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Reply #840 on: June 20, 2015, 11:31:38 PM

So, let me get this straight. Instead of doing the normal MMO thing and allowing people in the expansion zones right away (as long as you're max level or close) with a possible 'fast track' through vanilla content to get everyone caught up and playing the expansion, you actually have to go through the entire story (including the fetch-quest heavy stuff they added in patches as well as a whole lot of dungeons) and progress your gear using the same old currencies until you're finally past the attunement / gating?

All that can easily take a month of play, or more. How are the "I left this game x years ago with a non-endgame character and bought the expansion to see its content" people reacting? Does this also apply to the new classes?!

edit: It seems there's a gear catch-up mechanism at least.
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Reply #841 on: June 21, 2015, 06:17:38 PM

You cannot unlock the new classes without access to the city in the expansion, so you cannot even play those until you progress through the old story.

Also the new classes begin at level 30.

Also the main story quests you get starting at level 50 now give higher-end gear, which means you'll reach the gear item level without having to run a bunch of random dungeons to get geared.
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Reply #842 on: June 21, 2015, 07:27:56 PM

It's Square. What else would you expect? They are still on a monthly sub and have to milk that for what it's worth. It's a Japanese grinder, plain and simple.

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Reply #843 on: June 22, 2015, 02:35:02 PM

It's Square. What else would you expect? They are still on a monthly sub and have to milk that for what it's worth. It's a Japanese grinder, plain and simple.

This is true but it is fun for a while.  I played for a few months and liked it until it made me cranky and tired.

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Reply #844 on: June 22, 2015, 04:09:02 PM

It's Square. What else would you expect? They are still on a monthly sub and have to milk that for what it's worth. It's a Japanese grinder, plain and simple.

This is true but it is fun for a while.  I played for a few months and liked it until it made me cranky and tired.

Exactly the same reaction. 50 Scholar and I just got frustrated with stuff. Nothing specific though. Loved the setting and the feel and the look of the game. Even played well, but it was a shell of FFXI.

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Reply #845 on: June 22, 2015, 04:12:01 PM

Downloading the Free Trial; never played a FF game (including FFXI), don't know anything about the setting. This will be interesting  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #846 on: July 04, 2015, 12:26:13 AM

Every single goddamn voice is now British.  Yugiri's is some sort of weird whatever, but everyone sounds like they've been ripped from a theatrical production of Harry Potter.  It's grating.

New content is nice, but this is just strange.  I have no idea why they would do this.  Well other than, "this was cheaper".
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Reply #847 on: July 04, 2015, 12:41:17 AM

So that means that every single character is now a bad guy?  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #848 on: July 04, 2015, 10:21:26 AM

Every single goddamn voice is now British.  Yugiri's is some sort of weird whatever, but everyone sounds like they've been ripped from a theatrical production of Harry Potter.  It's grating.

New content is nice, but this is just strange.  I have no idea why they would do this.  Well other than, "this was cheaper".
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Reply #849 on: July 04, 2015, 03:31:07 PM

Every single goddamn voice is now British.  Yugiri's is some sort of weird whatever, but everyone sounds like they've been ripped from a theatrical production of Harry Potter.  It's grating.

New content is nice, but this is just strange.  I have no idea why they would do this.  Well other than, "this was cheaper".

I imagine it was less cost-related and more related to scheduling with the ARR voice actors. From what I understand, most everything pre-Heavensward was recorded back when 2.0 was still in development, and it wasn't until the expac was in development did new stuff need to be recorded.

Some of the VAs are still the same, and a couple are still the same, but with different voice direction.
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Reply #850 on: July 04, 2015, 07:37:06 PM

I'm trying to play this with friends and while it's pretty okay in dungeons the leveling experience is fucking dreadful.

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Reply #851 on: July 04, 2015, 10:56:12 PM

Once you hit 14/15, you should probably just level through dungeons and do the story quest line just for the unlocks.  Relatively few unlocks are outside of it. 

There's some rough patches in the story, I won't lie.  You're part God slayer, part errand runner.

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Reply #852 on: July 06, 2015, 04:22:39 PM

Square Enix is suspending sales of the Mac version and offering refunds to those who want them.  Apparently a lot of hipsters were having problems running it on their 8 year old Macs or couldn't get it going at all. Facepalm

Seriously, unless you want to just keep playing Bejeweled, Farmville, Angry Birds or some random indie 16 bit platformer, get a PC FFS.  PC Master Race 4Life. Rock Out

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Reply #853 on: October 20, 2017, 02:26:41 PM

Necro!

First of all, this game has something like 10 million active subscriptions, trying as much as possible to prove that very traditional MMORPGs (tab targeting, slow global cooldown, not free to play) are far from being dead.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-14-crosses-10-million-players/1100-6452413/

But the latest news is about a recent expansion which added instanced housing that still comes in limited supplies (!), and since we have been talking to Raph an UO lately I can't help but feel that it's 1997 land rush all over again! I'm loving it!

https://www.vg247.com/2017/10/19/youre-960th-in-queue-final-fantasy-14s-shirogane-housing-is-a-disaster/

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Reply #854 on: October 20, 2017, 02:57:06 PM

I could care less about player housing. It's nothing but total fluff to me.

