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Reply #245 on: March 20, 2016, 05:25:25 PM


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Reply #246 on: March 20, 2016, 05:37:10 PM

You didn't miss it, but I think we're seeing a setup for the Defenders.

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Reply #247 on: March 20, 2016, 06:52:16 PM

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Reply #248 on: March 20, 2016, 08:12:59 PM

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Oh man, wrong answer.   ACK!

But so the right response. I almost expected a cheesy good-guy rage scene, not the actual response.

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Reply #249 on: March 21, 2016, 10:04:51 AM

Now that I've distanced myself by a few days, I still love the second season, but do have a few problems with it:


All in all, I'm thinking this would have been better had they done a Punisher series (or movie) and then had him guest star in an episode or two of Daredevil after his origin story was complete.  Their stories were too distinct by the end of the series.  Pulling them back together at the end felt forced.

I am also still disappointed that Netflix, ABC and the movie folks are not coordinating better.  They talked a good game once upon a time, but (as most here expected - I was wrong, they were right) did not live up to it.  The NY skyline needs to show Avengers tower - it is literally a few blocks from Hell's Kitchen (theoretical address is 200 Park - the Metlife building) and it towers over everything when the movies or ABC series show it.  There are Inhumans showing up all over the world - and that doesn't even get a reference here or in Civil War (reportedly)?  There are a few superficial ties (a certain corporation that has been in the movies, ABC shows and Netflix), but I'm disappointed.  They couldn't have a brief reference at the newspaper about the global weirdness?  One reference by a character to Inhumans or metahumans to acknowledge this 'global threat' that the governments of the world are worried about?  There is a thematic tie between Daredevil series 2 and Civil War, but if they do not cross reference... poop.

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Reply #250 on: March 21, 2016, 10:37:09 AM

I'm pretty sure the people who write for netflix don't have any love for the 1 hour commercial that is agents of shield or carter. And good riddance, the Movies have no obligation to the TV series, fucking Winter Soldier proves that and the tv series (the abc ones) are vanity projects with dubious intentions at best and no direction at worse. Also its pretty dumb that you can have the universes "connected" but none of the heroes cross over. There is nothing covert or undercover about whats going on in shield, yet we are to believe that said not so covert and not so secretive not shield can't call help from iron man or captain america or black widow or hawk eye or falcon, despite having all their numbers on speed dial. Its dumb. How would a MCU version of daredevil work? Captain American kills people without consideration or probably even registering that he super kicked someones spine in half before letting them drown in the Atlantic. Will he get a morality lecture from daredevil? Why does daredevil need to care about what happened in winter soldier? Or Avengers 2? Or that shitty thor movie.

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Reply #251 on: March 21, 2016, 11:31:52 AM


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Reply #252 on: March 21, 2016, 12:05:45 PM


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Reply #253 on: March 21, 2016, 01:11:02 PM

OK JG I wanna go over your points and no, not to shit all over them but to maybe provide a fresh perspective and insight.  You aren't wrong on all of them either.


Also as said above, the best thing the netflix shows can do is ignore the existence of the network shows, lord knows I try to.

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Reply #254 on: March 21, 2016, 02:01:26 PM


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Reply #255 on: March 21, 2016, 05:08:08 PM

I... kind of have to agree with MediumHigh ACK! swamp poop in that I don't think the universes need to overlap much. One of the big, big problems comics have with the shared universe thing is that different characters really do better dealing with different issues. Street level heros aren't just street level because of their powers (though that is definitely part of it) but also because of the kind of dilemmas they face and the kinds of the challenges they have. Balancing your real life and vigilantism works if it's Daredevil, it's a lot less interesting if it's Tony Stark trying to run his multi-million dollar corporation and balancing his saving the world from terrorists with nukes versus attending charity galas to fund research into Zika. Likewise you can care about killing people when it's up close fighting, trying to put down gangs with conventional weapons. If Captain America was agonising over every alien invader or neo-Nazi in a tank he was taking down surviving it would come off as ridiculous.

They should go on concentrating on telling consistent stories for their heroes. A shared universe through occasional nods is nice but I'd rather they're doing something good with the characters and frankly the Netflix stuff is way better than even the best of the movies.


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Reply #256 on: March 21, 2016, 05:35:38 PM

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Reply #257 on: March 21, 2016, 07:56:42 PM

Question about the last episode and Punisher:
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Reply #258 on: March 21, 2016, 08:10:15 PM

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Reply #259 on: March 22, 2016, 03:56:37 AM

I'm on episode 6 or 7 - the Elektra parts are awful. The Wacky Adventures of Elektra and Matt just aren't doing anything for me at all, it feels very cliche and hokey and her character isn't working for me at all.

