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Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery.  Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve.  We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational.  Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers...  To us, each was a compliment.

But for a long time this basic cultural identity of ours was put aside.  We had a war to win - against Band of Brothers - and that took up all of our efforts.  Taking years, it was the greatest act of planned griefing in the game's history. We won, and were rewarded with such forum porn as dreams are made of.  But it required us to be ordered, focused and efficient.

That time is past.  We have returned to our roots.  Take a look at the official Eve Online forums and you will find page after page of threads complaining that we are ruining the game for miners, industrialists, mission-runners and more.  Our victims lose scores of hours and tens of thousands of dollars' worth of the tedious, dreary effort they have put themselves through every time we strike, and they simply cannot comprehend why or how it occurred.

They accuse us of exploiting; of hacking the official forums; of being CCP developers.

Join Bat Country in Eve and you can do all this: within a day or so of starting you can have a character that can help destroy some hapless soul's pride and joy.  And the alliance will pay for you to do so, replacing your ships and rewarding you for your efforts.  And you can try it for free for at least two weeks.

The winter patch is coming: Assault Ships will be buffed; gallente ships will be improved across the board; hybrid weapons are improving dramatically; supercapitals are being hit hard; T2 ammo is being ungimped; tier 3 battlecruisers fielding battleship weapons are being introduced; Time Dilation is being introduced to improve your ship's responsiveness in fleet fights; nullsec is being enhanced.  The list goes on and on.

Join Bat Country in Goonswarm Federation.  There is no time like the present.


WHAT IS EVE ONLINE?



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Titanreaper > I hardly get to play the fucking game and you come blow me up
Titanreaper > thats bull shit I havent been on in 3 weeks manage to get on for about an hour maybe 2 and you come blow me
Titanreaper > i got your number fuck face
Guillaume LeConquerant > we going on a date?
Titanreaper > no im going to rape you bitch


Eve Online is a Sci-Fi universe simulation.  The universe in which it exists is staggeringly huge: around 8000 star systems containing hundreds of thousands of celestial bodies: planets, moons and belts.  Within this single, unsharded world exist almost four hundred thousand active players, each of whose actions can affect any or all of the others.  At any given time there may be forty thousand people active in the Eve Universe.  There is nothing in the world of entertainment that even comes close, in scale, to an Eve battle involving over a thousand people.  One of CCP's recent promotional videos, although a little stylised and stripped of the waiting around that often happens during the inevitable pre-fight jockeying for position, actually captures the feel of big fleet combat quite well.  For an ultra-realistic portrayal of a fight from our past, try this animation instead.

You, the player, are a capsuleer: an immortal being, above the level of humanity, who can control spaceships kilometres long using no more than your thoughts.  The Eve Universe contains far more possible pursuits than can be dealt with here: you can fly combat missions; mine; run planetary industrial empires; play the markets through anything from hauling, through arbitrage all the way to the sort of inside information and market manipulation that would, in the real world, leave you facing seven to ten years as the cellblock's well-worn, white-collar glove-puppet.  You can explore hidden wormhole space, living alone or with a few friends in your own pocket dimension for days or weeks if that's the way your autism takes you.  Look at this picture (you'll need to zoom in): there is a lot to try in Eve.  And as one vast, unified universe, your actions can ultimately affect hundreds of thousands of others.

But really, when it comes down to it, this is Eve Online:

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Britt-Erik > why the fuck are you killing miners?
Benjamin Hamburg > cause i'm jealous of that mackinaw, I always wanted one
Britt-Erik > well, now i can't buy a new one, just 10m left
Britt-Erik > thx alot moron. i wasn't even a threat to you
Britt-Erik > i'm gona make u payt for this
Britt-Erik > like taking candy from a child...
Britt-Erik > fuck of, all of you. i'm quiting this game now
Britt-Erik > FOR REAL

You want to kill things and hurt people.  Shush... I know you do: it's OK.  Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so.  If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life.  Bat Country is built to help f13 members have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.


WHAT IS BAT COUNTRY?

Bat Country is the (very) long-running f13 corporation in Eve Online.  Since 2008 we have spent most of our time in Goonswarm, except for a few months in 2010.  We are mainly PvP-oriented, consistently over-achieving and regularly appearing in the top five corps for the alliance despite our small size.  We specialise in small gang work and look out difficult fights, giving our opponents every chance to gather several times our numbers before we engage.  We will engage in - and win - fights with fifteen or twenty of us and from seventy to a hundred hostiles.