But congrats to them on outpacing WoW. It's well deserved, and one of the only mulligans in MMOs to actually be successful. I should come back for 4.1, since I gave up on Destiny 2 for now.

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Reply #855 on: October 20, 2017, 03:01:45 PM

Well, I could agree with you but the reality is that MMORPGs are ALL about the fluff. There is not a single thing that isn't fluff in MMORPGs.

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Reply #856 on: October 20, 2017, 03:10:53 PM

I suppose. I can understand limiting guild housing for the semi-serious to serious guilds that are involved with the game, as that makes them special and adds a return for their involvement in the game. I don't understand the limitation on apartment housing for individual players. Didn't everyone just get a free customizable apartment in FF XI? Aside from having to actually save and store the data, what the difference between the four-walled instanced area I get put in when I (if ever) check into a town inn and going to a four-walled instanced apartment?

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Reply #857 on: October 20, 2017, 09:32:00 PM

I could care less about player housing. It's nothing but total fluff to me.

But congrats to them on outpacing WoW. It's well deserved, and one of the only mulligans in MMOs to actually be successful. I should come back for 4.1, since I gave up on Destiny 2 for now.
I don't think they've passed WoW; the 10 million figure is total accounts, of which WoW has over 100m.

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Reply #858 on: October 21, 2017, 01:20:59 AM

I suppose. I can understand limiting guild housing for the semi-serious to serious guilds that are involved with the game, as that makes them special and adds a return for their involvement in the game. I don't understand the limitation on apartment housing for individual players. Didn't everyone just get a free customizable apartment in FF XI? Aside from having to actually save and store the data, what the difference between the four-walled instanced area I get put in when I (if ever) check into a town inn and going to a four-walled instanced apartment?

Everyone can buy an instanced apartment nowadays, those are not limited. It's the (land) plots where you can build an actual house that are limited.

for example (my house on a land plot):
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Reply #859 on: October 21, 2017, 05:28:49 PM

Instanced apartments are absolutely limited in number. It's a much higher number, but they're still very limited and on pretty much any decently populated server, every apartment is spoken for.
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Reply #860 on: October 22, 2017, 12:01:25 AM

Instanced apartments are absolutely limited in number. It's a much higher number, but they're still very limited and on pretty much any decently populated server, every apartment is spoken for.

My bad. I must have mixed them with the instanced housing in the FC mansions. It also seems that at least Hyperion (which is not the most populated server) has lots of room in the apartments at Shirogane.
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Reply #861 on: December 13, 2017, 12:44:20 PM

this game is such a fucken turd, the fact that there is no real job system or depth... in fact, all mmos have been so bad i think im going home.. back to FFXI.
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Reply #862 on: December 13, 2017, 12:53:22 PM

this game is such a fucken turd, the fact that there is no real job system or depth... in fact, all mmos have been so bad i think im going home.. back to FFXI.

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Reply #863 on: December 14, 2017, 10:16:06 AM

this game is such a fucken turd, the fact that there is no real job system or depth... in fact, all mmos have been so bad i think im going home.. back to FFXI.

I have my "dumbass who measures his life's worth by how rare loot is" decoder right here...

Translation:  This game is too easy.  People get stuff that I do, so how can I lord it over them.  I'm going back to a game where only .01% even see the last half of the game, as God intended.
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Reply #864 on: December 19, 2017, 01:19:32 PM

So, no matter my above post fom 2 years ago, I've only been playing this game for a week. I purchased the basic edition because, what the hell, a big chunk of the game coming with a 30 days subscription for only $9.99...why not.

I can only talk about my initial leveling experience (which is now accelerated below lv 60, and I dislike XP boosts I can't toggle off) with a pugilist, who is now lv 18.

There is a lot of stuff to do, big city hub is not confusing, but I really don't like the fact that the crafting teachers are spread among the big cities (I really would like to start leatherworking but I'm still stuck in the zones outside Ul'dah. Being able to potentially learn everything and instantly switch between professions is interesting, but of course I still have to experience that to its full potential.
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Now, I never played a FF game, so I'm not into the world, characters lore or anything, but I'm finding the leveling experience very, VERY dull (I'm more of a roleplaying/leveling/alt guy rather than an endgame fanatic). I guess it inevitably comes to a matter of personal taste, but in the very recent past I played (and still playing):

- ESO
- LOTRO
- EQ2

All three are better than FFXIV when it comes, at least, to the early leveling experience. Yes, even nowadays EQ2, IMO. Anyway, I'll keep playing (because, like I said, the overall experience is undoubtedly very smooth and organized) and see if it gets better.

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Reply #865 on: December 19, 2017, 01:27:08 PM

Unless you like/need crafting, forget about it. Focus on leveling a class/job and enjoy the single-player story. You can always come back and do crafting when you've unlocked "all the things", which makes crafting easier anyways.

