GET YER E3 BULLSHIT RIGHT HERE

[Ingmar]

The trend of having anyone say anything criticizing the Xbone will automatically be deemed a troll is aggravating... predictable, but seriously aggravating. Bring up a few very important short comings of the Xbone without even mentioning the PS4 and you are deemed a troll and hand-waved off as a Sony fanboy. I hardly see the opposite happening with any type of frequency. I know I shouldn't be, but I am a little astounded by the head-in-the-sand reaction to everyone who is sticking by the Xbone.

Uh... are we reading the same thread?

[Sky]

I think he meant outside our happy little garden of open-mindedness here.

I also prefer the xbox controller over the dual shock's lowered left thumbstick, the triggers over the shoulder buttons, etc. Just means I"ll enjoy that more with my PC and makes no dent on the trainwreck of the XBone 'pre-launch' info.

[Nonentity]

So, out of boredom at seeing everything I wanted and wanting to sit down for a while, I waited in line to see the Titanfall demo.

They just basically showed a full match from start to finish of the game, with about 8-10 real life players, and they showed the screens of two people playing.

As someone who still loves shooters, that game looks fucking ace. That's probably the most impressive AAA game I saw there (since Dark Souls 2 wasn't on the show floor, BUT THEY HAD A NAMCO BOOTH OUTSIDE FOR PAC MAN WOO fucking fuck fuck).

[Ingmar]

I will say that the 'family' game sharing thing on Xbone actually sounds pretty great.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/

It’s a “family” affair

Since its announcement, there has been some confusion over the details of sharing your Xbox One game library with up to ten "family members." Mehdi couldn't give comprehensive details, but he did clarify some things.

For one, a family member doesn't have to be a "blood relative," he said, eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit. For another, they don't have to live in the primary owner's house—I could name a friend that lives 3,000 miles away as one of my "family members" Mehdi said.

You'll be able to link other Xbox Live accounts as having shared access to your library when you first set up a system and will also be able to add them later on (though specific details of how you manage these relationships is still not being discussed). The only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be playing the shared copy of a single game at any given time. All in all, this does sound like a pretty convenient feature that's more workable than simply passing discs around amongst friends who are actually in your area.

[Nonentity]

For how much they're trying to negate the sharing of physical media, this sounds like a concession they're giving to try and get people to get into the mindset of digital sharing over physical sharing.

I'm all for it since all the restrictions don't really affect me as an internet-laden single-user console.

[schild]

Family sharing is not a feature. The ps3 had it, steam has it. It's just basically letting people log into your account in a hybrid way. Shit with the ps3 you could log into my account, download a game and log back into your account and we could play together.

Microsoft is reaching.

[Phred]

That last post broke my hyperbole detector

I think it was on the fritz when you made the post he replied to.

[01101010]

I think he meant outside our happy little garden of open-mindedness here.

Yeah, sorry I wasn't clearer on that point. Not here, but in my other haunts.

[MrHat]

Not sure if anyone saw this:

http://pastebin.com/uCmdh9jB

[Teleku]

Please just let steambox actually be workable and crush them before they eventually pull their heads out of their asses.  I want Valve setting the foundation and laws of digital only consoles, not MS.

[jakonovski]

Haha, that guy was non-ironically gushing about using IE.

[HaemishM]

Please just let steambox actually be workable and crush them before they eventually pull their heads out of their asses.  I want Valve setting the foundation and laws of digital only consoles, not MS.

So... so THIS. Microsoft has shown no desire whatsoever to make consumer-friendly products.

[Soln]

I wish I hadn't read all that.  Just solidifies not wanting anything but Windows on a PC in my house.  And even then we have other OS'.

[Fabricated]

Not sure if anyone saw this:

Yeah I saw that and provided it's real I want to Fargo that guy into a wood chipper.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Lol at the idea of digital games being cheaper. Steam sales aside, big companies won't be giving up the $60 price point no matter how much they save.

[Fabricated]

lol

[01101010]

Sadly, my G+ friend will go out and buy a shit ton of that branded shit just because it says Xbox One or decidedly related to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQEVgbMqq7o

edit: for da link!

