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Reply #385 on: April 30, 2019, 03:53:01 PM

Valve Index pre-orders open tomorrow, shipping by June 28. 1079€ for the whole package (headset, controllers, 2 base stations).

The specs look really nice, and with physical IPD adjustment it will actually be usable by people like me, unlike the new Oculus models.

Store page: https://store.steampowered.com/valveindex

Product page and specs: https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/index



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Reply #386 on: April 30, 2019, 05:25:08 PM

you mean $749 (or I guess the bloated version is $999).

For a second I thought it was $1200+ and I was like "u high"

but no, u euro
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Reply #387 on: April 30, 2019, 06:11:58 PM

you mean $749 (or I guess the bloated version is $999).

If you don't have a Vive already, the "bloated" version is the only one you can use, isn't it? Otherwise you will not have any base stations.
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Reply #388 on: April 30, 2019, 10:06:36 PM

Wow, lots to unpack with that list of specs.  Needs a bit closer look, but this looks like the big leap people were anticipating it to be.  Their description of the FOV makes me scratch my head.

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Reply #389 on: May 01, 2019, 09:11:17 AM

you mean $749 (or I guess the bloated version is $999).

For a second I thought it was $1200+ and I was like "u high"

but no, u euro

Maybe I have been drinking too much....but it is 1200, no?

Pretty steep, more than I paid for the full Vive package a couple years ago.  I am currently staring at the pre-order screen as it counts down.  What to do, what to do.  On the one hand, the Vive has been worth every bit that I paid for it, and more.  A thousand bucks or whatever I paid for it, and way more entertainment for the buck than any piece of consumer electronics.  And I have lots.  So who am I kidding? 

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Reply #390 on: May 01, 2019, 09:14:15 AM

I'll likely dip in the pool with this one...but I'm not pre-ordering it for v1 hardware  awesome, for real

If they nail it out of the gate, I'll likely pick one up on black friday.
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Reply #391 on: May 01, 2019, 09:24:38 AM

The foolish part of my is rationalizing that there will only be v1 hardware (that was true of the Vive), and maybe that is correct in a sense.  Oculus took all those risks, everyone else is now making incremental improvements.  And if, for example, there are comfort issues or whatever, they will not make a v2, they will sell upgraded parts to swap out.  That seems to be the model now for this stuff.

The better argument is that the price will inevitably drop, especially as there seems to be a bunch of HMDs coming out this year.  The hardware market for VR is really booming.  Software.......meh.

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Reply #392 on: May 01, 2019, 10:10:43 AM

Aaaaaaaaaaaand I managed to hold out for seven whole minutes.  Or more accurately, seven minutes of refreshing until it finally accepted my order.

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Reply #393 on: May 01, 2019, 10:30:47 AM

i did not buy this shit
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Reply #394 on: May 01, 2019, 10:50:29 AM


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Reply #395 on: May 01, 2019, 11:45:12 AM

it doesn't even come with a game
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Reply #396 on: May 01, 2019, 11:51:59 AM

True.  Valve has 3 in production, at least one of which is coming this year.  Even money that one of those will be a HL title, but I would not personally bet on it. 

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Reply #397 on: May 02, 2019, 09:05:44 AM

I'm in wait and see mode. The Rift S isn't a big enough upgrade to invest in, though the Index might be. They don't even ship to Canada currently though, so I can be patient.

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Reply #398 on: May 02, 2019, 09:44:14 AM

Well, according to Redit, it all sold out pretty quickly, so next shipments are like August or September or something.  And yeah, no Canada for some reason.

Early hands-on reviews I have seen have been very positive.  I am feeling okay about this so far.

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Reply #399 on: May 02, 2019, 11:07:21 AM

The hands-on are suspicious but more than one specifically said: "This is a giant leap we were waiting for".

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Reply #400 on: May 02, 2019, 11:13:02 AM

without an omnidirectional treadmill, any leap is bullshit
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Reply #401 on: May 02, 2019, 05:06:28 PM

i don't want a treadmill, i want one with a sort if reverse AR that can show me the normal VR image with my keyboard and hands overlayed in, so I can type and generally use the keyboard as appropriate to the PC master race while in VR.

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Reply #402 on: May 02, 2019, 05:42:36 PM

i don't want a treadmill, i want one with a sort if reverse AR that can show me the normal VR image with my keyboard and hands overlayed in, so I can type and generally use the keyboard as appropriate to the PC master race while in VR.

