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Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery.  Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve.  We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational.  Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers...  To us, each was a compliment.

But for a long time this basic cultural identity of ours was put aside.  We had a war to win - against Band of Brothers - and that took up all of our efforts.  Taking years, it was the greatest act of planned griefing in the game's history. We won, and were rewarded with such forum porn as dreams are made of.  But it required us to be ordered, focused and efficient.

That time is past.  We have returned to our roots.  Take a look at the official Eve Online forums and you will find page after page of threads complaining that we are ruining the game for miners, industrialists, mission-runners and more.  Our victims lose scores of hours and tens of thousands of dollars' worth of the tedious, dreary effort they have put themselves through every time we strike, and they simply cannot comprehend why or how it occurred.

They accuse us of exploiting; of hacking the official forums; of being CCP developers.

Join Bat Country in Eve and you can do all this: within a day or so of starting you can have a character that can help destroy some hapless soul's pride and joy.  And the alliance will pay for you to do so, replacing your ships and rewarding you for your efforts.  And you can try it for free for at least two weeks.

The winter patch is coming: Assault Ships will be buffed; gallente ships will be improved across the board; hybrid weapons are improving dramatically; supercapitals are being hit hard; T2 ammo is being ungimped; tier 3 battlecruisers fielding battleship weapons are being introduced; Time Dilation is being introduced to improve your ship's responsiveness in fleet fights; nullsec is being enhanced.  The list goes on and on.

Join Bat Country in Goonswarm Federation.  There is no time like the present.


WHAT IS EVE ONLINE?

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Eve Online is a Sci-Fi universe simulation.  The universe in which it exists is staggeringly huge: around 8000 star systems containing hundreds of thousands of celestial bodies: planets, moons and belts.  Within this single, unsharded world exist almost four hundred thousand active players, each of whose actions can affect any or all of the others.  At any given time there may be forty thousand people active in the Eve Universe.  There is nothing in the world of entertainment that even comes close, in scale, to an Eve battle involving over a thousand people.  One of CCP's recent promotional videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc), although a little stylised and stripped of the waiting around that often happens during the inevitable pre-fight jockeying for position, actually captures the feel of big fleet combat quite well.  For an ultra-realistic portrayal of a fight from our past, try this animation instead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rk-gLXqA5g).

You, the player, are a capsuleer: an immortal being, above the level of humanity, who can control spaceships kilometres long using no more than your thoughts.  The Eve Universe contains far more possible pursuits than can be dealt with here: you can fly combat missions; mine; run planetary industrial empires; play the markets through anything from hauling, through arbitrage all the way to the sort of inside information and market manipulation that would, in the real world, leave you facing seven to ten years as the cellblock's well-worn, white-collar glove-puppet.  You can explore hidden wormhole space, living alone or with a few friends in your own pocket dimension for days or weeks if that's the way your autism takes you.  Look at this picture (http://endie.net/img/eve/eve-wtd.jpg) (you'll need to zoom in): there is a lot to try in Eve.  And as one vast, unified universe, your actions can ultimately affect hundreds of thousands of others (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU).

But really, when it comes down to it, this is Eve Online:


You want to kill things and hurt people.  Shush... I know you do: it's OK.  Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so.  If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life.  Bat Country is built to help f13 members have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.


WHAT IS BAT COUNTRY?

Bat Country is the (very) long-running f13 corporation in Eve Online.  Since 2008 we have spent most of our time in Goonswarm, except for a few months in 2010.  We are mainly PvP-oriented, consistently over-achieving and regularly appearing in the top five corps for the alliance despite our small size.  We specialise in small gang work and look out difficult fights, giving our opponents every chance to gather several times our numbers before we engage.  We will engage in - and win - fights with fifteen or twenty of us and from seventy to a hundred hostiles.

We are also, arguably, the premiere spying and intel corporation in the whole of Eve Online, and have a reputation throughout those who know Eve for having sources in almost every major alliance in the game.  We were fighting an alliance last week (15 of us and 75 of them in far heavier ships) and another Goonswarm director said afterwards "I was listening to their communications and was going to offer you help but then I realised it was Bat Country so you'd have a spy already."  We did.

We have a couple of people in the GSF directorate: myself as director of the Goonfleet Intelligence Agency and Consigliere to The Mittani, and Gicer as a diplomat for the alliance.  Others help out the directorate directly in running the alliance intel network.  Our position in the alliance is a very good one.


WHAT ABOUT THE SPACESHIPS?

