Disney buying Lucasfilm

[Sky]

but The Mouse

Damn, forgot who we were talking about there. Yes, this is a two round cut. Round 1; cut anything they don't have rock solid exclusive rights to. Round 2; quality/viability stuff we're talking about here.

[Fordel]

The only StarWars books I enjoyed were the Republic/Imperial Commando ones, but I'm pretty sure those aren't even cannon right now, as they contradict a lot of stuff they did in the clonewars show.

[murdoc]

It's been years since I read any of the EU books, but I do recall the Thrawn Trilogy being decent.

This is how I remember them as well, and I will not reread them and ruin it.

[Cyrrex]

The only StarWars books I enjoyed were the Republic/Imperial Commando ones, but I'm pretty sure those aren't even cannon right now, as they contradict a lot of stuff they did in the clonewars show.

They even agreed with the author to not finish the series.  Which is a shame, because Karen Traviss's version of both clones and Mandalorians was superior (and I actually even enjoy the clone wars cartoons).

[Khaldun]

I hope they throw out midichlorians and other prequel dumbassery along the way, along with any shitty dumb idea about Force-cancelling creatures and shit like that. The Force needs to be a genuinely mystical, obscure concept with fuzzy limits. Jedis should not be like superheroes whose powers can be listed on a character sheet, nor should they have something like kryptonite.

[Stormwaltz]

Jedi in general are too-often treated like superheroes in the EU - less in the sense of having a discrete menu of powers and weaknesses than in the sense of having powers so vaguely defined and unlimited as to be practically omnipotent. I believe I recall something about Jedi Force-throwing Star Destroyers out of solar systems. I know that foolishness is why Zahn reigned in Luke in his second duogy, and might have been why he came up with the ysalimir in his original trilogy.

There's been too much "magic army" mindset thrown into what should be treated more like a monastic order.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Are we really using duogy as a word now?

[Fordel]

The only StarWars books I enjoyed were the Republic/Imperial Commando ones, but I'm pretty sure those aren't even cannon right now, as they contradict a lot of stuff they did in the clonewars show.

They even agreed with the author to not finish the series.  Which is a shame, because Karen Traviss's version of both clones and Mandalorians was superior (and I actually even enjoy the clone wars cartoons).

I just wish they figured that out like a book earlier then they did, so the series could've had a happier ending where they all make it and live their lives out in the countryside or whatever.

[Fabricated]

Jedi in general are too-often treated like superheroes in the EU - less in the sense of having a discrete menu of powers and weaknesses than in the sense of having powers so vaguely defined and unlimited as to be practically omnipotent. I believe I recall something about Jedi Force-throwing Star Destroyers out of solar systems. I know that foolishness is why Zahn reigned in Luke in his second duogy, and might have been why he came up with the ysalimir in his original trilogy.

There's been too much "magic army" mindset thrown into what should be treated more like a monastic order.

In The Force Unleashed game Starkiller literally pulls down a Star Destroyer solo. It's hilarious.

[Malakili]

I believe I recall something about Jedi Force-throwing Star Destroyers out of solar systems.

I remember reading that one about 15 years ago or so.  If I recall correctly, they had some kind of circle going on, so it was a bunch of jedi channeling their power through one, and the one who did it might have died as a result.  In principle it's just taking Yoda's "Size matters not" to the extreme.  But at some point you've got to reign it in just for the sake of dramatic tension. 

[Teleku]

I believe I recall something about Jedi Force-throwing Star Destroyers out of solar systems.

I remember reading that one about 15 years ago or so.  If I recall correctly, they had some kind of circle going on, so it was a bunch of jedi channeling their power through one, and the one who did it might have died as a result.  In principle it's just taking Yoda's "Size matters not" to the extreme.  But at some point you've got to reign it in just for the sake of dramatic tension. 

So in the EU they basically made the force the equivelent of weaving from the WoT series.  Got it.   