[Merusk]

Not sure if anyone saw this:

Yeah I saw that and provided it's real I want to Fargo that guy into a wood chipper.

It's real in the same way all spin doctoring is real.   He's doing a good job of it, I'll admit.  I hope he's being well-paid for his 'engineering.'  I wonder where you get the social engineering degree.  How much of that is on the PE?

[Paelos]

When anybody uses the phrase, "Just think about it," they've already lost an argument somewhere and are scrambling for damage control.

[Maledict]

Please just let steambox actually be workable and crush them before they eventually pull their heads out of their asses.  I want Valve setting the foundation and laws of digital only consoles, not MS.

Steam box is dead on arrival. Think even Valve are giving up on the idea.

If you want the comfort, ease of use and accessibility of a console you need to design and build like a console. You cannot, cannot have different spec units out in the world. That's the entire advantage consoles have - everything is fixed and you can develop based on that. Unless valve become much tighter with specs steam box will just be a bad PC no-one buys.

[Stormwaltz]

(XBone Mountain Dew and Doritos)

Needs a branded Geoff Keighley to complete the set.

[Teleku]

Please just let steambox actually be workable and crush them before they eventually pull their heads out of their asses.  I want Valve setting the foundation and laws of digital only consoles, not MS.

Steam box is dead on arrival. Think even Valve are giving up on the idea.

If you want the comfort, ease of use and accessibility of a console you need to design and build like a console. You cannot, cannot have different spec units out in the world. That's the entire advantage consoles have - everything is fixed and you can develop based on that. Unless valve become much tighter with specs steam box will just be a bad PC no-one buys.

Yeah, that's been my main concern as well.  Though its not necessarily a bad idea if they make it like android, where any hardware maker can try to make the best version, but they all run the same unified OS which valve controls.  I can see that working, but they seem to be dropping the ball.

But again, fake engineer guy is correct that all digital consoles are likely the future (if they can break free of the power of the big box retailers.  A big if), and I'd really rather see somebody than the current crop of giant corporate jackasses beat them to the punch and set the trend.

[Maledict]

The article on gamesindustry.biz summed it up superbly I thought:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-14-the-xbox-one-question-why-did-microsoft-do-it

Microsoft is trying to force what would happen naturally over time, presumably because for once they don't want to be behind the curve on something. But they honestly don't have a clue what they are doing at all and have fucked up royally.

As an example of this bad press translating into reality. Amazon.us has sold out of the playstation 4 launch edition, and the playstation 4 non-launch edition is currently the number 1 item selling. The Xbox launch edition still hasn't sold out and is being outsold by the non-launch ps4 version. That means that even if both consoles had exactly the same number of units supplied, the PS4 is outselling the XBO by a *huge* amount.

And we know that in fact the XBO supply is much more limited than than the PS4...

[Paelos]

In 20 years maybe everything is net-connected and nobody worries about always online because connectivity is almost constant. Right now? They were extremely dumb to make that decision, leaving the floodgates wide open for another company to just continue status-quo and call it a victory.

EDIT: The other thing I've always preached about restrictions on games? You have to provide a legit service to the consumer. It can't just be about protecting the company, or people WILL balk at it. MS's paltry attempt at a service doesn't meet that requirement.

[Rokal]

After the E3 announcements I bought a 25 ft. HDMI cable and some clips to run it along the wall. I hooked my PC up to my 42 inch LCD, turned on my wireless 360 controller connected by a USB dongle, and checked out Steam's Big Picture mode. Overall it was great, definitely useable with a controller and it was even easy to find which games I owned that supported controller play, take screenshots, buy stuff, etc. Steam will even allow you to automatically change the default monitor when you launch big picture mode (and then switch it back when you exit). Nice and painless. Playing Sonic Racing Transformed at 1080p and 60 FPS on a big TV was glorious.

The entry price for a next-gen console experience, if you own an average gaming PC*, is about $10 it turns out.

