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Reply #245 on: June 13, 2012, 01:54:44 PM

My idea for the blizzard account is to use D3 to finance my purchase of MoP and/or any sub time I might need to try it out.

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Reply #246 on: June 13, 2012, 02:00:36 PM

My idea for the blizzard account is to use D3 to finance my purchase of MoP and/or any sub time I might need to try it out.

The only reason I'll be playing in inferno.

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Reply #247 on: June 13, 2012, 03:41:15 PM

So I can drop some stuff up on the RMAH and set a "real" price to it and if it sells, I get that money in a battle.net balance linked to my account to be used on the RMAH or other bliz stuff (from what I read)? If I want the cash, THEN I have to linke a paypal account up to battle.net and offload the cash to my paypal/bank account for a fee? If I do not want, I can let the battle.net balance continue to accumulate just as my gold coins do on the other AH? FFS, I need a manual for this with multiple appendices.
When you create an auction you can have the proceeds go directly to your Paypal and skip the B.net Balance step entirely. Otherwise, yes.

Note that using your B.net Balance requires an authenticator while linking a Paypal account requires SMS alerts. I think you can go without an authenticator entirely if you do everything through Paypal.
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Reply #248 on: June 13, 2012, 06:08:18 PM

Put up all my main DH gear on the RMAH (still have an MF/GF set that does fine in act 1 inferno that I can use) and sold 4 pieces for roughly 55 bucks return total.  Still have 7 up there.  We'll see if they sell, but at the least I'll have paid for the game which is actually kind of a nice feeling.
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Reply #249 on: June 13, 2012, 07:38:09 PM

What act did your DH get to in Inferno?
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Reply #250 on: June 13, 2012, 07:43:53 PM

Can the Blizzbucks or whatever the hell they are called be applied to a WoW subscription?

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Reply #251 on: June 13, 2012, 08:06:02 PM

What act did your DH get to in Inferno?

I was in act 3 and doing decently but not great. The end of act 2 was pretty rough as well.  Unfortunately I didn't have any really valuable pieces.  Pretty much all my gear was right around a million per slot which doesn't have great value on the RMAH.  But still not bad.
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Reply #252 on: June 13, 2012, 08:52:47 PM

Can the Blizzbucks or whatever the hell they are called be applied to a WoW subscription?

That's their master plan here.  Lock everyone's cash into blizz credit to buy WoW subs and future Blizzard games.
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Reply #253 on: June 14, 2012, 11:38:06 AM

I suppose this is the proper thread for it:

What are you gold earning schemes?

I know of:

A) Areat crater (before Azmodan) run on NM. Takes about 2 minutes each. (c)gimpy

B) Siegebreaker runs on Hell (or Inferno for those you can do it)

What else is there?

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Reply #254 on: June 14, 2012, 07:33:29 PM

Can the Blizzbucks or whatever the hell they are called be applied to a WoW subscription?

That's their master plan here.  Lock everyone's cash into blizz credit to buy WoW subs and future Blizzard games.

Actually, I was unpleasantly surprised to find out the battle.net balance can not be applied to your WoW subscription.

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/battle-net-balance-frequently-asked-questions-faq#purchase

Made me kind of glad my stuff didn't sell.
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Reply #255 on: June 14, 2012, 08:51:24 PM

That's just bizarre.   You'd think they'd at least add game time cards to the online store or something.   Doesn't seem like you can prepurchase MoP with it either?
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Reply #256 on: June 14, 2012, 09:09:39 PM

I suppose this is the proper thread for it:

What are you gold earning schemes?

I know of:

A) Areat crater (before Azmodan) run on NM. Takes about 2 minutes each. (c)gimpy

B) Siegebreaker runs on Hell (or Inferno for those you can do it)

What else is there?

I think Butcher runs in Act 1 Inferno seem to be the norm. I like hurting myself so I'm slowly progressing in Act 3 Inferno when I'm not running random Act 3 Hell runs for exp and gold
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Reply #257 on: June 14, 2012, 10:09:11 PM

That's just bizarre.   You'd think they'd at least add game time cards to the online store or something.   Doesn't seem like you can prepurchase MoP with it either?
Instead you have to buy an item off the AH with it.  For 15% + $1.  Or cash out, for a fee.