[Rishathra]

I know it might be somewhat ridiculous, but I still thought it was cool when I first saw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O17j94YBCg

[eldaec]

The problem with Thrawn, is that they either have to commit to film it (which they won't), or make it a backdrop to JJA's story that the average viewer won't understand (which is even less likely), or they are forced to drop it.

 I expect they'll take the same approach taken for Trek12, wipe it all from the canon, then get some intern to sprinkle a few Tribble references over the script after the grown ups are done.

[Sky]

While I think Thrawn would make for a great antagonist in the post-Empire canon, the main reason I see them not pursuing it would be the reluctance to hand sacks of money to Zahn when they can cobble some nonsense together in-house.

[Abagadro]

I would have a high degree of confidence that the agreements for the books were works for hire with all rights being kept by Lucasfilm. It didn't become a billion dollar intellectual property by accident.

[Venkman]

I believe I recall something about Jedi Force-throwing Star Destroyers out of solar systems.

I remember reading that one about 15 years ago or so.  If I recall correctly, they had some kind of circle going on, so it was a bunch of jedi channeling their power through one, and the one who did it might have died as a result.  In principle it's just taking Yoda's "Size matters not" to the extreme.  But at some point you've got to reign it in just for the sake of dramatic tension. 

So in the EU they basically made the force the equivelent of weaving from the WoT series.  Got it.   

Not really. The EU played very loose with the Force power scales. In some books/comics you could do a spell circle to knock Star Destroyers out of orbit, or Luke could fly the Falcon alone, controlling flight as well as weapons with pinpoint accuracy, or he could Force Lightning an AT-AT down. In other books Force users had this limited mana pool not unlike an MMO spell caster (or Harry Dresden ) that required meditation of EQ1-staring-at-book attention. In some books Force Lightning was an instant indicator of a Dark Jedi user. In other books it was just a tool. In some finding someone with the Force was a mystery only Luke could solve by sending a Force pulse from his brain. In other books they had dug up some Empire tech which dig it electro-magically.

And that also goes for the level of Empire tech that went from bumbling fools inheriting the equivalent of magic from their ancestors to extremely talented scientists developing things that made a Star Destroyer look like landspeeder.

The most consistent thing was that the concepts were generally better than the telling.

Thrawn woulda been great. But they'd need to establish in canon that the Grand Moffs were all military geniousness (and redeem Tarkin's rep) to then establish why Thrawn was such a bad ass. But even if they did that, Thrawn's genious came from a pretty esoteric approach to art studies that doesn't really translate well to movies

And having written this entire post without having to look any of it up, I am thrilled I can ditch most of this knowledge soon 

[Lakov_Sanite]

I would have a high degree of confidence that the agreements for the books were works for hire with all rights being kept by Lucasfilm. It didn't become a billion dollar intellectual property by accident.

Pretty much this.  The rights are not in question at all, this is all about keeping the brand tight, for lack of a better word. 

[Phildo]

Thrawn woulda been great. But they'd need to establish in canon that the Grand Moffs were all military geniousness (and redeem Tarkin's rep) to then establish why Thrawn was such a bad ass. But even if they did that, Thrawn's genious came from a pretty esoteric approach to art studies that doesn't really translate well to movies

Thrawn was a Grand Admiral, not a Moff.  Duh!

And having written this entire post without having to look any of it up, I am thrilled I can ditch most of this knowledge soon 

Oh god, me too.  I stopped reading these things in 98, but that shit sticks with you.

[Sir T]

That woman who did all the Mandalorian books with their silly made up language and how they were so baddass that they could dear apart a Jedi with their bare hands and oh god yes will probably be crying into her mandalorian cups.

Mind you, I cant wait for the nerd war between the Pure EU and New EU Nerds. IT WILL NEVER END!!

[Ironwood]

I know it might be somewhat ridiculous, but I still thought it was cool when I first saw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O17j94YBCg

That's hugely retarded.

