture and the dad is slowly putting the pieces together. It's the most suspenseful scene in the entire MCU.

I thought this one was fun. They've hit a really good tone on these Holland SM movies I think based a lot on his youthful charisma and the rest of the cast.  I like that they tend to be relatively "low stakes" in the grand scheme of things which is good.

Also, how good is it that they got
Also

I actually laughed my head off loudly when I saw that. I'm totally down with that direction.

I'd definitely like to see them move the character's timeline forward a bit in the next one. I want to see a more adult Peter with this actor, because I really like what they've done with him.

While I'd like to see that, too, I am ok waiting for it.  You can't go back once you go forward and there is a lot of iconic source material focused on a teen and college aged Parker.  One more HS adventure, 2 college adventures... and then get on to him being an adult.

So I really enjoyed the movie but (and maybe I missed this) what was Mysterio trying to accomplish after the bar scene?

Do you mean what happened in Berlin?

Edit by Trippy: fixed spoiler tag

Oh, now I understand your question.

I think it's basically a

I assume they used that location so that they could set up some contingency plans in case Beck failed his first try.

Yup, they were getting Edith whether Peter played along or not.

That wouldn't work, he needed to give over command voluntarily.

While you can do certain things with his technology, other things likely are better served by having a human hand - such as handing over a drink.  Plus, I'd imagine that everyone invoved wanted to witness the moment. 

Additionally - evil villain has to make speech.

Saw this a few days ago, liked it just fine.  Not being a comics guy, I knew nothing about Mysterio.  I liked him before the heel turn, but found it a bit silly and far-fetched afterwards.  There were probably too many moments where I was like "wait....that probably wouldn't work".  And I have a pretty high tolerance for such things.  Oh well, an MCU movie with a few flaws is still better than most other movies by default.

I saw it over the weekend and enjoyed it. I knew Mysterio was a villain so I was expecting a betrayal, but I really liked him before that. Like others have said, I had some complaints but all in all I really enjoyed it.

One thing I really liked was the big surreal scene where he's punking Peter on multiple levels--that was a terrific translation of comics to screen.

Mysterio is one of those really 4-color style comic villains that is really easy to fuck up. I was concerned about their translation of him to the big screen but they captured the character perfectly. The hallucination scenes were a perfectly example of how the character has always operated in the comics.  As for his plan being silly and far-fetched... that's Mysterio. I realize that's a bit hand-wavey but I think it works perfectly for MCU movies in that all of them fall apart if you think too incredibly hard about them.

I enjoyed the movie as soon as I reset my expectations as to the audience age it was aimed at.

In retrospect it makes sense they'd go back to a more juvenile target audience. It's either that and try to win over some new fans to the franchise or keep trying to keep the aging and more and more nitpicky older fans happy, and that is pretty much impossible.

So yeah, fun, and pretty well written considering the above.

In the comics, Mysterio is *always* easy to beat once you know what the con is; the thing is that sometimes he times his con so well and frames it so intelligently that Spider-Man/Peter Parker doesn't see it coming.

Anecdotally speaking, my 14 and 17 year-olds both thought it was awesome and clearly one of the better MCU movies.  Usually I am the bigger fan boy, but they both like it better than I did.  I think spiderman just resonates somehow better with younger people, not least because he's a kid himself.

So finally saw this today.  Liked it better than the first film, but still very middle to lower MCU for me.  Thinking over it, the biggest personal reasons I don’t like this version of Spider-Man is that I fucking hate watching awkward teen drama.  Both movies spend waaaay to much time concentrating on what an akward person Peter is, and lets just watch his cringey akward actions as he fucks up over and over again.  Which is something I gain zero enjoyment from watching.  This movie had less of it than the first one (which was almost entirely just that), so worked better for me.  I fully understand thats a personal thing, and others may enjoy it, but I just cannot stand watching any movies or TV shows centered around that kind of comedy.

Also, I think the other let down is that this version of Spider-Man is just not fun in his own movies.  I actually really liked him in all the avengers movies.  He feels like Spider-Man in those.  He jumps around, fights great, and makes lots funny jokes/comments as he does (though because of the character they are mainly generational jokes compared to his fellow hero’s, but still), giving a light hearted character to contrast the super serious ones.  In both of his own movies, he mainly fights via jumping around and panicking, with zero wise cracks.  Just awkwardly flailing around trying to stop one of his fucks ups after another in a panic, with zero fun.  Which is unfortunate because, again, I feel the actor nails the characater in all the Avengers films.

