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Reply #455 on: October 20, 2012, 01:30:07 PM

So I decided to log in and see if I can find some enjoyable WvW for once.

I read on the forums last night that on my server (blackgate) we had a naked conga line spawn camping other servers cause they were owning so bad.  Log in right now and we own literrally every single map point on all *4* battlegrounds.

*sigh*
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Reply #456 on: October 20, 2012, 02:02:17 PM

OTOH now that Blackgate is gone from our matchup, WvW is pretty fun on Tarnished Coast (tier 3? 4?). We have a pretty decisive lead over FA and Dragonbrand, but knowing TC's general schedule, this won't last.

If nothing else, it's good payback for the absolute wtfpwning Dragonbrand did to us a few weeks ago...  why so serious?

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Reply #457 on: October 20, 2012, 03:09:15 PM

So yeah, Crystal Desert population was so bad that 2-3 hours after reset, we started to get the outmanned buff.
I lasted around 4 hours with the guild before deciding to start a new character. Maybe necro. Or warrior.


What borderland was that in?

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Reply #458 on: October 20, 2012, 09:54:54 PM

A guy messaged me tonight telling me that he rolled a necro after he watched me break a survival stack. Having just hit 80 he wanted to know my build details and sent me a screenshot he took of this event. This was like 3 weeks ago? MY EGO!

Necros don't get enough attention. Raw damage output isn't stellar but there are a lot of neat tricks that a lot of people don't really know about.

This stack was almost entirely wiped - a few stragglers made it out. Check out the minimap and my position.

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Reply #459 on: October 20, 2012, 09:57:21 PM

I think we went for Sea of Sorrows. Then at night, we just played 'the cap and move' game, running from the zerg and not accomplishing much.
There's 20 people AFKing dancing at the way point that I think this is really a case of shit server population.

There's a PINK DAY GOING ON IN OUR SERVER WHILE THIS IS HAPPENING.

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Reply #460 on: October 20, 2012, 10:09:47 PM

There's a pink day going on on every server (it's a GW1 tradition too, btw), I don't see the problem?

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Reply #461 on: October 20, 2012, 10:14:46 PM

So I decided to log in and see if I can find some enjoyable WvW for once.

I read on the forums last night that on my server (blackgate) we had a naked conga line spawn camping other servers cause they were owning so bad.  Log in right now and we own literrally every single map point on all *4* battlegrounds.

*sigh*

Good time to get your wvw 100%s knocked out. :p

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Reply #462 on: October 20, 2012, 10:38:39 PM

There's a pink day going on on every server (it's a GW1 tradition too, btw), I don't see the problem?

Draws ppl away from the WvW.
There's no queue.


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Reply #463 on: October 21, 2012, 06:17:53 AM


Necros don't get enough attention. Raw damage output isn't stellar but there are a lot of neat tricks that a lot of people don't really know about.

Did you drop the well which turns boons into conditions on them?


I keep telling people this, by the way. Nobody believes me. I kind of like it that way.
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Reply #464 on: October 21, 2012, 09:08:39 AM

Did you drop the well which turns boons into conditions on them?


I keep telling people this, by the way. Nobody believes me. I kind of like it that way.

Yep, Well of corruption, Well of Suffering, and a full load of staff marks.
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Reply #465 on: October 21, 2012, 09:23:58 AM

/highfive  awesome, for real
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Reply #466 on: October 22, 2012, 06:31:54 AM

Did you drop the well which turns boons into conditions on them?


I keep telling people this, by the way. Nobody believes me. I kind of like it that way.

Yep, Well of corruption, Well of Suffering, and a full load of staff marks.

I'm running with two Necros that are doing this as well and it's amazing.

Gates of Madness is getting slaughtered for the 2nd week in a row - target rich environment, but as soon as the other servers actually hear someone is out about the zerg arrives in no time. I want to stick it out on this server to see if it turns around a bit, but it's look like we'll be heading to the 2nd lowest tier which doesn't make for very good WvW.

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Reply #467 on: October 22, 2012, 07:37:27 AM

Yep, Well of corruption, Well of Suffering, and a full load of staff marks.
One more level and I can target my wells.  Squee.