[eldaec]

Looking at some of the links around this, the quotes from inside the Rat seem to put it differently to the way we are looking it.

The position is that today the EU is just bullshit, all of it. So what is happening here is some sliver of EU might be promoted from its current bullshit status to canon. It's not getting rid, its working out if anything is worth having in the first place.



Also, I don't think we've mentioned it here, but Micheal Arndt has left the project and Lawrence Kasdan is now credited as producer and writer. Kasdan should be getting my nerd juices flowing, but honestly I think I'd take Toy Story 3 and Little Miss Sunshine guy over the chap whose last notable writing credit was The Bodyguard. This announcement has me imagining Abrams thinking 'fuck it, I don't need no stinking writer', the internet seems to believe the problem stemmed from the 2015 release date.

[Sir T]

I know it might be somewhat ridiculous, but I still thought it was cool when I first saw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O17j94YBCg

That's hugely retarded.

Quite apart from the whole crashing the star destroyer, what was it with people who thought that holding a sword upside down makes it badass. I think it looks stupid.

[Yegolev]

Same way that backward hats are cool.fact

[luckton]

Same way that backward hats are cool.fact

 

[DraconianOne]

but honestly I think I'd take Toy Story 3 and Little Miss Sunshine guy over the chap whose last notable writing credit was The Bodyguard.

So did Abrams but then he and the rest of the world saw Oblivion and decided to reconsider.

[HaemishM]

I know it might be somewhat ridiculous, but I still thought it was cool when I first saw it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O17j94YBCg

That's hugely retarded.

So was the Force Unleashed series.

[Merusk]

Looking at some of the links around this, the quotes from inside the Rat seem to put it differently to the way we are looking it.

The position is that today the EU is just bullshit, all of it. So what is happening here is some sliver of EU might be promoted from its current bullshit status to canon. It's not getting rid, its working out if anything is worth having in the first place.

That's definitely the case, but it's a question of *what* will be promoted.  There's a few things I think are guarantees, because it's easy to work with, wasn't contradicted by the prequils and not a problem over all to work in to the franchise.  This includes Chiss, Mara Jade, Thrawn, Witches of Dathomir, Kyle Katarn and possibly the Old Republic stuff.   Things like the Jedi Academy, the clone emperor(s) and the vong are probably gone because of how they direct the narrative.

[Phildo]

As long as we still get lizards that steal people's souls to power their technology, I'm satisfied.

[rattran]

I expect it'll be closer to everything except the films themselves is gone, and we'll selectively forget some of the stupider stuff from the films. (Midichlorians)

[Nevermore]

I just hope the Clone Wars and the Old Republic stay since those are actually at least as good as the prequels.  The rest we can pretend never existed.  Except for implanted-lightsabers guy.  He's so stupid he can never be forgotten. 

[Venkman]

Thrawn woulda been great. But they'd need to establish in canon that the Grand Moffs were all military geniousness (and redeem Tarkin's rep) to then establish why Thrawn was such a bad ass. But even if they did that, Thrawn's genious came from a pretty esoteric approach to art studies that doesn't really translate well to movies

Thrawn was a Grand Admiral, not a Moff.  Duh!

DAMMIT. I had written Grand Admiral at first too, but couldn't get past Tarkin's title and was too arsed to look it up. Of course, the effort to type this mea culpa now officially exceeds the time I could have spent confirming. Duh indeed 

[Ironwood]

I just hope the Clone Wars and the Old Republic stay since those are actually at least as good as the prequels.  The rest we can pretend never existed.  Except for implanted-lightsabers guy.  He's so stupid he can never be forgotten. 

Um, what guy was this ?

[DraconianOne]

Um, what guy was this ?

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Boy, I sure hope the guy with the eight lightsabers implanted into his arms and legs makes the cut! 

I am not making that guy up.

[Ironwood]

Oh for fucks sake. Liefield?

[Tannhauser]

Quick question:  Will my Wedge Antilles/Nien Nubb shipper fanfic be canon?