We are also, arguably, the premiere spying and intel corporation in the whole of Eve Online, and have a reputation throughout those who know Eve for having sources in almost every major alliance in the game.  We were fighting an alliance last week (15 of us and 75 of them in far heavier ships) and another Goonswarm director said afterwards "I was listening to their communications and was going to offer you help but then I realised it was Bat Country so you'd have a spy already."  We did.

We have a couple of people in the GSF directorate: myself as director of the Goonfleet Intelligence Agency and Consigliere to The Mittani, and Gicer as a diplomat for the alliance.  Others help out the directorate directly in running the alliance intel network.  Our position in the alliance is a very good one.


WHAT ABOUT THE SPACESHIPS?




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Molacus > In real life, id beat the shit out of a little bitch as urself, but in a game, you can pretend to be some badass lol

In order to destroy the treasured possessions of others, Eve gives you the ability to fly spaceships.  Some are industrial in nature, but ignore those: you would be better-off pleasuring yourself wearing wire-wool gloves than mining.  The rest are warships: sleek, armoured dealers of imaginary internet death.  You will start in frigates only a few tens of metres long: with those you can lock down a ship costing a thousand times as much for your fellow goons to kill.  We love nothing so much as a foolhardy newbie tackler in a frigate.  Then there are destroyers: still fragile but able to kill a pod or a miner's ship in seconds.

And so on as you grow steadily more experienced: cruisers are still fast and fairly small but are capable of standing up to more punishment, and some people - I'm one of them - almost never fly anything bigger than a cruiser.  Cruiser-class hulls are the best tacklers in the game; the best logistics ships ("healers"); the most nimble and agile hunters; the best anti-support and the best electronic warfare platforms.  Does that sound like a lot of options?  Eve gives you options.

After the first couple of months, you will be able to fly a battlecruiser: a key ship in our fleet doctrines, and one which we use in order to destroy the mightiest, most expensive and overpowered ships in the game.  From there, the path continues: battleships; carriers; dreadnoughts, supercarriers and even titans the size of space stations and capable of destroying even capital ships with a single shot from their doomsday weapons.

You may discover a niche you enjoy.  Logistics pilots - including some of our most skilled members - keep our battleship fleet alive and killing.  ECM pilots enjoy knowing that they are causing several hostile fleet members at once to pound their keyboards in frustration at their inability to do anything at all.  Interdictor pilots - a few recklessly suicidal individuals whose flimsy, hit-and-run ships can prevent the escape of a hundred enemies at once - are favourites of our fleet commanders without whom we wouldn't even bother to undock.  Covert Ops scouts demoralise the enemy simply by being there, cloaked, watching their every move and acting as the eyes of the FCs.

Bittervets should note that CCP finally seem to have got it.  The leaks surrounding the winter expansion sound like a Goonswarm wish list: supercapitals are hit hard; subcapitals are enhanced virtually across the board; Caldari and Gallente see bonuses; new battlecruisers mounting battleship weapons match our doctrine perfectly and so on.


WHY JOIN BAT COUNTRY AND GOONSWARM?



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Viandamor red > it's goons what could you posibly expect from the one group that has nothing better in there lives to do than join games and try and make the game unplayable to everyone

If you play Eve alone, you will quit.  If you play eve in a group but don't PvP, you will probably still quit, but it will take a little longer.  If you join your fellow Goons in Eve and PvP, there is a very real risk that you will play for years, because no other game on the market offers the possibility of visiting meaningful, measurable damage upon those you fight.  The only way you could get a more immediate and satisfying capability to hurt your opponents in meaningful ways would be if they voluntarily wired electrodes to their scrotums and let you deliver repeated shocks to their testes.

To give an example, just last week we were betrayed by some members of our coalition.  Goons take betrayal badly.  So we destroyed five supercapitals that they were building.  Since we know the rate at which the dollar trades against in-game currency, this means that we can say that we destroyed around 9,000 dollars' worth of their belongings in two short operations. They tried to bargain, inquiring if we would buy the supercapitals from them at discounted rates, instead.  That would be the calm, rational response.  But you can't put a price on sending a message.  So it all burned.  There was no fair fight, because we don't care about fair fights.  They never had a chance.