This is me too. I don't want to be flailing around with swords or having to actually do spin kicks in VR. I want to sit calmly on my sofa while looking around in 3-D.

Which would limit me to Elite:Dangerous VR, as far as I can tell now. With an invisible keyboard (which is not *that* bad -- I can touch type).
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Reply #403 on: May 02, 2019, 09:56:39 PM

Knowing what I know now, I am not sure I really would want a treadmill.  The room scale implementation already has you standing a lot, and depending on the game, squatting a lot.  It tires you out.  I am in good shape, but sneaking around Skyrim for an hour or so will tire me out.  A treadmill sounds fun for short bursts, but I dunno.

And you SAY you don't want to flail around with swords, but maybe that's because you haven't tried it?  It doesn't necessarily replace your other kinds of gaming (I myself am using more time on non VR stuff these days)...it is a different thing entirely.

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Reply #404 on: May 02, 2019, 09:59:43 PM

i don't want a treadmill, i want one with a sort if reverse AR that can show me the normal VR image with my keyboard and hands overlayed in, so I can type and generally use the keyboard as appropriate to the PC master race while in VR.

Oh, I definitely just want to use my mouse and keyboard in vr

but for the full experience, I wouldn't want anything less than omnidirection treadmill

that's the "big leap" that matters
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Reply #405 on: May 02, 2019, 10:14:15 PM

i don't want a treadmill, i want one with a sort if reverse AR that can show me the normal VR image with my keyboard and hands overlayed in, so I can type and generally use the keyboard as appropriate to the PC master race while in VR.

This is me too. I don't want to be flailing around with swords or having to actually do spin kicks in VR. I want to sit calmly on my sofa while looking around in 3-D.

Which would limit me to Elite:Dangerous VR, as far as I can tell now. With an invisible keyboard (which is not *that* bad -- I can touch type).

All the new systems have passthrough.
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Reply #406 on: May 02, 2019, 10:19:18 PM

Yeah, the Index is being launched with dual cameras.  People are currently scratching their heads because Valve hasn't told them what to use it for, but I assume it can be used eventually both as simple passthrough or for more complicated AR applications.

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Reply #407 on: May 03, 2019, 08:26:36 AM

One thing I liked about the Index controller teaser, looks like a first step toward more complex hand controls. I think that's another important step in the virtual space (though I'm in the "I want to use my traditional controls, just with a VR display" camp). Gestures are a natural step, gloves with more sensors, maybe even multiple controller layouts. Go all utility belt, sheath your sword controller and pull out your gun controller.

Anyway, looking forward to the Cyrrex report in advance of black friday :)
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Reply #408 on: May 03, 2019, 09:18:17 AM

AND YOU WILL HEAR PLENTY

I am of two minds about the new controllers, because the wands are probaby better for some things.  Swords for one.  But more complex controls going forward is a good thing.  And I wonder how much one can mix and match.  Change controllers on the fly?

They say there is perceptable lag with the new controllers, but that it is no biggie.  We will see.

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Reply #409 on: May 03, 2019, 12:10:49 PM

I'll probably grab a Quest when they release at the end of the month.

I just got back into VR and I can't fucking stand having wires.  But games like Beat Saber, Eleven Table Tennis and Windlands really show some amazing experiences for 1 hour sessions.
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Reply #410 on: May 03, 2019, 01:02:11 PM

Knowing what I know now, I am not sure I really would want a treadmill.  The room scale implementation already has you standing a lot, and depending on the game, squatting a lot.  It tires you out.  I am in good shape, but sneaking around Skyrim for an hour or so will tire me out.  A treadmill sounds fun for short bursts, but I dunno.

And you SAY you don't want to flail around with swords, but maybe that's because you haven't tried it?  It doesn't necessarily replace your other kinds of gaming (I myself am using more time on non VR stuff these days)...it is a different thing entirely.

Games like Beat Saber do look a blast, but I see me playing them more like I play Rockband now -- infrequently, when I'm stuck inside but with a lot of energy (wintertime usually), and when nobody else is in the house. For regular gaming after a tiring day I want to be a couch potato with my dogs piled around me, but in 3-D.

Hearing that practical passthrough is a thing really makes me perk up with interest. And a lightweight VR that enabled good quality Augmented Reality will get my wallet open in a hurry.

I don't think we're there yet, but I will also be looking forward to the Cyrrex review these upcoming holidays!
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Reply #411 on: May 03, 2019, 02:08:40 PM

Hearing that practical passthrough is a thing really makes me perk up with interest. And a lightweight VR that enabled good quality Augmented Reality will get my wallet open in a hurry.

