Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[jgsugden]

My #1 rule for better tv. At least 1  person must be hit by a bullet for every second in a firefight.

[Evildrider]

So they are working on another spin off.  Sounds like it's gonna be a mid season replacement like Agent Carter.  I hope that doesn't mean no more of that, I think they could at least get another season out of it.  But, I am gonna bet on the spin off being something to do with Inhumans.

[Threash]

What spin off?

[Evildrider]

Spin off of Agents of SHIELD.  Not much is known more then that other than a couple of characters would be heading there.  I highly doubt it will be another SHIELD based show, as in like Bobbi and Macks group, and will hopefully focus on the new Inhuman story line they are showing on the show right now.

[eldaec]

Two episodes in since the restart in the UK, and it feels like this show has really changed gear.

Every subplot suddenly seems to have a much more obvious connection to the films. I was surprised they outright explained inhumans on TV first, and so far ahead of the film. Even after the first half of the season I didn't think they'd go as just to lay it all out.

The Mack/Bobbi stuff that I presume talks to Ultron and Civil War also seems potentially bolder than the CA2 twist last year.

Also,  Fitz and Simmons have been really well handled given where this show started.

[MahrinSkel]

It's also worth noting that Lucy Lawless only came in for one round of shooting back in Season 2 (for an episode and a half, or so we thought). So all of the stuff we're seeing with her now was shot then, and kept on the down-low since.

--Dave

[Fordel]

Every subplot suddenly seems to have a much more obvious connection to the films. I was surprised they outright explained inhumans on TV first, and so far ahead of the film. Even after the first half of the season I didn't think they'd go as just to lay it all out.

I'm not, they are going to introduce InHumans as a concept from multiple properties/vectors, to get the general public on board with the idea.

The actual InHumans movie will prooooobably be about mass terrigensis, to mirror the comics. They are making a big deal about the process being rare and secret in the show currently, establishing that baseline so then we have a contrast when whoever manages to unleash this all onto the world and suddenly grandma has superpowers.

[Teleku]

I really hope it doesn't go that route.  An inadverdant upside to Marvel not owning the X-men rights is that in this world, super powers are still God damn rare.  In the comics, the mutants alone had hundreds of thousands of the fuckers running around.  Which I think hurts the shared universe.  I Really like the current MCU where superpowers are still fairly rare.  I know they are basically using the inhumans as a stand in for the xmen, but with the way they work, the amount of them running around can be severely restricted.  Rather than having ever other God damn human being born with powers like it became in the comic universe.

[jgsugden]

They're slowly making the MCU more like the comics.  I feel that the huge change is going to come sooner rather than later.  Think about how MAoS led up to Cap 2, and then think about what they're doing right now leading up to Avengers 2...

[Lakov_Sanite]

They're slowly making the MCU more like the comics.  I feel that the huge change is going to come sooner rather than later.  Think about how MAoS led up to Cap 2, and then think about what they're doing right now leading up to Avengers 2...

They are already setting up their FauX-men and their Anotherhood of evil mu-tated people.

[Tannhauser]

Very good episode, just have one major beef

[Surlyboi]

I'm ok with that. Have I mentioned how bizarrely hot I think Dichen Lachman is?

[Evildrider]

She's definitely hotter when she's cleaned up and not some post apocalyptic warrior in the 100.

[Surlyboi]

She's hot in that too though.

[Abagadro]

This show's hot babe quotient is off the charts. Palicki's rack alone.

[jgsugden]

Spinoff news....http://deadline.com/2015/04/adrianne-palicki-nick-blood-cast-agents-of-shield-spinoff-abc-marvel-1201413114/

When it was hinted she might headline the spinoff I let myself keep hope alive it could co-star Renner....

[Evildrider]

Spinoff news....http://deadline.com/2015/04/adrianne-palicki-nick-blood-cast-agents-of-shield-spinoff-abc-marvel-1201413114/

When it was hinted she might headline the spinoff I let myself keep hope alive it could co-star Renner....

I rhighly doubt Renner, outside of a cameo, is going to be offered enough money to go to TV.

[jgsugden]

Yeah... although I thought they might be able to get him to do a Netlfix series.  He isn't the biggest name on the Avengers roster... 

[Evildrider]

Yeah... although I thought they might be able to get him to do a Netlfix series.  He isn't the biggest name on the Avengers roster... 

Nothing to do with Avengers, he was making bank before that. 

[Lakov_Sanite]

Yeah... although I thought they might be able to get him to do a Netlfix series.  He isn't the biggest name on the Avengers roster... 

He's just the best actor out of them.

[jgsugden]

You folks have a higher opinion of Renner than me... and he only made a few million for Avengers. He was the lowest paid Avenger. They'don't need to open up the coffers to get 13 episodes out of him, but probably not more than Netflix pays Spacey.

[Lakov_Sanite]

 

[Evildrider]

You folks have a higher opinion of Renner than me... and he only made a few million for Avengers. He was the lowest paid Avenger. They'don't need to open up the coffers to get 13 episodes out of him, but probably not more than Netflix pays Spacey.

He wasn't the lowest paid Avenger.  Evans, Ruffalo, Hemsworth, and Renner all made about the same amount... and actually Renner made more then them if you go by the fact that his screen time was only half of the others.  

Renner is a hot commodity right now, ever since Hurt Locker actually, just look at his  upcoming pictures.  The next Bourne movie with a returning Matt Damon, he's in the new Mission Impossible, Cap 3, and Age of Ultron.