*and have the correct room layout

[Teleku]

I'm just amazed Apple hasn't jumped into the fray yet.  They make a ton of bank already from games through iPad/iPhone and have a fairly mature OS/code base that could be updated to handle console development.  Most of their products are all digital platforms already and they have been pushing the front edge of that for years.  Consumer electronic devices are what they do best.  They need to find new sources of revenue.

Just.... They'd be crazy not to make the plunge sometime in the neat future.  Just seems too logical, especially with the opening they are being given by Nintendo and MS collectively shitting themselves this gen.

[rk47]

(XBone Mountain Dew and Doritos)

Needs a branded Geoff Keighley to complete the set.

[Quinton]

My money is on Cupertino waiting until they have a digital tv/movie content story that rivals basic cable before making a big living room play.

[Quinton]

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html

You know how EA's COO Peter Moore told Geoff Keighley during the post-conference interview at E3 that the games they were showing off on stage were running on comparable dev kit specs to the actual home consoles? Well...that's not really true. What is true, however, is that to get the best performance on home console games, Microsoft made sure that they were running on the most stable system specs available on the market and that happened to be an HP powered, Windows 7 system with Nvidia's 700 series GTX GPU.

Plenty of innocuous reasons they could be using non-xbone hardware, of course, but people are going to have fun with this either way...

[Kageru]

The difference between microsoft and steam is that one is, or wants to be, an exclusive and proprietary platform. If you don't want to use steam to buy a game in most cases you have alternatives and steam does not mandate exclusive contracts. That means they have to compete with the market rather than try and use exclusive content to make sure they don't have to.

Steam box is dead on arrival. Think even Valve are giving up on the idea.

Nah, steam box is still perfectly valid. There's a market opportunity for a cheap "idiot PC" that can get some economy of scale and someone other than microsoft pushing for a unified spec for PC gaming. And it wouldn't cost Valve much to do that if they could force the PC makers to show some initiative and independence.. though that is a bit of an ask. I'd think Nvidia would certainly be keen on the idea though if they're going to waste money on useless things like "shield".

[HaemishM]

Please just let steambox actually be workable and crush them before they eventually pull their heads out of their asses.  I want Valve setting the foundation and laws of digital only consoles, not MS.

Steam box is dead on arrival. Think even Valve are giving up on the idea.

I think you're going to have to source that claim, because nothing I've seen or heard even remotely agrees with you.

[Jeff Kelly]

This story just keeps on giving.

Wonder what happens if your Xbox One live account get's banned? You forfeit all of your games that are tied to the account.

http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.png

So your fancy >1000$ game lib just went away just because someone claimed you called him a dick over voice chat.

[Jeff Kelly]

The article on gamesindustry.biz summed it up superbly I thought:

They missed a really important bit (talking about echo chamber) and that is that the Xbox One is basically an Xbox USA. Every feature is entirely focused on the realities of the US games and TV market. Most of the One's features only make sense if you are in the US (or don't even there). Some only matter for US costumers (cable boxes and controlling them, fantasy football for example) and many features probably will never work outside the US if the 360 is any indication.

case in point "they all come with an end-user license agreement or some other form of terms and conditions, pages and pages of (mostly unenforceable) legal nonsense which outlines the idea that you haven't bought a product, you've licensed something for use in a very specific and restricted set of circumstances."

Shrinkwrap licenses and EULA's are completely unenforcable over here because our first sale doctrine doesn't discriminate against digital goods. In fact we won't even see a lot of the legalese that was created for the US but would be unenforceable here.

They mention echo chambers in the text yet fail to realize that they themselves are arguing entirely about the relities of the US business.

[Velorath]

This story just keeps on giving.

Wonder what happens if your Xbox One live account get's banned? You forfeit all of your games that are tied to the account.

http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.png

So your fancy >1000$ game lib just went away just because someone claimed you called him a dick over voice chat.

Have you ever played a game on Live? Using profanity seems to be the last thing that would get you banned.

[jakonovski]

Hah, Microsoft seems to have slapped an extra 30€ on the XBone price in Finland, so it's now 399€ PS4 and 529€ XBone.

edit: looks like the same on PS4, so it'll be 429€. Good old Finland, always finding ways to deflate sales across the board.