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Reply #258 on: June 15, 2012, 01:59:16 AM

The new gold run I've seen bandied about is doing each level of the crater on hell or nightmare, starting with level 3. Nightmare is fast but hell can drop more gold/gems.
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Reply #259 on: June 15, 2012, 02:13:41 AM

Anything short that becomes a common "run" will just get nerfed. They seem totally intent on forcing entire Act runs as the norm and any other option people try will get stomped on.

RMAH has just gone live this morning on the EU side. Very little on it so far, and no gold as yet, so it's impossible to really tell if it's having an effect on the GAH.

I feel kinda stumped until 1.0.3 hits. I've pretty much hit a wall halfway through Act 2, I don't seem to be able to earn more than about 200k/hour (and that's only if I manage to sell a few drops) and I need 2+ million per slot to upgrade my gear.

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Reply #260 on: June 15, 2012, 03:03:07 AM

I don't seem to be able to earn more than about 200k/hour (and that's only if I manage to sell a few drops) and I need 2+ million per slot to upgrade my gear.

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Reply #261 on: June 15, 2012, 04:52:46 AM

I think Butcher runs in Act 1 Inferno seem to be the norm. I like hurting myself so I'm slowly progressing in Act 3 Inferno when I'm not running random Act 3 Hell runs for exp and gold

I have been doing some warden-butcher runs, mostly for gear upgrades rather than gold farming, and unless I am doing something terribly wrong the incoming isn't anything special. Definitely far less than what gimpyone suggested (crater levels at hell).
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Reply #262 on: June 15, 2012, 05:59:30 AM

The new gold run I've seen bandied about is doing each level of the crater on hell or nightmare, starting with level 3. Nightmare is fast but hell can drop more gold/gems.

They are doing nightmare so they can stack enough gold find gear and still clear the run fast.   Some are running solely +GF and gf/health globe radius on pieces of gear with little to no stats.
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Reply #263 on: June 15, 2012, 06:57:27 AM

This has stopped being a game for you.


And this is the point at which companies trying to find more and more ways to generate income from games breaks them.

I enjoy progressing, which means getting further in Inferno for me now. But I can't progress in Inferno without spending hours farming gold to buy gear, which isn't fun after the 2nd or 3rd over-leveled, gold-find-stacked, melt-everything run through Nightmare, so they can fuck off tbh.

Every single decision made by Blizzard now is going to be determined by "does it make people use the RMAH?". At least with a monthly sub model the decisions are, mostly, based on "does it make people enjoy the game more and therefore keep playing?".

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Reply #264 on: June 15, 2012, 08:49:14 AM

No one saw that coming.

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Reply #265 on: June 15, 2012, 11:39:15 AM

I think a big part of the problem is the lack of decent gear drops.  Once you get a high-valued piece of gear (rare or hopefully legendary), it becomes fairly easy to flip those findings into a decent revenue stream that's enough to keep yourself upgraded.

I got lucky and found 2 legendaries in Hell and stole another off the AH for cheap.  None were particularly useful but they all enabled me to stay enough ahead of the curve to keep my wallet fed and my gear viable.  Unfortunately I dumped one of them for way too cheap.

Also, knowing what you paid for something is extremely important.  People gimp themselves when they buy an important piece of gear only to resell it on the AH much cheaper.  At least try to break-even if you can, that way if you're in a low demand 'sector' of the game you can flip the sale into better gear, and on and on.

Inferno play is pretty much dependent on AH/RMAH meta unless you're a broken-minded gold grinder.  I'd rather take my chances looking for great gear off bosses tbh, as it's the most fun.  Regardless, if you're smart and patient you can play the economy-game and do just fine.