Jake was easily the best part of this movie.  Did a great job with is role, even if (As I see others mentioned above) the entire plot makes zero god damned sense overall.  And like, the leap of Peter going from having a drink with nice dude he barely knows to ‘you should be the next Iron Man’ was some of the laziest writing I have seen in a long time.  But whatever, if they are going to hand wave away the entire ‘blip’ with a 30 second explanation that makes the whole thing a happy fun time joke (as we discussed before, realistically trillions of people died from this event because Stark refused to undo the last five years), then I’m just going to have to give up on any expectation of quality writing in the MCU here on.

Anyways, lest I sound totally negative, things I liked:
Cast all pretty good (despite teen drama stuff).  Jake easily the best.
Well paced.
Happy and Aunt May thing is fun and a great way to take those characters.
Some cool fight moves from Peter in the very end fight scene.

However, the mid credit scene reveal sort of retroactively made me hate the whole movie.   :oh_i_see:

Like, what a dumb load of shit.  I was so happy that the movie avoided ending with things going that way (despite teasing it multiple times), and then it stabbed me in the face with it in the after movie credit sequence.  ARG.  I’ll only approve of this if it forces the plot to move forward where the next time we see Peter he’s a college student/adult and working full on for the Avengers or something, so we can get to real Spider-Man instead of this alt teen version.

stop watching movies about teenagers in high school goddamn

No.  Marvel just needs to stop making them.   :awesome_for_real:

this sounds like a you problem

I'm pretty sure "teen drama" is just Spiderman in the MCU, which is kind of the point. Ant Man is heists, Cap is special ops thrillers, Thor...is family soap opera, and Spiderman is teen drama.

So, what you're saying is that you've had enough Spiderman?

--Dave

I’ve had enough Peter Parker High School only movies, which is two.  As I said, he was great in the Avengers MCU movies.

The "real" Spider-Man?  In the comics, the character is overwhelmingly depicted as either a teenager or someone in their very early 20s, and Peter Parker's teen drama takes up far more space in the comics than fights (at least in the 60s/70s...I haven't read as much 80s+ Spider-Man).  Taking that out of the story makes him just another generic superhero.  To me, this is what makes Spider-Man...Spider-Man.  I'm not interested in him unless he's young and has teen/young adult drama.  A lot of his best stories have come from that also.  The death of Gwen Stacy/Harry Osborn's transformation to the Green Goblin, for instance.

Taking that away would be to take away one of the things that makes Spider-Man unique.  Especially in the MCU.

Uh, far as I know, the only major version of Spider-Man that has been a teenager is in the Ultimate Universe (and while that version had some great stories until it went to shit, I always thought it was hindered by the High School setting).  He’s always been college age 20 something for the 40 odd years of his existance. 

And I’m not saying take away the normal life, as I agree that’s what adds to the charm.  It’s why I was pissed about the shitty mid credits reveal!  It makes it so that’s not actually possible from here on in the MCU (so the only plus side of it is maybe forcing him out of the High School setting).  I just think Peter as a young adult and dealing with life/everyday shit is faaaaaar more watchable and enjoyable than badly written teen drama where we get to watch somebody be the worst teen stereotype over and over again.  First two 2000’s Spider-Man movies were better than both of these films in that regard (and in many others),  IMO.

The angsty teen drama stuff is one of the things I hated about the Spider-Man comics but somehow for the movies, I like it a lot. I do want to see them move the character forward into college age in the next one though if they are going full Civil War Iron Spider reveal, I'm not sure where the fuck they are going from here.

EDIT: Also, Teleku, at least the first 30+ Spider-Man comics ever had him as a teenager in high school. I'm not sure exactly when he graduated and went to college but him as a teenage is very much a part of the original Ditko/Stan Lee stories.

Sorry, but Peter Parker was 15 when he got his powers in Amazing Fantasy #15.  He is in high school from Amazing Spider-Man 1 - 28.  And even then, he's in his late-teens while in college for a long time in Amazing Spider-Man.  Probably beyond #100+.   

As for movies, he is also a high school student in Spider-Man (2002) and Amazing Spider-Man (2012).  He's probably late-teens or maybe 20/21 in the other Spider-Man movies.

Teen/young adult drama is a defining characteristic of Spider-Man comics and movies.

That's a long winded way to say you don't like Spiderman. The stuff you're complaining about? That's a core component of Spiderman and has been pretty much since he was created.