I don't think we're there yet, but I will also be looking forward to the Cyrrex review these upcoming holidays!

Here's what I was talking about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/bkbn0s/quest_boundary_passthrough_is_really_useful_to/
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Reply #412 on: May 03, 2019, 03:27:46 PM

I haven't bought VR gear yet because I've been kinda waiting for the second generation of this stuff so they'd have a chance to apply the lessons they learned from the first round.  The headsets with features like the off-ear speakers look really nice; this might be the level of polish I've been waiting for.  I too will be waiting for the Black Friday sales and some more reviews though.   Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #413 on: May 03, 2019, 11:42:23 PM

Passthrough like what is in that video is basically already a thing, or at least can be done with the existing tech.  The Index will have stereo cameras, so there is no reason you cannot do this and a whole lot more with AR.  As with most things VR, the hardware is ahead of the software.  It is more a question of when and if developers will leverage what is already there.  

Mandella, you put your finger on something noteworthy.  VR is not the thing you do when you want to come home and relax.  It is not relaxing.  For newcomers, it will fuck with your mind in more ways than one.  It causes some eye strain.  It is not terribly comfortable.  It usually has you standing for long periods.  Some games will physically tire you out.  Some games will make you sweat.  While it is still video gaming in every sense, it would be fair to say it is a different experience in almost every way...it is more like taking on an additional hobby, rather than an upgrade of your current gaming experience.  It is just more visceral in every sense.

There are still lots of more relaxing sit-down experiences.  But even those are intense and will wear you out.  And thatīs before we ever talk about, ahem, porn.

I am actually REALLY interested in the off-ear speakers.  I dislike using the headphones, and even with the deluxe audio strap for the Vive, I do not use them.  I choose to forego the convenience and the directional sound in favor of using my surround receiver instead.  If I am going to play Sith Lord wandering the wastes in Fallout, I want to feel that shit in the soles of my feet.  But the off-ear stuff...if it sounds as good as they say, and maybe I can rig my subwoofer to play at the same time?  Well that would be interesting.

Last but not least, it is worth noting that Valve says they are working on 3 VR titles.  They say that they will be releasing a “flagship” game sometime in 2019.  It is a good bet that at least one of those games is HL, Portal or L4D.  I am thinking it will be Portal.  Not only does that seem like the perfect kind of game for VR, but they already have made a bunch of shit using similar art assets.

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Reply #414 on: May 03, 2019, 11:46:29 PM

valve can't count to 3, only 2 of those games will ever release
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Reply #415 on: May 03, 2019, 11:54:11 PM

Probably.  But I still bet there will be a big one.  And maybe nothing else ever.

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Reply #416 on: May 04, 2019, 08:08:24 PM

Mandella, you put your finger on something noteworthy.  VR is not the thing you do when you want to come home and relax.  It is not relaxing.  For newcomers, it will fuck with your mind in more ways than one.  It causes some eye strain.  It is not terribly comfortable.  It usually has you standing for long periods.  Some games will physically tire you out.  Some games will make you sweat.  While it is still video gaming in every sense, it would be fair to say it is a different experience in almost every way...it is more like taking on an additional hobby, rather than an upgrade of your current gaming experience.  It is just more visceral in every sense.
Aaand suddenly less interested. I just want a 3d headset for my games, not a jumping around my living room simulator.
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Reply #417 on: May 05, 2019, 03:57:18 AM

Donīt get me wrong, it is not because those kinds of games donīt exist.  There a numerous space sims (ED for one), Dirt Rally is amazing, Subnautica, and a bunch of others I am probably not even aware of.  But the tech really isnīt designed around that sort of thing, and it isnīt like you can just play all your regular stuff in 3D.  And even if you could, it probably would not be the best way to play those games anyway.  And you would still get tired from wearing the gear.  I am actually pretty curious to see if the improved clarity resolution of the Index helps with the fatigue.

On the other hand, PSVR probably has a lot more sit-down stuff.  Maybe that would be your thing.

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Reply #418 on: May 05, 2019, 06:33:14 AM

I'm with Sky; I want a badass headset to look around modded Minecraft in, while still playing with a kb+m. If I wanted to stand up (or run on a treadmill ACK!) and flail fake swords around, I'd have gotten into LARPing.

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Reply #419 on: May 05, 2019, 11:23:52 AM

Same. Not interested at the moment in standing up while playing videogames. Maybe one day, with specific games.

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