[Merusk]

Renner is also playing the Aquaman of the Avengers and doesn't have the T&A factor of ScarJo so he's going to make less if you're going by 'fan attraction power.  '
http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lifestyle/entertainment/marvels-the-avengers-salaries/

As for his acting ability, he's in the same league as Downey, Johannson & Jackson for number of awards with a shorter film career & credit list than they have.
1970's for Jackson; 159 credits, 1980s for Downey; 82 credits, 1990s for Johansson; 52 credits & 1990s for Renner; 49 credits
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[Evildrider]

Renner is also playing the Aquaman of the Avengers and doesn't have the T&A factor of ScarJo so he's going to make less if you're going by 'fan attraction power.  '

They would totally kill it if they just made his character like the Hawkeye in his last comic series.  Hell that would be the only way I could see him doing a Netflix show.  He's definitely not going to do more then cameos on an ABC show.  Besides, Hunter has pretty much taken the romantic role that Hawkeye should have had with Mockingbird.  Putting those two together on the new SHIELD show is all the romantic tension they will need.  I don't see them fleshing out Hawkeye enough to where they have time for a romantic arc unless he gets a solo movie anyway.

[Velorath]

You folks have a higher opinion of Renner than me... and he only made a few million for Avengers. He was the lowest paid Avenger. They'don't need to open up the coffers to get 13 episodes out of him, but probably not more than Netflix pays Spacey.

Spacey makes half a million per episode, which is fairly high, and he's not exactly a box office draw. The first Horrible Bosses movie was the first movie he's been in since Superman Returns in 2006 that's grossed over $100 million domestically. In the last six years, Jeremy Renner has been in three major franchises (Avengers, Bourne, and Mission Impossible), was Oscar nominated for Hurt Locker and the Town, and was also in American Hustle which was a Best Picture Oscar nominated movie and made around &150 million. He's in Age of Ultron and the new Mission Impossible this Summer, Civil War next year, and there's still talk of another Bourne movie. Doing a TV series right now would probably be more work for less money, and not be anywhere near as good for his career as some of the other opportunities he probably has.

[jgsugden]

Which major film is he slated for where he isn't clearly second fiddle?

[Lakov_Sanite]

Just, stop.  We all get that to a marvel fanboy that hawkeye is pretty much aquaman, so obviously the actor MUST be a second fiddle guy.  To the rest of the movie going world however Renner is a damn fine actor that pisses all over half the avengers cast.  So let's not take our delusions of worth based on role in an ensemble comic cast as some sort of actor value chart because that is just fucking stupid.

[Pennilenko]

Just, stop.  We all get that to a marvel fanboy that hawkeye is pretty much aquaman, so obviously the actor MUST be a second fiddle guy.  To the rest of the movie going world however Renner is a damn fine actor that pisses all over half the avengers cast.  So let's not take our delusions of worth based on role in an ensemble comic cast as some sort of actor value chart because that is just fucking stupid.

[HaemishM]

Hey, I'm a fan of Renner's AND Hawkeye, and all the people who think he's the Aquaman of the Avengers can suck a nut.

[Raguel]

Hey, I'm a fan of Renner's AND Hawkeye, and all the people who think he's the Aquaman of the Avengers can suck a nut.

I'm a fan of Hawkeye. Kate's better though. 

[jgsugden]

For the record, Hawkeye is one of my favorite characters.  I started collecting with Iron Man 200 (Stark returns to the role of Iron Man and faces off against Stane as Iron Monger) and West Coast Avengers #1 - so the MCU has a real tie to the start of my collecting experience for me.  It took a long time for me to see Green Arrow as anything other than a Hawkeye rip-off, despite the 'age' of both characters. 

From my perspective, we have yet to see Hawkeye really be Hawkeye.  I think the thing I'm most looking forward to seeing in AoU is some actual Hawkeye story rather than the mind control / combat only role he played in Avenger I. 

However, I am not a huge fan of Renner.  His action stuff has been fine, but not notable (Mission Impossible, Bourne, Avengers, Hansel & WtF?).  His other stuff has been widely spaced in quality between very good (Hurt Locker) and not so good.  I have no problem with him and don't object to him as an actor - but he isn't someone that pulls me to the box office.  In all honesty, when I heard they cast him, I thought they'd done a good job *because I thought he was a guy that could be persuaded to do TV* which would allow them to create more fluidity between the movies and the TV shows.  Hawkeye, as a non-super hero, can be done on a small screen budget. 

Regardless, much ado about nothing right now.  It doesn't seem to be in the cards.  The Hawkeye/Mockingbird storyline I'd love to see played out over a few seasons on Netflix isn't going to happen...

OOC: Anyone catch the funny thing about having Mockingbird paired up with someone known as Hunter for her first major relationship on screen?

[taolurker]

Renner's past two dramatic roles, I felt like he hit them both out of the park. In American Hustle he was a the mayor of Atlantic City (and was spectacular) and in in Kill the Messenger he was completely believable (and was better than some other leading actors last year who were nominated IMO) as Gary Webb, the smeared journalist who uncovered the CIA drug smuggling.

[Threash]

Renner was awesome as a drug dealer in the best episode of Louie also. As far as the show goes, i like Hunter and Bobbi as part of the group but there is no way they can carry a spin off by themselves.  FitzSimmons would make for a better show.

[Evildrider]

My guess is they end up leading and training some super powered people For SHIELD.