Iron Man 3

[Samwise]

You know I've been thinking about iron man the superhero and it's kind of the tanks vs mechs argument isn't it?  If you have that level of technology why the FUCK would you ever put yourself inside of it to fly around like a spaceman?

I don't think autonomous AI was part of the original concept in the comics; the suit needed a "wearer" because it was a relatively simple tool.  In the movie universe, I tend to agree, drone better.

[Fordel]

Stark thinks its fun mostly. 

[HaemishM]

It's kind of funny that they played with the concept of Stark not having to be in the suit for the Air Force One scene, but then he goes through suits in the big set piece ending.

I really enjoyed it while I was watching it, but it didn't take long for me to realize just how silly the plot really was. It was very very 4-color - if it wasn't for the fact that it's a comic book movie, the plot would have been incredibly braindead.

[Ironwood]

No.  I don't accept that excuse.

His faceplate flew 850 miles.

This film was fuck stupid.

[Tannhauser]

Avatar and the Hobbit were amazing in 3D.  Not so much in IM3, though there were a few standout 3D scenes like the missile attack.  Or maybe I'm getting used to 3D?  Maybe it becomes more natural to you during the film.  

I was going to drive 100 miles round trip to see this in 3D.  I got on the road, said this is crazy and called my local theater.  They now have 3D!  A winnar is me!  Still can't believe my small-ass hometown (pop 13k) has a really good theater.  I buy their $4 rasinets to support them, even though you could hold them all in one hand.

Where was I?  Oh yeah, IM>A>IM3>T>CA>IM2>H

This is not in dispute.

[WayAbvPar]

It was decently entertaining. Definitely better than CA (which was dull as shit for 75% of it) and infinitely better than Thor (which I saw after being let out of jury duty early and decided I would have rather stayed in court). I enjoy the Tony Stark as problem solver/mechanic/tinker element a lot more than the big action sequences. The one at the end was entirely too long, convoluted, and silly.

IM>A>IM3>IM2>CA>T

[K9]

On another tangent:

[Merusk]

He went over it really fast. :

[K9]

He went over it really fast. :

[tazelbain]

It was to create demand.

[Venkman]

Exactly.

To be honest, that was one of the things I liked about this movie. It didn't directly bludgeon the story beats over what they thought was a completely obtuse audience. Yea sure it wasn't any real complex story. But unlike every other goddamn movie since the mid-2000s, it not only didn't give away the entire thing in the trailers, it also didn't literally telegraph every little thing for an audience assumed to be too drunk, high or young to follow it.

It wasn't any one big thing really. The Mandarin bit was probably the biggest, but the suit/bus scene, the Pepper stuff, the autonomous self-flying pieces (the ones Ironwood hated but which I liked), RDJ being more The Mechanic than singular Iron Man, even the post-credits bit, all of it was kinda twisty but not too twisty to take itself seriously. Kinda gag-y in a way, pretty Whedon-esque really. I wonder if that's why he got the thank you in the credits.

Ya kinda need to find fault with it. Not the perfect movie. But if you haven't already turned your brain off for Marvel movies, and movies that launch after April in general, then there's no help for you 

[HaemishM]

It wasn't a complex story, but the plan itself was INCREDIBLY over complex - there were a lot easier ways to accomplish the same goal without turning yourself into a fire-breathing nutjob. But then, this is AIM, who always specialized in creating shit that would bite them in the ass for no good reason other than SCIENCE!

[HaemishM]

No.  I don't accept that excuse.

His faceplate flew 850 miles.

This film was fuck stupid.

MAGNETS! HOW DO THEY WORK!!!!! 

[Merusk]

If IM2 is getting this much hate, I'm going to recommend you just skip Star Trek altogether.  I have less faith in that putting together a compelling and complete story.

[Phildo]

He went over it really fast. :

[Furiously]

Two phone calls would have made this movie like 40 minutes quicker.

[SurfD]

He went over it really fast. :

[Riggswolfe]

He went over it really fast. :

[Ubvman]

It wasn't a complex story, but the plan itself was INCREDIBLY over complex - there were a lot easier ways to accomplish the same goal without turning yourself into a fire-breathing nutjob. But then, this is AIM, who always specialized in creating shit that would bite them in the ass for no good reason other than SCIENCE!