Dudes, that was literally in the 60’s.  He was out of High school before the comic even hit the 70’s. That’s literally him out of high school for the last 50 years of his comic run.  Every single iconic moment of his character arc that gets reused over and over again happened after this point.  Spider-Man out of High School is his defining character status.  The High School part was just a small early part of the comic they quickly moved forward from as they fleshed him out.  And he was in High School in the 2001 film for all of 10 minutes, and everything after that for the whole trilogy was set as him out of it.  This is extreme hair splitting.

Also, the 2012 Spider-Man (and it’s follow up) were terrible.
I’ve been complaining about the high school awkward teen drama.  As I stated above, him being in high school makes up about 2% of his total body of work over the last 60 years.  It is in fact zero part of his core component.

Spider-Man as a 19 year old college student is a 100% different story and character than Spider-Man as an 18 year old high school student.  His entire social life, job, dating scene, motivations, everything is different.  And generally just works far better based on all the previous Spider-Man works that have come before this.  This is not to say that I wouldn’t have enjoyed a High School version!  But in the MCU, they dialed up the awkwardness of these movies to painful levels and the writing just felt like shit.

Or in short, I felt they handled his personal drama and characteristation far worst in these films than all previous bodies of work.  I enjoyed the comics I read from the 80’s/90’s.  I enjoyed the 90’s cartoon.  I enjoyed the 2000’s era movies.  Just can’t get into these (though again, I think the character shines in all the non Spider-Man MCU movies).

Spider-Man as an adult can work - I wasn't a huge fan of the marriage with Mary Jane Watson era but the stuff after he returns from the dead and gets his body back from Doc Ock (i.e. the post-Superior Spider-Man work by Dan Slott) was really great. I liked it though, as much because it removed a lot of the angsty drama and sense of self-loathing that has been core to the Spider-Man character. He had become a socially conscious Tony Stark, essentially, and I'd love to see them build to that character in the movies. I don't think they'll have time before Holland moves on (i.e. I think they have 1-2 more movies with him).

they're already making him a socially conscious tony stark

you have seen far from home right?

that's like, exactly what they're doing, but as a teen

so everyone else can love it except for teleku

616 spiderman started his career at 14/16. The death of gwen stacy occurred when he was in high school. Relative to the characters history he only been an adult when, and by I mean adult I mean early 20s since the 80s. Marvel and those who Marvel licenses to write spiderman rarely want to tell an adult peter story, the comics literally had him make a deal with the devil to get back aunt may instead of being married to mary jane. A decision that has got me out of comic book for the last decade.

The best telling of teen spiderman was Spectacular Spiderman. It literally covered all the major story beats and had him evolving as a young man, while still keeping some of the parker fuck ups that he is known for. This version of spiderman is simply a white Miles Morales. The original version from the ultimate comics and not the good version in into-the spiderverse. Which isn't entirely a bad thing, there is "some" traditional parker story beats but not a lot. Its still 'good' and even excellent at times but that is more due to the production and the MCU being what it is and less spiderman himself. Its getting there and I definitely enjoyed both movies BUT I only watch them once.

Yes, only in the comics I'm talking about, he was a billionaire too. I'm guessing that could be in the next movie except for the whole mid-credits scene.

In the comics, Peter Parker as Spider-Man, in almost ALL eras of story-telling and situations, alternates between jokes/patter and emo/melancholy over his own fuck-ups. It is the basic modality of the character--he is constantly bouncing between the two of them. It does not stop when he isn't a teenager.

he has access to Tony Starks everything after Far From Home. he's effectively a billionaire.

I liked it very much, but of course Spider-Man is my guy. Bonus: son wants to watch the Raimi movie now.

This thread is pretty entertaining, too.

My 14 year-old the other day also told me that he was now watching the Raimi ones, because maybe they were the best ones.  My mind was a little blown.

14 year olds are often wrong

The Raimi movie is a fine way to get the Ben Parker origin story.

I remember Spider-Man 2 being really good.  Superhero movies have come a long way since I last saw it though.

I liked the first two, but didn't care for the third Raimi one.

No one did.
 
Raimi Spider-Man 2 is just great, minus the unexplained weird scenes with the Russian girl who lives in Parker's building.

The Garfield Spider-Mans are just so mediocre that it's hard to even work up the energy required to dislike them.

I actually forgot Garfield had a 2nd movie. I don't think I saw it, but I don't really remember the first one much so who knows.

I thought that the Garfield movies had the best romantic story arc with Peter and MJ, but everything that was superhero-y was mediocre at best and downright awful at worst.