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I am also still disappointed that Netflix, ABC and the movie folks are not coordinating better.  They talked a good game once upon a time, but (as most here expected - I was wrong, they were right) did not live up to it.  The NY skyline needs to show Avengers tower - it is literally a few blocks from Hell's Kitchen (theoretical address is 200 Park - the Metlife building) and it towers over everything when the movies or ABC series show it.  There are Inhumans showing up all over the world - and that doesn't even get a reference here or in Civil War (reportedly)?  There are a few superficial ties (a certain corporation that has been in the movies, ABC shows and Netflix), but I'm disappointed.  They couldn't have a brief reference at the newspaper about the global weirdness?  One reference by a character to Inhumans or metahumans to acknowledge this 'global threat' that the governments of the world are worried about?  There is a thematic tie between Daredevil series 2 and Civil War, but if they do not cross reference... poop.

Just accept that the ABC shows are fucking garbage that exist only to make money and employ less-talented Whedons. If you were making major Hollywood movies or prestige Netflix shows would you want to tightly coordinate with shitty network shows that look like ass, are written like ass and acted like ass, and that rely on D-list characters like "generic strong black guy" and "captain mcdipshit"?

I'd wager that the vast majority of people working on Netflix and movies haven't even seen the ABC shows.

The worst thing the Netflix shows could do is make pointless diversions into Inumans garbage. Like, the show is supposed to pause for a bit so that the characters can discuss a guy with CGI skin covering his eyes that looks so amateurish that I thought it was a Netflix encoding problem rather than a visual effect?

The shows exist simply to make money. Not to tell stories worth telling, not to enhance the mythology, not to seed concepts into the movies - an accountant saw that the Marvel movies were doing well and figured TV shows could also do well. That's it.

Accept it! Not everything exists for grand creative vision reasons.
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Reply #260 on: March 22, 2016, 06:04:31 AM


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Reply #261 on: March 22, 2016, 10:57:10 AM

I enjoyed the season, but it definitely felt like it was an episode short of what it needed to properly address the various plot points and their resolutions. I liked it more than the first season, overall, but it didn't feel as well put together as the first.
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Reply #262 on: March 22, 2016, 12:01:15 PM

Yeah I think the lost plot elements will be going into the next season/show.  They did the same thing with season 1 and them never explaining why the only reason the Yakuza was working with Fisk was for that one block.
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Reply #263 on: March 22, 2016, 04:23:12 PM

I thought the first season started out well but then got a lot worse in the back half and I felt the same here. All the ninja stuff just doesn't do it for me.


I ended up feeling pretty much the same about the second season as I did the first - I think both would work better as maybe 8 episode installments, that were tighter and didn't devolve into Foot Clan shenanigans.

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Reply #264 on: March 22, 2016, 06:04:30 PM


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Reply #265 on: March 22, 2016, 06:08:22 PM

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Reply #266 on: March 23, 2016, 04:20:10 PM


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Reply #267 on: March 25, 2016, 10:29:15 AM

Finally finished binging this, but I am still going to put off RL productivity by joining this thread..

 Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

So many things done well. Better suit, great Punisher, Melvin, great storyline (again), so many others I'll need to spoiler.


Even though I've done the cliched internet thing of spending ten times the text on the stuff I didn't like over the stuff I did, the bottom line is that Netflix is still knocking it out of the park with its contribution to the MCU. Great job transcending comic book tropes to bring us a great show that totally stands on its own and also comfortably lives in the overall universe.

Really looking forward to Luke Cage now.



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Reply #268 on: March 25, 2016, 07:53:00 PM

I think it's fair to say that DD's powers make no fucking sense.

He can somehow hear that a metal box is full of military-grade rifle shells, but he can't hear people running around....what? It's probably best not to think about it, because there's no way to make what he can and can't do make any sense.

He can navigate around the environment, which means his "sonar" works on non-moving objects like walls and light posts. How then would it not work on people moving around, who both reflect "sonar" and make noise themselves?

It's obviously way too late for this, but I think it would be interesting if they had made an effort to think a bit more about his powers and made it so that he can make out shapes and movement, but not do things like sense an object inside another object. But that ship has sailed - his powers are really just magic, and the Hand dudes had anti-magic auras.