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #468 on: October 25, 2012, 04:01:05 AM

There's a pink day going on on every server (it's a GW1 tradition too, btw), I don't see the problem?
Wasn't happening on Blacktide afaik :p
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Reply #469 on: October 29, 2012, 09:26:15 AM

Server matchups are just weird.  From what people are talking about here and there, the free transfers are causing a zerg of server hoppers.  For example, this week Tarnished Coast and Eredon Terrace are getting stomped by Sanctum of Rall.  Just complete SoR map ownership and all 3 orbs.  In the previous matchup, Tarnished Coast owned all the maps.  Neither scenario is very fun, it's better when the matches are more even.  If it is server transfers causing this imbalance, I hope they end them soon.
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Reply #470 on: October 29, 2012, 09:46:58 AM

The free transfers were a horrible idea that have caused more harm than good.  They need to end asap.

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Reply #471 on: October 29, 2012, 01:02:18 PM

This just in:

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Due to community concerns about the effect of free transfers on world versus world, starting on November 1 we are going to change how often players are allowed to transfer worlds. After the update, players will be able to transfer worlds once every 7 days instead of once every 24 hours. We are also actively working on getting the guesting functionality in place. Thank you for your understanding

Not sure how this affects the current situation though...aren't people waiting about that long anyway?
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Reply #472 on: October 29, 2012, 01:09:39 PM

For TC, basically the last 3 weeks have been screwed by transfers. First we were playing Blackgate that got a massive influx of hardcore wvw guilds from HOD (and proceeded to absolutely wtfpwn both TC and FA), then we were playing FA and Dragonbrand (who just had a lot of their wvw guilds leave, so they were barely even showing up) that was a blowout in TC's favor. Now we're fighting Eredon Terrace (completely MIA) and Sanctum of Rall (another server that got a massive wvw infusion relatively recently). It's going to be another Blackgate-style blowout this week, too.

FWIW I don't think they're struggling with implementation issues for guesting, but rather it's being delayed because they are trying to think up ways to prevent orichalcum / dragon chest / whatever farming via constant server hopping.

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Reply #473 on: October 29, 2012, 01:53:24 PM

Monetize sever transfers. Want to transfer once? That's free. Transfer twice? Cash shop. Third time? Double the first payment. Reset every 30 day period. Allow players to give visa, basically guest pass, one per player.

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Reply #474 on: October 29, 2012, 02:20:04 PM

Once a week does jack shit to fix the problem, thats how often people need to transfer anyways.  The whole point of free server transfers was to alleviate queues, the only way to do that is by having source and destination servers not by allowing anyone to transfer anywhere.  You can still have paid "i wanna play with my friends" transfers to anywhere.
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Reply #475 on: October 29, 2012, 02:25:26 PM

Yea there seems to be a disconnect with the concept of why people are transferring for WvW in the first place.  Ah well, it'll work out  awesome, for real
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Reply #476 on: October 29, 2012, 02:36:45 PM

Smurfing!

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Reply #477 on: October 30, 2012, 01:18:41 AM

This just in:

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Due to community concerns about the effect of free transfers on world versus world, starting on November 1 we are going to change how often players are allowed to transfer worlds. After the update, players will be able to transfer worlds once every 7 days instead of once every 24 hours. We are also actively working on getting the guesting functionality in place. Thank you for your understanding

Not sure how this affects the current situation though...aren't people waiting about that long anyway?

Who was it that said they had guesting working and just had to turn it on?

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Reply #478 on: October 30, 2012, 07:27:53 AM

I'm pretty sure they're following the trends of people who jump around a lot.  This allows them to tweak it slowly instead of going all draconian as the first step.

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Reply #479 on: October 30, 2012, 08:44:08 AM

The first place chasers are gonna be in an interesting place soon.

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Reply #480 on: October 30, 2012, 11:01:47 PM

Been spending more and more time Schlepping about in WvW.  My Necro is finally about as geared as I can get, and I have been enjoying WvW a lot more.  Throw in the odd random 1v1 now and then and I am having fun (been doing pretty well actually, probably win 70% of my 1v1s).