Explains a whole bunch of the plot really.

As for the faceplate and other bits flying over 850 miles? Really? You have a problem with that vs a metal suit powered by a multi-megawatt generating nuclear reactor the size of a baseball located in the chest area of a human being?

Anyways,  my personal theory is that the individual bits did not fly 850 miles. The individual bits flew out of the barn, reassembled and configured  into a supersonic form that flew the 850 miles, slowed down, split apart again and arrived to assemble on Tony Stark. That the bits arrived spaced out at different times, I put down to it being quirky (and not 100% repaired.)

[eldaec]

I think some of the parts arrived before generic-cute-child let the final parts out of the barn.

[Ironwood]

No.  I don't accept that excuse.

His faceplate flew 850 miles.

This film was fuck stupid.

MAGNETS! HOW DO THEY WORK!!!!! 

MIND CONTROLLED MAGNETS WITH NO MAXIMUM RANGE !  FOR SCIENCE !

Seriously, I'd rather watch a film where Tony burns Aims house down with the lemons.   None of this shit made any sense and was just an excuse (as the other films were) to show RDJ getting in and out of a suit in cool ways.

Fucking clownshoes.

[SurfD]

So wait, after TWO FULL MOVIES, you chose NOW to clue into the fact that Tony has been sitting on a magic sourece of propulsion that only requires the suit have a functioning battery charge?   The entire thing flying at all revolves completely around the "comic book magic" tech of the Repulsors.  The fact that they took it to its logical conclusion and just put repulsor thrustors all over the individual suit parts is pretty low on my list of "hey, that breaks my suspention of disbelief" things in the Marvel Movie universe.

[Ironwood]

As for the faceplate and other bits flying over 850 miles? Really? You have a problem with that vs a metal suit powered by a multi-megawatt generating nuclear reactor the size of a baseball located in the chest area of a human being?

Yeah, but he totally charged that halfway through with a car battery, so it's ok.

NO.  I'M NOT OKAY WITH IT.  The whole film was stupid from start to finish and ruined any suspension of disbelief that you may have built up over the previous Iron Man movies.  I can be OK with a chest generator.  It's fine.  It's a self contained utter nonsense that was got out of the way quickly in the first film because of Stark being a genius IN A CAVE.  If you swallow it, it's just fine.  But there was absolutely no explanation EVER in the film for the new suit.  Sure, he injected himself with some shit at the start and he could control the suit.  Fair enough.  Magnets ?  I don't know.  He was shown as controlling the suit with a headset.  Teleoperation, fair enough.  

Then he's tied to a bed wearing fuck all 850 miles from the suit and it all works just like in his office.  Get the Fuck Outta Here.  Really, really, really fucking stupid.  Also, this suit breaks by the lightest touch when he's not in it, which suggests it's his human body that keeps it together.  What the fuck is that all about ?

Honestly, I didn't wanna do this, since I've ranted enough about this IRL, but this took all goodwill the previous movies had made for Iron Man, which was a lot, and just tossed it down the shitter so we could put some Product Placement and RDJ being smug all over the shop.  The story was an amalgamation of shit that may have made sense if you're braindead, but even then was utterly retarded.

I'm sorry, I apologise you all and I'm going to stop now, but I really hated this movie.  The more I think on it, the more I hated it.  The only bit that I liked was evil McEvil woman being shot.  And only because I hate women and want to see them hurt.  Or something.

Sigh.

[Ironwood]

So wait, after TWO FULL MOVIES, you chose NOW to clue into the fact that Tony has been sitting on a magic sourece of propulsion that only requires the suit have a functioning battery charge?   The entire thing flying at all revolves completely around the "comic book magic" tech of the Repulsors.  The fact that they took it to its logical conclusion and just put repulsor thrustors all over the individual suit parts is pretty low on my list of "hey, that breaks my suspention of disbelief" things in the Marvel Movie universe.

Well, I disagree with you.  As previously discussed.

I can't wait for Hollow Bones Technology.  Because that's not Ultra Retarded too.  The movies have done a good job of trying to rein in the comic book nonsense, but here they just wallowed in it.