As a member of Goonswarm you have a unique opportunity: scamming.  Thousands of pilots want into our alliance.  They greedily eye our generous ship reimbursement program that lets you fly for free; the rich space that lets members make money easily; even just the chance to be on the winning team.  So long as they are not our allies you can sell them the chance to join, offer to move their ships and possessions, and promise them safe passage.  You will be lying, because you are a bad person and want to become very rich for no effort beyond a little social engineering.  But we promise not to judge you.

Where else can you be lauded, praised for being vindictive and duplicitous, and gain fame amongst your peers for the heartless nature of your scamming?  Well, apart from Nigeria and Wall Street, obviously.


SPACE COMMUNISM




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fuck off you faggot you can choke on all the ice dicks you want just STFU and stop spamming you filth of a human being

That's all very esoteric and nice but I can hear you asking what we will actually do for you.

From the moment your newbie ass hits the ground until your girlfriend issues you that final "it's me or Eve" ultimatum you are protected and supported by the Goonswarm Welfare State.  We are a space socialist alliance, where the vast wealth that we bring in from our moon wealth, our taxation and elsewhere flows back to our members in an attempt to ensure that nothing need come between you and the chance to kill vile outsiders.

When you join the alliance, you will be given ships, money and skillbooks.  When your grotesque incompetence and inability to stop watching hentai during fleet fights gets you killed, we recompense you for your ship, whether it be a frigate or a battleship.  Our contract team moves pre-fit ships into combat areas and our logistics team sets up and fuels jump-bridges to ease your movement.  You cosseted, entitled drain on society.


I AM NEW HOLD ME I'M SCARED


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Madam Epicus > i always knew goonswarm were fuckheads

We love newbies.  Last year, Eurosquad needed a new leader.  We picked a Goon who had been playing the game for a matter of days but seemed keen, and said "ok, you do it."  He has turned the squad into one of the most active and successful groups in the alliance, which runs its own operations, takes strategic objectives, gets drunk together on slosh ops and more.  Don't believe the bitter vets who claim you need years of training.

You'll be given access to our newbie forums and you'll have a team of mentors available to help you from day one.  You can join a Squad, who will give you free ships, skill-books and money to get you going.  If you want, you can be adopted by an experienced pilot who will keep an eye on you and help you find the fun.  Nobody else in Eve looks after you like we do with our cradle to grave space communism.


WHAT CAN I DO?


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Crystal Solette > just wanted to thank you for showing me that this game really IS a complete waste of time and rl money... saving for months and months, barely getting by but looking forward to advancing myself.. and all gone in less than 2 seconds. Really cool game.. anyway, have fun in your lil cartoon world. Maybe you will grow a penis some day?

Right at this moment we have two big projects running in parallel.  For those who enjoy the drama of nullsec sovereignty war - of taking space and killing alliances - we are running an invasion of the Delve region.  Again.  With an official war aim of liberating Mister Vee's Cruor frigate from the NOL-M9 system, this campaign is aimed squarely at getting fights and parting horrible posters from their space, just because.  We have announced rather humiliating terms of surrender for anyone who wishes to keep hold of their space, but otherwise we are taking a region we don't even want, and each station we take has been opened up for anyone to dock in, including the people we took it from, in what works out as a rather effective and humiliating slap in their collective faces.  From the time that you sign up for Eve Online to your first fleet fight can be a matter of a day or so if you really want.

Simultaneously, many goons are involved in a highly successful campaign of griefing aimed at choking off the supply of certain vital goods used to fuel the production of many advanced items needed in the game.  This is done by carrying out suicide attacks on defenseless mining ships, and has provoked thousands of outraged posts by offended victims.  A new pilot can be involved in this in a destroyer inside their first few days in the game, and your squadmates will help show you how if you ask them.

Once you experience the game a bit you might decide to try some of our special interest groups.  Here are just a few of them:

Black Ops: these experienced players specialise in shutting down the travel and money-making of entire hostile alliances, through equal measures of patience and bullying.

