Lakov_Sanite
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Even though it's gotten better it's still...I dunno, compelling would be the word.
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The Hawkeye/Mockingbird storyline I'd love to see played out over a few seasons on Netflix isn't going to happen...
What storyline would that be? She spent more time dead in the comics than they spent married. Aside from doing a sitcom with them training the Great Lakes Avengers I'm struggling to think of any Hawkeye/Mockingbird stories I'd like to see adapted. Like you and some of the others here, I'm a fan of Hawkeye in the comics. He's one of the few characters that's actually grown and evolved as a person over the years (aside from his death in the horrible Avengers Disassembled) as opposed to most characters who have a status quo they always return to. His relationship with Mockingbird though, at least from the comics I've read, is one of the dullest bits of his history to me and I can't think of any real reason to make it an aspect of the MCU other than "well, they were married in the comics". |
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CmdrSlack
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The Hawkeye/Mockingbird storyline I'd love to see played out over a few seasons on Netflix isn't going to happen...
What storyline would that be? She spent more time dead in the comics than they spent married. Aside from doing a sitcom with them training the Great Lakes Avengers I'm struggling to think of any Hawkeye/Mockingbird stories I'd like to see adapted. Like you and some of the others here, I'm a fan of Hawkeye in the comics. He's one of the few characters that's actually grown and evolved as a person over the years (aside from his death in the horrible Avengers Disassembled) as opposed to most characters who have a status quo they always return to. His relationship with Mockingbird though, at least from the comics I've read, is one of the dullest bits of his history to me and I can't think of any real reason to make it an aspect of the MCU other than "well, they were married in the comics". Sign me up for a Netflix adaptation of Fraction's run. The current "flashback to kid Hawkeye" run is also pretty good so far. |
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jgsugden
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The first Hawkeye / Mockingbird miniseries would be a fine starting point, though a bit dated. I've thought a Bruce Willis-esque Moonlighting/Die Hard/Hudson Hawk vibe for such a tale would work (Mr. and Mrs Smith hit the vibe I'd target). If they did a few seasons, the coming together could be season one, then something based upon the West Coast Avengers run where Bobbi murders for vengeance (without the time travel)...
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Velorath
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then something based upon the West Coast Avengers run where Bobbi murders for vengeance (without the time travel)...
Doesn't really work that well in the MCU where they don't have the firm "heroes never kill" rule. Actually that story didn't really work in the comics either and made Hawkeye look like a tremendous dick. |
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jgsugden
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then something based upon the West Coast Avengers run where Bobbi murders for vengeance (without the time travel)...
Doesn't really work that well in the MCU where they don't have the firm "heroes never kill" rule. Actually that story didn't really work in the comics either and made Hawkeye look like a tremendous dick. The story took place in the 1800s... he was supposed to treat her horribly and act like a sexist dick. |
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Fordel
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More actual gunplay AND some power usage. At this rate you'll spoiled us Shield!
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Threash
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So Skye is basically Black Widow with super powers that she can fully control now. At this point she is basically an Avenger level hero.
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Fordel
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Raguel
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I haven't seen tonight's episode yet, but it seems to me the actress playing Skye has improved tremendously. She used to be horrible IMO but now I think she's doing a good job.
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Evildrider
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Although she's not a great actress, I think it had more to do with her character just kinda being unlikable first season.
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Abagadro
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Her crazy acrobat killing spree was total bullshit from a character perspective but was still pretty sweet.
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jgsugden
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They've had her training with some of the best SHIELD agents in the history of the agency - her spree was not entirely unearned... and was on par with some of the good fight scenes from Daredevil.
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Abagadro
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Eh, still seemed like a bit of a level-up, but I'm not really complaining. Very good direction for TV without a doubt.
Plus the Sonic reference made me legit laugh out loud.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
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Fordel
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Tannhauser
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Yeah, the Skye scene I thought was pretty cool, especially for network TV. Very good episode.
Skye: Raina, what do you see?
Raina: The sky ripped apart! Armies of machines! The Avengers: Age of Ultron in theaters May 1st!
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Ironwood
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Yeah, the Skye scene I thought was pretty cool, especially for network TV. Very good episode.
Skye: Raina, what do you see?
Raina: The sky ripped apart! Armies of machines! The Avengers: Age of Ultron in theaters May 1st!
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Evildrider
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Man such a good episode. I hope it continues like this and rolls into season 3.
I really like "bad guy" Ward better than the stiff one that was in season 1.
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jgsugden
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One of the better episodes - and least watched. I expected a small bump in ratings leading into Avengers II...
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Fordel
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It will be the other way around, the show will get a bump once people watch AV2.
