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HaemishM
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Reply #105 on: May 21, 2020, 09:44:18 AM

That will not happen. We know that will not happen. They had that sort of opportunity tailor-made before Justice League even began filming. They could have used the successful launches of both the Arrow and Flash TV shows to set the stage for a Justice League movie. Instead, they decided that they didn't want their movies sullied by all this TV show stuff so they forced the TV shows to kill off characters that were going to be in the movies so there wouldn't be any consumer confusion (Deadshot being the specific example of this). WB has shown a particular lack of foresight and myopia where using TV series is concerned.

Is it dumb? Fuck yes. The cast of their TV properties have all done pretty well with the characters they've used especially considering the budget constraints and in some cases bad writing. As badly as Marvel failed on their integration with the TV shows and the MCU, WB has done infinitely worse, and there is no indication they have even the slightest interest or ability in rectifying that situation.

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Reply #106 on: May 21, 2020, 11:12:18 AM

WB has a long history of being stupid on this particular point--that somehow it creates confusion if you let multiple versions of the same character be around at the same time in different media or adaptations. They did that shit all the way back to the Dini/Timm Batman cartoon, and it's never made any real sense.
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Reply #107 on: May 21, 2020, 12:43:12 PM

You're assuming they can't learn from their mistakes. 

Which... yeah.  Correct.

As I said, if *I*were running these DC properties, that would be my plan.

On a side note: In the Arrowverse we now have cast Superman, Batman (in appearance at least), Flash, Martian Man Hunter, Hawkman, Firestorm, and potentially Green Lantern.  We've also nearly And they set up a Hall of Justice.  I am betting that 2022 or 2023 we get a crossover even that features the origin of the Justice League, and has it with Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman.

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Reply #108 on: May 21, 2020, 01:43:24 PM

I kind of feel like the Arrowverse is going to wind down in the next 2-3 years. They've sort of squandered some of the goodwill by struggling to keep forward momentum in their best shows, the cheapness of the look is starting to take a toll, and now they've got the headache of having to recast Batwoman.
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Reply #109 on: May 21, 2020, 01:51:07 PM

I think they'll keep it alive a lot longer.

* Legends, Supergirl, Black Lightning, and The Arrow/Canaries show likely will not have long lives.  I would not be surprised if all 4 exit in 2020 to 2021 (I know they will not return until 2021 - but we may get an announcement that the shows will be entering their final season at some point).
* Flash will continue - and I think it will have a Supernatural length run.
* Superman and Lois will become a flagship for them.
* Batwoman will continue for a few seasons if they find a good replacement - if not it may fold, but...
* I expect that they'll secure the ability to do a Batman show once they do end Batwoman.
* I also expect we'll get an actual team show with better characters than Legends.  Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, etc...
* I also expect them to cross over into the Stargirl series if it is a hit.

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Reply #110 on: May 21, 2020, 02:25:13 PM

The should just cancel Batwoman. It's a total loss. It's way too grimdark to follow the successful formula the other DC shows have.
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Reply #111 on: May 21, 2020, 02:29:15 PM

I saw the Stargirl pilot and it left me feeling pretty meh. Other DC shows I watch hooked me from the very beginning.
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Reply #112 on: May 21, 2020, 02:45:57 PM

I saw the Stargirl pilot and it left me feeling pretty meh. Other DC shows I watch hooked me from the very beginning.
I just watched it.  It has a different esthetic and build.  They may need some time to find their footing.  It wasn't horrible, so they hve me for at least 5 episodes.

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Reply #113 on: May 21, 2020, 10:37:08 PM

I haven't watched Stargirl yet, but based on the current slate, I don't expect them to wind down the Arrowverse anytime soon. I give the Flash about 2 more seasons minimum before they end it. They are still doing another Legends season and while I love that show for how silly it is, holy shit is it silly.

They've already established the Justice League in the Hall of Justice, and Supergirl has that team doing a version of the Watchtower. They have plenty of room to run this thing into the ground.

I was surprised to see Superman & Lois appear in the "Coming Soon" on the CW Roku app. I have heard nothing about it, but I dig the actor/character take they've done on Superman so far.

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Reply #114 on: May 22, 2020, 08:18:58 AM

Superman and Lois sounds like it has the most potential of any of the new spinoffs.

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Reply #115 on: May 22, 2020, 08:44:58 AM

Superman and Lois is about Superman and Lois raising 2 super kids in Metropolis. I don't expect it to start out as straight Superman stories, but the evolution to that will likely be short.  If you recall that Diggle was moving to Metropolis at the end of the Arrow and found a green glowing something in something that crashed from space, they set him up to be part of the show (whether that was a GL ring to pay off on all those hints or Kryptonite).

As for Stargirl - it takes place in a different universe.  It is a universe with most of the trappings of Old Earth 2.  Basically, gorgeous 'teen' (young looking twenty year old actress) in tight clothes doing gymnastic fighting while fondling a giant rod.  So, yeah.  It will definitely have an audience.  The budget for the show looks bigger than other Berlanti shows first episodes, I think.  The pilot had some decent action, but the main character was not compelling to me.  

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Reply #116 on: May 22, 2020, 09:30:02 AM

I think that Stripey has the potential to be the show's Jar Jar Binks.
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Reply #117 on: May 22, 2020, 11:12:46 AM

I think that Stripey has the potential to be the show's Jar Jar Binks.
How so?  Just a universally annoying character?  Or did you find him offensive somehow? 

I mean, "accidentally" giving your hot teen stepdaughter your rod and then realizing she got in trouble isn't exactly a father of the year story.

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Reply #118 on: May 22, 2020, 12:45:39 PM

Nah he's just annoying. So far at least. I'll probably give it a season and see where it goes. Maybe Starman was just a dick for treating him the way he did.
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