GS Recon: these people are the eyes of the fleet commanders and of the directorate.  They hunt down our targets.  They detail every weakness in their defences.  Before each fight, they watch, patiently, every move of our enemies.

The Goonfleet Intelligence Agency: we run agents in virtually every major alliance in Eve.  We have a division that is dedicated purely to automated intelligence gathering from an even wider range of targets.  After a lean period, now nobody else in Eve has as large a stable of spies scattered across the game.  Our FCs know what the enemy is doing.  Our directorate knows what their plans are.  Our diplomats know what deal they will cut.  And we always need more spies.

Goonswarm Offensive Logistics: are you autistic?  Does your loyalty to the alliance go so far as to involve actual self-harm?  These goon heroes are the sinews of our space empire.

Bomberwaffe: using cloaking stealth bombers a couple of dozen 'waffe pilots can wipe out a fleet of hostiles a hundred strong in a matter of seconds.  Mister Vee, our FC, is the best bomber commander in Eve.

Extreme Finance: you have heard economists talk about the Invisible Hand.  In Eve, it is probably attached to a Goon.  This group plots financial manipulation on a scale that even CCP's in-house economist takes note of.  Market PvP on the grand scale.


WHAT HAVE GOONS BEEN UP TO?



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Goons… It's them fucking yankees. Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Iraq, Somali and so on - all of it is their style, their politics. We've got to soak them sooner or later, everybody is well fed with them/

For starters, we finished the Great Eve War for once and for all.  At the time of the last Newbie Drive, SirMolle and the rest of Band of Brothers were still squatting awkwardly in Delve and Fountain.  This was offensive to Goonswarm, and represented unfinished business.  So in December we invaded their home regions, starting with Fountain, and within about ten weeks or so we destroyed them utterly with a mixture of massive fleet fights, spying and propaganda.  They are shattered, their corps scattered across half of Eve, and our victory is complete.  The only way Band of Brothers is reforming any time soon is as a four-piece, free-form jazz band aimed at letting Finfleet explore new musical directions.

We also took Cloud Ring from ze Germans of Ev0ke, in some grudge-settling from when we were still weak after losing our space.  As a result of these campaigns, our bloc now dominates the entire western side of the Eve universe, from Deklein down to northern Delve.

Our erstwhile allies in the Northern Coalition refused our advice and as a result died to a massive coalition containing more than half of Eve nullsec and headed by the Drone Russian Federation.  We were held by all to be next: hapless victims in front of an unstoppable juggernaut.  Pandemic Legion, at the head of many of the self-proclaimed "Elite" alliances of Eve assemble into one giant, preening coalition, launched a huge invasion with little warning.  But we successfully defended against them and, retaliating at once, destroyed their offensive in a single weekend.  Over the following weeks and months their coalition gradually broke up.

All in all, we find ourselves in a very strong position, secure and wealthy, and able to send our foreign legion and our allies around the map to attack others on a whim.


Download the Eve Client here.

If you are looking to join then post in this thread, or PM me or one of various other people whose names I will add when I let them know!
« Last Edit: November 09, 2011, 03:11:36 AM by Endie »

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Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 03:26:51 AM

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From: AlexiusDelta
Firstly, I congratulate your group's ability to subvert, circumvent and basically corrupt the game for your own profit. Once again you show that human beings are prolific at being abusive and criminal with their neighbors for the sole benefit of self-amusement. Criminals like yourself only spoil the game for the average player

Whoah There, Hoss: I Heard Eve Was Screwed

There is no doubt that Icelandic MMO developers CCP are as mad as two badgers fighting in a sack: this I will grant you. They decided, a while back, to launch an additional two, complete games - console shooter DUST 514 and some sparkly vampire MMO - while simultaneously trying to turn Eve into a standard walking-around-running-errands MMO full of microtransactions and $70 monocles. Bad ideas, all.

After an emergency CSM summit, CCP backed away from the 'pay to win' precipice - and if you want to watch a sleep-deprived Mittani and one very chastened CCP dev doze off while announcing "Peace in our time!" and mumbling soporifically about Eve Online then you can see it in this video.

After months of pressure, of argument and of lobbying - much of it orchestrated by Goonswarm CEO The Mittani - CCP have radically shifted their focus towards improving Eve Online, and every week sees announcements on improvements to the game. Here's a groveling apology from the CEO of the company repudiating their last two years of drift.