[SurfD]

 Sure, he injected himself with some shit at the start and he could control the suit.  Fair enough.  Magnets ?  I don't know.  He was shown as controlling the suit with a headset.  Teleoperation, fair enough.  

I am fairly certain that he tells Jarvis that the stuff he was injecting were some kind of microdermal transmitter.  Sort of like the guide dots they use when filming humans for Mo-Cap stuff in games.  Only I imagine signifigantly more advanced.  They were likely what the system was supposed to use to key off his body movements for command gestures and such.

[Ironwood]

Didn't work for me.

It was just Deus Ex Machina writ large.  Sorry.

[Merusk]

No, the Dots I get and read a pre-review where they mention it was something from the comics.  They make sense even if they're RFID bits so the pieces know where to latch-on.  Sensible in all facets.

The suit pieces having no range, each piece being able to fly 850 miles (Because his hand and leg got there early, so figure that one out when there were no holes in the barn door) and breaking apart are all big holes. 

I agree with IS on the breaking apart thing.  It bothered me the most because he survives falls that should paste him inside the suit several times, but somehow a semi-truck traveling at 55 can reduce it to bits.

[cironian]

He already miniaturized a nuclear reactor to fist size in the first movie, then kept improving it. A few years later, having a lesser version that fits somewhere inside the faceplate and has just enough output for powered flight of that small piece is within the normal range of technological advancement for comic book super geniuses.

As for the dots, I saw them as version 2.0 of what he used at the end of Avengers. Adding a small cell phone transciever for sending GPS coordinates long range would seem quite possible even with real world tech, if you don't have to put in a power source.

And that's the one that really bugged me: The whole "charging the suit" business. If you have the world's most advanced power source on your chest, why would you need external assistance to charge the suit at all? Climb in and it should be done.

I liked the point they made about Tony being awesome outside the suit as well, but they should have found another way for that. Especially since if his new suit was broken, he could just have called up one of the many spares. The viewers didn't know about them at that point, but the character would have.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Wait, are we just now figuring out that comic book super science is an excuse for magic? 

[Merusk]

No, we're saying that the magic must have an internal consistency with its pre-established ruleset.   Otherwise you don't have a story you have a 4-year-olds ramblings.

[Lakov_Sanite]

In for a penny, in for a pound.  I'm not saying it wasn't dumb to have pieces fly 850 miles, it was and I myself said so at work but then I realized this was right after a scene Of a dude breathing fire and I realized a wizard did it.

[Ironwood]

I liked the point they made about Tony being awesome outside the suit as well, but they should have found another way for that. Especially since if his new suit was broken, he could just have called up one of the many spares. The viewers didn't know about them at that point, but the character would have.

Wait, I'm a horrible tit, but they did explain this :  They couldn't get into The Vault until all the concrete was cleared....

Ok, it's a shit excuse, but it WAS there.

[Ironwood]

No, we're saying that the magic must have an internal consistency with its pre-established ruleset.   Otherwise you don't have a story you have a 4-year-olds ramblings.

So Much This.

Thor was great for that because stupid Gods became Techy Aliens.  Captain America only asked you to swallow Techy Alien Cube and Super Soldier formula.  Iron Man previously, only asked that he had a nice wee fusion reactor between his tits and he made a wee suit in a briefcase.

Avengers just packaged all that shit up and further asked you to believe that aliens were real.

But this just said 'Hey What if Tony Could Do This, Wouldn't That Be Cool?'  and maybe it was.  But it wasn't a good flick.  This isn't Pacific Rim.  I can't turn my mind off that much because the previous films didn't really demand it of me.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I can accept all that but if this is too much the infinity McGuffin is really gonna shit up the marvel universe.

To me, all this extremis stuff was intentional to pull reality a bit further away from the universe and make way for things like mutants or even a Dr Strange movie.  So I guess I'm just willing to take the leap from the previous world building in favor of a comic book reality.

[eldaec]

The power source thing annoyed me more than the 850 mile thing, but internal consistency had already collapsed for me and I was in 'what the hell' mode.

It won't stand a rewatch, but was more fun than avengers on the first viewing.

Within a few weeks, people will be talking about this film the same way they talk about DKR.