In regards to the story, yes, it's dull at first; coming off the huge-ass mulligan they did from version 1 was hard. I can affirm that it gets better, esp. once you get to the end. The Heavensward and Stormblood story lines are much more refined and fleshed out.
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Reply #866 on: December 19, 2017, 01:36:05 PM

At launch, the single player story was fucking awful and forever taking. Constant running back and forth fedex quest bullshit mixed with dumb cutscenes, all of which gated major gameplay systems. Combined with slow combat and slow movement speed, it made me never want to roll an alt.

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Reply #867 on: December 21, 2017, 12:37:31 PM

I have been wanting to love this game since launch and then relaunch. I have put money into it twice (for me and my partner), I installed and uninstalled and reinstalled about four times in different years, and I still cannot enjoy it. Say what you want but Grunk is right in my opinion especially because this is the successor of a specific game and that inevitably carries some expectations along with the distinctive traits of that game. Sure, the MMORPG landscape has changed but the result is, in my unpopular opinion, such a watered down and dull experience that managed to bring me back to it over and over simply because of the wonderful graphics, visuals, musics and all that the world has to offer from an aesthetic point of view.

MMORPGs have been mostly a solo experience for a long time now, but in the case of Final Fantasy this is even more disappointing. I am not asking for punishment, I am not asking for an insanely slow level grind, but to see games like Final Fantasy XIV and EQ2 transformed into clicker games where all you have to do is fedex left and right as fast and efficiently as you can to eventually get to the fun or the parts where you HAVE to group is boring and dull as hell to me.

I understand that FF14 requires grouping later on, but I just can't get to that later on. As I said, I tried so many times including a month ago. I always stop around level 18 - 23. The leveling is SO INCREDIBLY DULL. The old style combat could be great if the game posed  some sort of an old style challenge. When you pretty much kill everything super easily for 20+ levels, absolutely by yourself, but have to do it at 1 mph, I have to give up.

After the golden years, MMORPGs started to have a hard time convincing people that needing to play with other people was fun, so they switched to solo experiences in a shared universe and locked only bits under the grouping wall. Realizing that was becoming pretty tedious and losing the novely effect a lot of companies started to put the fun in the combat itself. Since you had to do the same thing over and over for weeks, the least they could do was to make it flashy. But FF14 forgot to add that part. They wanted to look and feel similar to the old school days in many departments, and just left us with this incredibly tedious SOLO and slo-mo leveling experience.

I understand there is a lot to like in FF14 and I have tried so many times to get to that part. This just does not work for me cause it creates a clear dissonance between what I am brought to believe/hope/wish (a modernized Old School experience, a 2010s version of EQ and FF11) and what it actually is (a slower, Japanese take on WoW).

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Reply #868 on: December 21, 2017, 12:42:52 PM

I forgot to mention. Itemization in the first 20 levels is the least interesting in the history of MMORPG.s That didn't exactly propels the fun or the desire to grow for me.

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Reply #869 on: January 07, 2018, 08:48:06 AM

I agree with a lot of your analysis, but for me the thing that finally wore me down to a nubbin was the awfully lazy quest writing. Not the story writing, which is anywhere from bad to great, but the quests themselves are at first hilariously stupid and then once the joke wears off, an indicator of the condescension the writers have for their player base. Having you fetch a glass of milk for someone right next to the purveyor of milk is fine as a gag quest, but they use it as a dang model, and its just pure filler. I don't know why they do this, or how it even goes unnoticed by the creator himself, since its clear he loves his franchise, but its like they're terrified players are going to tire of their game the moment the story is over so they stuff their story with pointless humiliating quests. So ya, fuck this game.

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Reply #870 on: January 19, 2018, 11:30:18 AM

4.2 trailer

Looks like a raid in the vein of FFVI is coming. Would be fantastic if the Phantom Train is suplexable.  awesome, for real


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Reply #871 on: January 20, 2018, 11:37:27 AM

The ultimate fix would be to allow alts to skip the MSQ once you bring one character through it.  However, changing your appearance (which is essentially what an alt is, especially in a game where one character can be all the classes) and skipping MSQ are cash shop items.  Cash shop in a sub game lol.
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Reply #872 on: January 20, 2018, 04:31:30 PM

The ultimate fix would be to allow alts to skip the MSQ once you bring one character through it.  However, changing your appearance (which is essentially what an alt is, especially in a game where one character can be all the classes) and skipping MSQ are cash shop items.  Cash shop in a sub game lol.

Well, yeah. Honestly I don't know why one would need an alt in this game. Probably why they have a cheaper sub price if you just roll one toon.

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Reply #873 on: January 21, 2018, 01:39:39 PM

The ultimate fix would be to allow alts to skip the MSQ once you bring one character through it.  However, changing your appearance (which is essentially what an alt is, especially in a game where one character can be all the classes) and skipping MSQ are cash shop items.  Cash shop in a sub game lol.

Well, yeah. Honestly I don't know why one would need an alt in this game. Probably why they have a cheaper sub price if you just roll one toon.

Appearance is a big thing to many.  And of course, to many it's not.  Fantasia is in the cash shop because people buy it.
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