Is lag still bad?
So long as you steer clear of lowsec then lag is virtually unnoticeable even in fights with hundreds of people on each side.  We are effectively back to the lag-free fleet fights of 2009, with ships responsive even in massive brawls that would bring any other game to its knees.

How can I get the Eve Client?
You will find a guide to grabbing the free client on the public pages of our wiki.

I used to be in Bat Country how do I return?
We're all friends here, so I'm going to be frank here and admit that the process is marginally more convoluted than you might fondly imagine to be necessary.  However, there is, as ever, a wiki page explaining what to do.  This covers new and returning members.

Against All The Odds I'm In Now What?
Yet again, there is a wiki page full of helpful advice.  Key amongst these is to follow the advice on how to crack Eve's unwillingness to let you talk to others and open the GS_Help channel.

Any Other Advice?
Don't be a solipsist: let Goons help you.  Don't try and work it out alone.  Most especially, get someone to help you get into a fight: a fleet fight or a suicide gank or just about anything.  Get some kills and you'll find it hard to stop.

Am I eligible to join Goonswarm?
Are you a participating member of the somethingawful dot com forum community?  Non-posting pubbies who join SA just to get into our stout yeoman space guild are wasting their :tenbux:  We look at various criteria, like how long you have been a member, how much you post, and where you do that posting, in order to make that judgement.  If not, you'll need to be sponsored in by a goon: read the wiki, above, carefully.  That was your one warning.

I'm having trouble with the registration process!
CCP changed the API interface with the addition of 'vCodes' and this may reveal some bugs in our registration process.  If you have problems then please post about them in this thread, preferably with a link to a screenshot of the problem, and Solo (our server guy) will keep an eye on things and try to fix them.  At least until he loses interest.

Can I play for free
There are two main ways to pay for your account.  One is to pay money as normal.  The other is to use in-game currency to buy a month's subscription from someone who has paid cash for it.  They get in-game money, and you get to play for another month.  Scam someone for a billion ISK - not an unusual amount - and you can play for a couple of months and have money left over for some new ships.

What is the grind like?
You improve your character by setting a skill and letting it train away, even if you are offline.  While you sleep, your character is training up for your next ship.  No ten hour sessions camping a spawn spot to level up.

Wait a second this is mostly the SA Megathread OP
I wrote that and we are closely enough integrated that I could reuse almost all of it.

Any other help for newbies?
We are running this at the same time as the Goonwaffe recruitment drive.  As a result you will find that there are huge numbers of training operations being run.  There are mentors in the help and free ships channels ready to answer questions and hand out ships.  We have free skillbooks to get you on the way, and if you want a mentor individually assigned to you to help you with the learning curve then you just need to ask.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2011, 03:12:44 AM by Endie »

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Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 04:18:10 AM

That graph shows that proportionally the Goons suffer more grief than Everyone. Grin

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 04:28:44 AM

So what happened in 2010?
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Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 04:52:39 AM

Eve is a Bad Game but Goons make it fun.

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Reply #5 on: November 08, 2011, 05:05:38 AM

Without Goonswarm and BAT, EVE would indeed be boring.

We have skilled roaming and skirmish fleet commanders ready to rage at you not not knowing what you are doing.
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Reply #6 on: November 08, 2011, 05:26:53 AM

We put the old band back together. Then hired some back-up musicians, a few showgirls, then a bunch of groupies started following us. We're now signed up for a permanent world tour.

I am unironically having fun and excitement in Eve Online. It has been pleasant to see the alliance steadily move higher on different states of success, even going so far as to drag the game itself out of a muddy pond that smells of sulfur and hubris, which is Icelandic for rotten shark meat, I think. New battlecruisers coming next expansion will add another dimension in combat. They won't be the exact idea of Ion Cruisers I had in mind, but our fooling around on the test server have so far proven that they'll pull off leveraging the powercreep between supercaps and subcapitals nicely.

If you want to see what it looks like when game developers implement ideas from the playerbase in rapid succession, then you should be ready for CCP's next Winter Expansion.