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Reply #266 on: June 15, 2012, 11:59:32 AM

I still get the message "You must wait 3 days…" in lieu of that I purchased the "digital" product when I click on the RMAH button…

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Reply #267 on: June 15, 2012, 12:24:34 PM


a decent revenue stream


Seriously, what the fuck is coming next ?  Talking about your Legendary Item Marketing Channels ?

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Reply #268 on: June 15, 2012, 12:34:01 PM

None of this sounds very fun.

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Reply #269 on: June 15, 2012, 12:35:33 PM

Every single decision made by Blizzard now is going to be determined by "does it make people use the RMAH?". At least with a monthly sub model the decisions are, mostly, based on "does it make people enjoy the game more and therefore keep playing?".

1.0.3 changes will not make them more money in the RMAH. More people will progress through Inferno and better gear will drop in a wider range of areas. Keeping the game exactly as it is now (brick-wall difficulty jump requiring tedious grinding or RMAH) would have been the best way for Blizzard to drive people to the RMAH.

If they still make the 1.0.3 changes, it shows me that they aren't solely concerned with RMAH revenue.
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Reply #270 on: June 15, 2012, 01:21:37 PM

Unless they are concerned the brick wall effect will drive more users away (and away from the RMAH) than those remaining users will spend on the RMAH...

Don't hurt yourself thinking too hard about what Blizzard will or will not do regarding anything.  The Left Hand of the RMAH probably has no idea what the Right Hand of Patch Notes is doing, they probably aren't even connected to the same Torso of Management.
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Reply #271 on: June 15, 2012, 01:39:28 PM

That can't be the case, as much of this system appears to be designed to filter through the AH/RMAH.

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Reply #272 on: June 15, 2012, 01:48:39 PM

That can't be the case, as much of this system appears to be designed to filter through the AH/RMAH.

This.
How much gear drops matters very little when it's not gear you can use.  It's not like you're raiding a bossmob who you KNOW will drop at least 1 setpiece of usable arcane gear.   The odds are really against a player EVER finding something of use post-normal... which means AH/RMAH or you cant finish Inferno.

1.03 kinda addresses this by changing the item lvls in Inferno, but that's as far as it goes.

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Reply #273 on: June 15, 2012, 05:30:58 PM

I'm still a bit doubtful they can maintain any kind of decent revenue stream from the RMAH.   It's too easy to bot in this game.   Prices are going to drop like rocks and people will ask themselves why they are even playing if they can buy a super amazing set of gear for 10 bucks.

If they want to make money off the RMAH they'll have to add more content with more gear checks.
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Reply #274 on: June 15, 2012, 08:44:45 PM

They either have to add more content or make more ways for gear to work it's way out of the system.

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Reply #275 on: June 15, 2012, 09:14:52 PM

Non-repairable gear.  Fin.  awesome, for real

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Reply #276 on: June 15, 2012, 10:25:29 PM

They either have to add more content or make more ways for gear to work it's way out of the system.

The problem is in the thread title.  Crafting sucks, so nobody salvages items or spends gold to build them.  It's supposed to be the gold sink and the item sink.
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Reply #277 on: June 16, 2012, 01:22:12 AM

They either have to add more content or make more ways for gear to work it's way out of the system.

The problem is in the thread title.  Crafting sucks, so nobody salvages items or spends gold to build them.  It's supposed to be the gold sink and the item sink.
Well, if you are willing to upgrade your blacksmith to level 10, and then buy the Item with 6 random properties Patterns for ungodly gold amounts (gold sink) and then craft them for attempts at perfect gear (item sink) then it will work that way.  The problem is, step 1 of that process is set at WAY too high a bar.

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Reply #278 on: June 16, 2012, 02:56:26 AM

Pretty sure the top patterns the blacksmith can use are one step down from the best item types that can drop.  For X-bows the best pattern I see is 6 property Doomcaster but Hellion Crossbow has the highest base damage.

If that's true I don't see the blacksmith being a large outlet for gold/items.
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Reply #279 on: June 16, 2012, 09:50:02 AM

That would also follow the philosophy of WoW-loot.  Sure, you can craft epics but the drops are typically better, leaving the craftables as only a gap-filler.

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