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Threash
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That one long take of Skye kicking ass was pretty damn good. Should've been May though.
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HaemishM
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That one long take of Skye kicking ass was pretty damn good. Should've been May though.
That OVER 9000!!!!! Skye fight was great, as was the Sonic reference. I've gone from absolutely hating Skye to really digging her. The only character I'm not really enthused by is Reyna. |
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DraconianOne
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Wait wait - we're not going to talk about Simmons? WTF was going on there?
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A point can be MOOT. MUTE is more along the lines of what you should be. - WayAbvPar
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Fordel
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Character growth isn't always positive.
It fits in with what she's been through and her new take on things.
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DraconianOne
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Yeah, I get that - I just didn't expect them to go through with it. I'm pleased they did.
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A point can be MOOT. MUTE is more along the lines of what you should be. - WayAbvPar
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jgsugden
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I'm wondering if she ends up as a villain...
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Riggswolfe
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I'm wondering if she ends up as a villain...
I think Ward's response might have been an eye opener. I also like how Ward is transitioning to a more anti-hero role and away from being a pure psychopath. I'd like to see him team up with them again. I also loved the tension and anger during the briefing. |
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sickrubik
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The "redemption" of Ward is probably the weakest part of the season so far for me. I need to revisit the season, but they seemed to have just kind of dropped the ball a bit on him. He left being this crazy person and now is back and is all touchy-feely? Just feels poorly written.
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jgsugden
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I don't think I'd call it a redemption story... at least not yet. He is a man willing to do very bad things when he thinks it is what is necessary. He really cared about the people on the team. He just cared about Garrett more. Garrett's goals and the team's goals were at odds, and he chose Garrett. Now, with Garrett gone, he wishes he could get back what he felt and experienced when he was with the team... but doesn't see a path to getting there. He said all of this in the briefing scene and I don't think he was lying.
I think we saw Coulson getting that in this last episode. I wouldn't say Coulson trusts Ward, but I would say he believes him. Earlier in the season, Coulson clearly wanted to punish Ward. Now, I think he sees Ward as someone that made bad choices for understandable reasons - and realizes there is room to use him as a resource in the right circumstances (as he just did). Melinda is there, too, I think, although there has been less screen time devoted to it. Fitz, Simmons and Skye are not there for their own personal reasons.
Of course, as Ward looks like he is putting a plot into place with Agent 33 being planted into SHIELD, there are additional layers here... I just don't see Ward's endgame, yet. There is a reason she was in this season and it wasn't to show Ward's fuzzy side. I think the end shot of the season might be a cliffhanger with her betraying SHIELD for Ward. With Garrett gone, his family dead, and him not really being shown to care about anyone that isn't on the SHIELD team... I'm kind of at a loss of what he might want out of life at this point. The character seems to have no obvious direction other than being that puppy locked outside on a rainy night while the family watches TV on the other side of the glass door.
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Fordel
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Yea, don't mistake any of that for some kind of redemption on Ward's part. That is pure psychopathic manipulation for whatever crazy goal he is working towards.
On Simmons, I would have been annoyed if they DIDN'T go through with that. Her actions since all her trauma are VERY real and believable. If they just had her go back to ho hum science science conscience conscience rah... that would be a pile I wouldn't buy. People don't change, but shit can change people and she's sifted through a LOT of shit in a very small amount of time.
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sickrubik
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There's a reason why i put quotes around the word. Regardless of where it's going, it's badly constructed. It's felt like I missed a couple episodes somewhere.
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jgsugden
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.. It's felt like I missed a couple episodes somewhere.
I felt like they had a change in direction somewhere in the middle of the season. In retrospect, if you look at Season 1, you can see how every episode set up the end ... but this season feels like it wandered a lot more. The plan was not as tight - or at least that is how it seems... |
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sickrubik
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Okay, so I'm not wholly alone on that.. at least in a general sense.
It's weird. Overall, I've enjoyed the second season a lot more, but in some ways, it feels like they are kind of stumbling on an indentity.... the fact that the season just doesn't end going into A2 feels a bit weird too. That part could pan out just fine, mind you.
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jgsugden
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They had a whole team throughout most of season 1 and then fractured it with a traitor, an injury, people going away on solo missions, and new team members. It wasn't the story of a small team anymore - it was a story of a few members of a larger team. If they spin off some of those characters and bring everyone back under Fury and make it more of a 'Coulson's team' story, I think we'll see the cohesion from season 1 return... but again, I'm not sure that is entirely a good thing.
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Fordel
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We need to see how the next few episodes post AV2 work out, then we'll know where its going. It could go either way currently.
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