Now for the important bit:
this guy looks legitIf you're creating a new account ask me for a buddy invite via PM with your e-mail and you'll get an extended 21-day trial. If you subscribe you will get 300 million ISK. Enough for a thousand Rifters. this guy looks legit

Also, if you start your new account in November you also get:

   +3 to all attributes (faster skill training)
   +20% Damage bonus to Turret weapons
   +20% Rate of Fire to Missile weapons

Don't miss out (you're missing out).
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Reply #7 on: November 08, 2011, 05:52:46 AM

Though I do not play anymore, and played for so many years I just can't get back into it, I must say Goons are the absolute best alliance by a mile.

They truly care about their newbees, don't give two fucks about your K/D ratio, have amazing leadership (including Endie and his amazing forum posts/updates), and a bad ass forum. Their current market manipulation/grief mission is hilarious and brilliant. There are some extremely smart people in Goons, and all you have to do is listen to a few of them and you will be space rich in no time.

I miss Goons and Eve.


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Reply #8 on: November 08, 2011, 05:56:27 AM

That graph shows that proportionally the Goons suffer more grief than Everyone. Grin

It does.  I mentioned this to Stahl, he made one with better set theory but it didn't look as good nor was it as funny to us.

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Reply #9 on: November 08, 2011, 06:00:38 AM

eve is a bad game, its only redeeming quality is the ease at which you can make pubbies cry.
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Reply #10 on: November 08, 2011, 06:26:01 AM

Proof that worldy/sandbox/not-WOW games can work. If you like to theorycraft about MMOs and have never given Eve a serious shot then you're doing it wrong.
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Reply #11 on: November 08, 2011, 06:32:37 AM

I would love to play again if there were actual battles.  Battles with other spaceships, I mean.
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Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 06:57:28 AM

Hay guise, can eye join?  awesome, for real

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Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 07:27:10 AM

i endorse this product and or service
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Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 07:32:03 AM

No Himo Amasacias.

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Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 07:59:33 AM

Great OP as always Endie.

EVE has ruined me for other MMOs and Goonswarm has ruined me for playing with anyone else in EVE.

Whenever I look at new MMOs now I just notice all the limitations and things I can't do or am not allowed to do and I just lose interest.  I used to be a big WoW junkie and when I'm talking with friends that still play it all of their cool stories are stuff like "Yeah, we killed X raid boss", "I got insane item drop X for 1,200 DKP" and that's the entire story.  When I talk about EVE stuff I have great stories like Goonswarm's lockdown of the PR system during the Delve invasion, or the Thanksgiving morning a few years ago where we had a system defense and had an amazing huge fleet battle defending one of our core systems.  Or even just explaining the current campaign against evil ice miners.

Eve itself is a terrible game, but it lets you make your own fun and do your own thing.  Flying with Goonswarm means you have a ton of other people setting up things for you to do if you're too lazy to figure it out yourself.  If you are a new player you almost have it even better off in flying with Bat Country in the Swarm, people will literally just give you in game currency and ships and tell you they will give you more if you go shoot something and get yourself blown up.  Do NOT try the game out solo for a few weeks thinking you need to learn everything and get on your own feet first, just don't do it.  Jump into Bat Country, tell people you are new and dive into things.


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Reply #16 on: November 08, 2011, 08:13:55 AM

Goons openly advertise their grefing play style; there is absolutely no doubt, after all they advertise it, that their intentions to run other players out of the game. Why are they not preemptively banned from the game? Are these empty boasts from goons or do EVE devs not care about account retention? Perhaps work with new players they do offsets grief damage?

I don't play EVE, and genuinely curious how/why Goons operate, especially from the game design point of view. I still remember guild banns in UO, and it was the right call every time. Are Goons more like Yew Orcs?
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Reply #17 on: November 08, 2011, 08:21:50 AM

Goons openly advertise their grefing play style; there is absolutely no doubt, after all they advertise it, that their intentions to run other players out of the game. Why are they not preemptively banned from the game? Are these empty boasts from goons or do EVE devs not care about account retention?

They don't break any game rules to get them banned.  Eve doesn't hold people's hands like most MMOs, most anything not involving account theft and RMT is allowed.  If put up a trading contract and say "Hey, this is a great deal on a battleship for only 10 million isk if you buy now." and you accept the contract without reading it to see it's actually for a frigate, that's your own fault.