It's hard to explain at this late date why the Gwen/Peter romance seems so important and why killing her seemed so awful and yet momentous. It really happened in the comics in an organic, unexpected way: she was the dream that a lot of nerds have--super smart, independent, perceptive and eventually understanding about Peter's secrets and issues. She wasn't introduced in order to be fridged--it really felt like you knew and liked this guy and you were so happy that he was happy and she was happy and it seemed so right. It reminded me a bit of the boarding school drama To Serve Them All My Days, where the Mr. Chips/socialist teacher that you grow to love finds a wonderful woman, has kids, and then the kids and the wife get killed in an auto accident--it happens slowly enough that it doesn't seem like they're just there to deepen or complicate his character.

And the Garfield films did some honor to that one important plotline, while more or less shitting it up with every single other aspect of it.

Literally the only scene in the Garfield movies I liked was when the construction workers swung their cranes out so he could get to the building faster to uh....punch lizard or something. Don't remember.


In this case they're right. The first 2 Raimi movies are great and the 2nd one is still, arguably, one of the best super hero movies ever made with a fantastic script. As for the Russian girl Khaldun commented on, she had a point.  When Peter was at his lowest she was kind ot him and asked nothing of return. I think the intent was simply to show him that people like her existed and that he shouldn't give in to his depression.

I think Peter being lifted out of a dark moment by the regular NYC people is a true Spider-Man aspect.

careful, he's a hero

post 9/11 every ounce of shit like that sucks ass

Ugh, well, that was 18 years ago and Spider-Man was created well before that. So, let me controversially say that we should move on from 9/11. We got our Patriot Act for banking and drug sales, and new government war department already.

Spider-Man and Peter Parker, however, keep a sense of neighborhood in mind. I personally will be disappointed when Spider-Man takes on an adult persona and leading role in the MU, however inevitable it might be for him. And for all of us, as we mature.

All of this.

I'm betting the current MCU will run for another 15 years and then we'll see them do an 'Ultimate' reboot once they have all the character rights they want back.  Your Spidey's will go from '15' to low 30s and then be rebooted.  He'll be high school, juvenile college, young professional, and then psudeo Tony Stark before starting all over.

Not in this case.

Finally saw this last night.  Liked it, but noted some issues with the plot. 

One issue was the contrived nature of handing over the access to the glasses.  The second issue was if Stark did decide to build a giant orbital complex full of missiles and killer drones (which seems doubtful considering his actions in prior movies) the control would have turned over to Pepper Potts.  And it would have been really handy during Endgame.  Funny how no one thought about it.

Not doubtful at all. Stark even gets a speech in Endgame about how everyone hated it when he wanted to build a defensive shield around Earth. It makes (comic book) sense that he might have set up a drone complex on the sly, especially hidden from Pepper since she has an unfortunate anti weapons of mass destruction attitude.

And it would have been useless during Endgame, thus why Stark kept it stealthed. Thanos and his fleet would have swatted it from the sky about .5 seconds after it activated.

But yes, it has been commented that the plot was a little more juvenile than most Marvel offerings, but I imagine that was by design, and keeping that in mind I was highly entertained.

As an aside and considering the current rights issues, think we might see a "Night Monkey" movie next?

 :awesome_for_real:

Only if Sony decides that's the easiest way to retcon out the stuff they aren't allowed to use anymore. Night Monkey is part of the Spiderman franchise, they own it.

--Dave

If this was part of his defense shield against Thanos-level attacks it should be strong enough to take on Thanos.  Otherwise why waste billions building it?

It also would be pretty handy defending Pepper and the munchkin against people who want Stark technology or just some payback.  Far better in Pepper's control than an angsty hormonal teenager who can't be bothered to return the phone call of the head of SHIELD.  That's some epic level neglect right there.

Considering that I highly doubt Stark would even think twice about ghosting Fury to go on vacation, I don't really think that works as a valid argument.

It wasn't meant to take on Thanos. That was Ultron, and it didn't turn out too well.

And blowing billions is sorta Stark's thing. He'll just make more.

As much as he cares for Pepper, she isn't his superhero successor (she might have been, but didn't want it). Right or wrong, Tony saw Parker as a young himself and he wanted to recognize and guide his genius, and gifting young spidey with super dangerous toys has been his way of expressing positive attention from the beginning.

Stark was kinda messed up, but it was consistent..

I agree that it is just the next step up from the Iron Spider Suit. Peter did his teenage mistake-making with that one as well.