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Reply #269 on: March 25, 2016, 09:14:16 PM

I think it's fair to say that DD's powers make no fucking sense.

He can somehow hear that a metal box is full of military-grade rifle shells, but he can't hear people running around....what? It's probably best not to think about it, because there's no way to make what he can and can't do make any sense.

He can navigate around the environment, which means his "sonar" works on non-moving objects like walls and light posts. How then would it not work on people moving around, who both reflect "sonar" and make noise themselves?

It's obviously way too late for this, but I think it would be interesting if they had made an effort to think a bit more about his powers and made it so that he can make out shapes and movement, but not do things like sense an object inside another object. But that ship has sailed - his powers are really just magic, and the Hand dudes had anti-magic auras.

DD has super-smell and super-touch too, according to other incidents in both seasons; apart from the Hand thing many of the other power uses seemed to stem from using senses other than hearing. There was still a generous dose of powers working/not working right for dramatic purposes, though, just like in every other superhero movie/show/comic.

As for the Hand issues,
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Reply #270 on: March 26, 2016, 09:53:34 AM

One really small issue I have about 4 episodes in, Charlie Cox seems to have forgotten to act blind.

Last year they went to a lot of effort to not have him indicate what he was thinking about by having him stare at something. This time he's glancing around like a crazy person.

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Reply #271 on: March 26, 2016, 01:49:36 PM


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Reply #272 on: April 09, 2016, 02:33:36 AM

I'm 9 episodes in, just watched the one with

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Reply #273 on: April 09, 2016, 09:28:09 AM

The MCU has about as much in common with the main Marvel continuity as the Ultimate version did. Some characters are very similar. Others, not so much...

And some MCU characters have been written very differently over the years. She has been a bit inconsistent if I recall correctly.

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Reply #274 on: January 18, 2017, 09:32:47 AM

I finally watched the 2nd season a while ago and just now got to reading this thread.

The Hand ARE magic. Fucking ninja clan, man. Of course they are magic. In Elektra: Assassin, it was firmly established that the Hand has some mystic "The Beast" in a hole somewhere and worships it, and it gives them mystical powers. It corrupted Elektra young (after she met and left Matt Murdock in college) and one of the stories after her first death in the comics was about the Hand (and later one of Stick's disciples, Stone) resurrecting her. So while they changed the timeline of how Elektra gets corrupted by the Hand, expect the 3rd season of Daredevil to be The Hand/Elektra vs. Daredevil with some Kingpin and Bullseye on one side of it and Bullseye to kill Elektra again.

I also expect a good deal of season 3's dramatic arc is Matt trying to rationalize his acceptance of Castle's violence. Also, hopefully the Punisher show will be Frank Castle On The Road. Bernthal as the Punisher was just the best interpretation of that character ever. He was perfect.

I'd be fine if they tied the Netflix stuff loosely to some of the Agents of Shield stuff, but I like AOS. It's also not really necessary as one of the things they seem to be saying with the Netflix stuff is "these are the places the 'Gods' of the Marvel Universe don't see and can't affect - it's too small for them" even when it isn't. Spider-Man would be a good bridge to that but that won't happen.

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Reply #275 on: January 18, 2017, 11:57:20 AM

I was the most hopeful that they'd tie ABC, Netflix and the movies together. 

So sadly disappointed.  Netflix shows are great, but in relation to the MCU movies, they're just fan fiction.

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Reply #276 on: January 18, 2017, 12:24:58 PM

Bernthal as the Punisher was just the best interpretation of that character ever. He was perfect.
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Reply #277 on: January 18, 2017, 12:27:28 PM

Agents is fan fiction.

Netflix comes across as an entirely separate continuity.

And I'm good with that. I only wish they'd stop shoehorning unnecessary film references into them.

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Reply #278 on: January 18, 2017, 12:53:13 PM

My dream is that they do a Punisher series that basically translates the Punisher: Born comic into Afghanistan.

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Reply #279 on: January 19, 2017, 06:50:43 AM

I was the most hopeful that they'd tie ABC, Netflix and the movies together. 

So sadly disappointed.  Netflix shows are great, but in relation to the MCU movies, they're just fan fiction.

Netflix really seem more like side canon. They don't directly interact and its unlikely they're going to be making world changing events or similar that will end up with the movies contradicting them. Unless you were hoping for events in Netflix series to be referenced/actually effect the MCU? Unlikely simply because the co-ordination involved seems more than anyone would be willing to do even if it would be relatively minor.

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