One of Eve's best selling points is how open the game is and it couldn't be that open if it was bogged down with rules to give everyone some sheltered and safe WoW like experience.
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Reply #18 on: November 08, 2011, 08:26:41 AM

Plus they generate a decent amount of press, provide in game drama, and do more for attracting and retaining new players than pretty much any other alliance there is.

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Reply #19 on: November 08, 2011, 08:31:05 AM

You could count on the dog eat dog nature of the Eve universe or reverse psychology having something to do with why Eve stands out. CCP likes media attention and ever since the first internet spaceship double-cross found its way between the covers of a gaming magazine they saw that one persons magnificent ragequit can bring in hundreds of new subscribers who get their interests piqued. To many people reading about Eve is heaps more entertaining than playing it, thus the ethos of "the drama must flow."

Also it would be terrible publicity and a massive loss to subscriber numbers to ban a bunch of people based on forum group bigotry. We might as well ban everyone from Russia because ~everyone knows they all bot and do RMT~.
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Reply #20 on: November 08, 2011, 08:49:56 AM

Bat Country Recruitment thread, more like f13 Recruitment thread so far.

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Reply #21 on: November 08, 2011, 08:59:54 AM

Goons openly advertise their grefing play style; there is absolutely no doubt, after all they advertise it, that their intentions to run other players out of the game. Why are they not preemptively banned from the game? Are these empty boasts from goons or do EVE devs not care about account retention? Perhaps work with new players they do offsets grief damage?

I don't play EVE, and genuinely curious how/why Goons operate, especially from the game design point of view. I still remember guild banns in UO, and it was the right call every time. Are Goons more like Yew Orcs?

I played UO in the dread lord days and don't recall people being banned for griefing in the sense of using the game mechanics in the intended way to kill characters or steal from characters. The game had skills you could learn specifically for the purpose of looking in other characters' backpacks and stealing from them. Nobody got banned for using those skills. People got banned for exploiting bugs or using third-party programs to give them an advantage.

Goons in Eve don't use bugs or exploit faulty game mechanics. It may seem surprising but they have a really strong culture against doing that.

However, Eve is one of the few remaining games where you are able to destroy your opponents while playing the game as intended. You can blow up their spaceship, you can infiltrate their corp, you can take over their space and force them to load up a freighter with everything they own to make a desperate dash to safety and then blow up the freighter. This is not only considered a legitimate part of the game but actually as a selling point by CCP.
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Reply #22 on: November 08, 2011, 09:00:03 AM

I just hope some people from here jump into BC so I can pretend I'm marginally less awful at this game than a day 1 newbie (don't worry, you'll be better than I am by day 3).
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Reply #23 on: November 08, 2011, 09:09:25 AM

Goons openly advertise their grefing play style; there is absolutely no doubt, after all they advertise it, that their intentions to run other players out of the game. Why are they not preemptively banned from the game? Are these empty boasts from goons or do EVE devs not care about account retention? Perhaps work with new players they do offsets grief damage?

I don't play EVE, and genuinely curious how/why Goons operate, especially from the game design point of view. I still remember guild banns in UO, and it was the right call every time. Are Goons more like Yew Orcs?

We use the game mechanics, and the metagame, but we don't exploit.  I have several CCP devs following me on twitter and write freely about what we do.  A lot of the inspiration for Eve came from a bunch of Icelanders who enjoyed playing pre-Trammel Ultima online, after all.

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Reply #24 on: November 08, 2011, 09:13:27 AM

I /ragequit UPS last time due to my own pussified strat., causing me to lose my perfect BS rat-setup and 5 giant containers worth of shit.  Fact is, I should've fought instead of automatically trying to run.  (shrug)  My own damned fault.  Gots blowed up by a mere BoB frig. runnin nothin but a basic tackling setup really.  I had BS-level succors and gnasty drones and ran anyways because I assumed he wouldnt be dumb enough to try me w/o having viable ability to win...   why so serious?   So essentially I psychologically /ragequit myself.  Which is 9/10 times the real reason people quit.  They just cant get over their own mistakes.  In examining the fight post-mortem, I realized he essentially was flying by the seat of his pants and I could've easily podded his arse and used his head as a hood ornament for my best Ogre.  iamsad... still

edit:  response from a corpmate afterwards (I think it was Slayerik), "so uhh, can I have your stuff?"   awesome, for real
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Reply #25 on: November 08, 2011, 09:50:40 AM