The Matching system, well I think it goes beyond the matching system.  The Server I am on (Boralis Pass), after two weeks of being stomped into the ground has finally pulled things together, Lots of intra-guild communication, and half the time I am in 3 different teamspeak channels to help with the coordination.  People are staying up late, one guild leader pulled a 20 hour stint,  hell I rolled into work at 11:15 on Monday after a late late sunday night trying to keep our points rolling.  hmm I am rambling.

My point is that this is starting to feel like Shadowbane to me a bit, work your ass off, only to lose it all as soon as you go to bed.  I would kill to have an Aussie/Kiwi guild join our server.  It is only Tuesday and our lead is only 20k, I think we can hold on until friday.. but f'it man after this week, I think so many people on our server are going to be burned out, that next week we will just slide back down the hill.   

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Reply #481 on: October 31, 2012, 07:32:22 AM

You guys got off to a pretty solid lead right off the bat and we've been fighting back into it since. I know that GoM doesn't have much of an overnight crew either, but this tier feels right so far.

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Reply #482 on: October 31, 2012, 05:50:27 PM

Newb questions as I think about stepping into WvW:

1) What should I spec in as an Ele?
2) It is all about Vitality and Toughness with maybe Power?
3) How do I get started? Click a button and wait for the queue WoW BG style?

I could look all this up but I'd rather just take direction from the experienced.

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Reply #483 on: October 31, 2012, 08:56:39 PM

1. I don't know about Elementalists play but you shouldn't run around solo.
The frequent ganking and odd thief will jump you. Don't forget the availability of Waypoint to your respawn to avoid repair bills when a zerg is imminent.

2. Building around survival is probably best, yes. Less so if you're in a crowd.
That said, you can't just follow loose zergs and hope for the best. I recommend you join an active WvW guild for better communication. It'll help them and more importantly, you, better. And a level 20 supply runner is important to finish building rams / repair a keep gate/walls. 'Supply' are resources that are generated from supply camps (tent icons). Dolyak caravans would also deliver them to keep for stockpiles. Keeps and Towers cannot generate supplies. So defenders who are cut off from supply will not be able to build defensive siege engine nor repair their walls.

3. Head to Heart of the Mist, exit to Lion's Arch portal.
Right at entry point, you should see 4 gates that takes you to each borderlands. The 3 will be your world, and the other two worlds your server match up. The last is the Eternal Borderlands.


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Reply #484 on: October 31, 2012, 09:04:22 PM

You don't have to walk to the portals; just hit 'B' to bring up the score screen and click on the bar at the top to queue for one of the 4 zones.

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Reply #485 on: November 01, 2012, 12:44:39 AM

If you are doing small group stuff as an elementalist, I would REALLY consider dagger/dagger or scepter/dagger. You can't really zerg with the small range of the stuff, but with the fields you have you can just destroy people 1v1. There are a few videos of how to play a close range ele and man is it fun. That being said, I play my thief a TON more than my ele. Being able to stealth and pick your fights a lot more gives you a huge leg up. Then again, I generally never go into a fight 1v1. I usually have 2 other people with me and we just pick up people running around solo.

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Reply #486 on: November 01, 2012, 04:26:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fi_7YYs1tz4

a funny "tutorial" showing the difference between organized (and competent) wvw-group and what seems like random (or less competent) players from an opposing server.  why so serious?
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Reply #487 on: November 01, 2012, 08:01:43 AM

No, no. As an elementalist forget survivabity. Go full berserkers and get the rune that gives 10 power per stack. Then get 25 stacks and melt people with 7500 tick meteor storms.
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Reply #488 on: November 01, 2012, 08:10:54 AM

Yep, pretty much. Survivability stats don't help against a zerg, and evenly matched small-scale battles are VERY rare in wvw. I always go with a staff and glass cannon gear, haven't regretted it yet.

(also, the staff gives you plenty of survivability/kiting abilities on its own... not as much as a x/scepter combo of course)

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Reply #489 on: November 01, 2012, 08:42:12 AM

Survivability is about having good escape skills, not stats.  Full berserkers is almost always the best choice.

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