That's what I really liked about Eve battles. Afterwards, when I had that sick feeling in my gut after losing some Astarte or something big, I would then think about the fight and where I fucked up, or what led up to the eventual welp. Lessons were learned. After enough skirmishes, you started to be the one taking advantage of other people's lack of experience,situational awareness, or good scouting. You were able to bait a lesser gang into a fight they normally wouldn't take. Eve small gang PVP is unrivaled in any game I have ever played. Many of the guys here have no love for old TRI but we frankly did some pretty crazy shit against vastly superior numbers. Crazy Romanian bastards always swearing at everyone on vent. Good times.

Knowing to align when a sketchy fight started, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of every ship in the game and having to decide if your two vagabonds, an arazu, and ishtar could take on 3 ravens, a huginn, and curse. And decide in about 10 seconds. Indecisiveness in Eve is almost always where bad shit starts. You have to analyze, and commit. And do it quickly. No decision is worse than a bad decision sometimes.

Anyway, memory lane is cool but Bat Country in Eve is cooler. I hope someone who was on the fence about joining might from this post.

Oh yeah, and the suicide ganking......  Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart

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Reply #26 on: November 08, 2011, 10:08:05 AM

Asshole, I'm patching now.
I MAY come back if not just to check out the new stuff and perhaps try and revitalize my setup, which I really liked.  Uber-hardening/repair BS with giant caps, succors, and drones.  It required a lot of skill commitment but it worked well.  I never liked gambling in PvP with it because it required just as you said, VERY decisive action or else I'd get podded.  And drones arent insurable (although BC does have a bit of self-insurance obviously).

I think I'll turn and fight from now on...  assuming I resub.

Right now "Dark Souls" and "Dungeon Defenders" has a hold on my psyche.

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Reply #27 on: November 08, 2011, 10:33:28 AM

Let me know when you get in Ghambit and I'll throw you another 300mil on top of Gets's offer and make you an internet almost billionaire.  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

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Reply #28 on: November 08, 2011, 10:37:46 AM

I've been flying a low skill point character for the last month and a half or so and it's actually been really fun. In EvE. Odd, I know. The game is better than it was in some ways and the winter expansion is looking pretty cool. It would be awesome to have more f13 bats to ride our bikes around in space and set shit on fire. Nothing is as fun as blowing up a 800 million ISK Tengu in a frigate. There's a lot of activity now, and the newbie drive ensures lots of people to fly with. If you're on the fence grab a free trial and check it out!
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Reply #29 on: November 08, 2011, 11:44:17 AM

Goddamn you bastards. I can feel my will eroding. Closing this thread now before I reactivate my accounts.

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Reply #30 on: November 08, 2011, 12:00:05 PM

Goddamn you bastards. I can feel my will eroding. Closing this thread now before I reactivate my accounts.

This.  I  Heart EVE from a concept point, on paper, and looking at it from the outside.  But every single goddamn time I get in, I feel like my time would be better spent pounding sand.

Besides that, if we're gonna start Penny-Arcade Forum style game posts, I will destroy you with BB-code on SWTOR post.  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

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Reply #31 on: November 08, 2011, 12:38:13 PM

I may resub just to fly some little dink ship and fuck with people.
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Reply #32 on: November 08, 2011, 02:03:06 PM

I resubbed, checkin stuff out now.  Christ, can we sprint at all in station?  wtf is all this new shit?  Oh hai, I have 4 million unspent skill points.  Uhhh, were they accumulating whilst unsubbed?  I'm damned confused, and once again dripping in newbsauce.  Though, I guess I'm cap. ship capable now.

Gotta say, love the new avatar customization stuff.
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Reply #33 on: November 08, 2011, 02:09:04 PM

What's your space name, Ghambit?

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Reply #34 on: November 08, 2011, 02:13:17 PM

Learning skills were removed a while back and the skillpoints refunded. Hold on to those unallocated skillpoints until you positively really absolutely surely know what you want to do and what ship to do it in. I hear Gallente is coming back into fashion. Getting into a Tengu, a Tech3 ship, and being a master rat annihilator would also be recommended.
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