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In order to destroy the treasured possessions of others, Eve gives you the ability to fly spaceships.  Some are industrial in nature, but ignore those: you would be better-off pleasuring yourself wearing wire-wool gloves than mining.  The rest are warships: sleek, armoured dealers of imaginary internet death.  You will start in frigates only a few tens of metres long: with those you can lock down a ship costing a thousand times as much for your fellow goons to kill.  We love nothing so much as a foolhardy newbie tackler in a frigate.  Then there are destroyers: still fragile but able to kill a pod or a miner's ship in seconds.

And so on as you grow steadily more experienced: cruisers are still fast and fairly small but are capable of standing up to more punishment, and some people - I'm one of them - almost never fly anything bigger than a cruiser.  Cruiser-class hulls are the best tacklers in the game; the best logistics ships ("healers"); the most nimble and agile hunters; the best anti-support and the best electronic warfare platforms.  Does that sound like a lot of options?  Eve gives you options.

After the first couple of months, you will be able to fly a battlecruiser: a key ship in our fleet doctrines, and one which we use in order to destroy the mightiest, most expensive and overpowered ships in the game.  From there, the path continues: battleships; carriers; dreadnoughts, supercarriers and even titans the size of space stations and capable of destroying even capital ships with a single shot from their doomsday weapons.

You may discover a niche you enjoy.  Logistics pilots - including some of our most skilled members - keep our battleship fleet alive and killing.  ECM pilots enjoy knowing that they are causing several hostile fleet members at once to pound their keyboards in frustration at their inability to do anything at all.  Interdictor pilots - a few recklessly suicidal individuals whose flimsy, hit-and-run ships can prevent the escape of a hundred enemies at once - are favourites of our fleet commanders without whom we wouldn't even bother to undock.  Covert Ops scouts demoralise the enemy simply by being there, cloaked, watching their every move and acting as the eyes of the FCs.

Bittervets should note that CCP finally seem to have got it.  The leaks surrounding the winter expansion sound like a Goonswarm wish list: supercapitals are hit hard; subcapitals are enhanced virtually across the board; Caldari and Gallente see bonuses; new battlecruisers mounting battleship weapons match our doctrine perfectly and so on.


WHY JOIN BAT COUNTRY AND GOONSWARM?




If you play Eve alone, you will quit.  If you play eve in a group but don't PvP, you will probably still quit, but it will take a little longer.  If you join your fellow Goons in Eve and PvP, there is a very real risk that you will play for years, because no other game on the market offers the possibility of visiting meaningful, measurable damage upon those you fight.  The only way you could get a more immediate and satisfying capability to hurt your opponents in meaningful ways would be if they voluntarily wired electrodes to their scrotums and let you deliver repeated shocks to their testes.

To give an example, just last week we were betrayed by some members of our coalition.  Goons take betrayal badly.  So we destroyed five supercapitals that they were building.  Since we know the rate at which the dollar trades against in-game currency, this means that we can say that we destroyed around 9,000 dollars' worth of their belongings in two short operations. They tried to bargain, inquiring if we would buy the supercapitals from them at discounted rates, instead.  That would be the calm, rational response.  But you can't put a price on sending a message.  So it all burned.  There was no fair fight, because we don't care about fair fights.  They never had a chance.

As a member of Goonswarm you have a unique opportunity: scamming.  Thousands of pilots want into our alliance.  They greedily eye our generous ship reimbursement program that lets you fly for free; the rich space that lets members make money easily; even just the chance to be on the winning team.  So long as they are not our allies you can sell them the chance to join, offer to move their ships and possessions, and promise them safe passage.  You will be lying, because you are a bad person and want to become very rich for no effort beyond a little social engineering.  But we promise not to judge you.

Where else can you be lauded, praised for being vindictive and duplicitous, and gain fame amongst your peers for the heartless nature of your scamming?  Well, apart from Nigeria and Wall Street, obviously.


SPACE COMMUNISM

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That's all very esoteric and nice but I can hear you asking what we will actually do for you.

From the moment your newbie ass hits the ground until your girlfriend issues you that final "it's me or Eve" ultimatum you are protected and supported by the Goonswarm Welfare State.  We are a space socialist alliance, where the vast wealth that we bring in from our moon wealth, our taxation and elsewhere flows back to our members in an attempt to ensure that nothing need come between you and the chance to kill vile outsiders.

When you join the alliance, you will be given ships, money and skillbooks.  When your grotesque incompetence and inability to stop watching hentai during fleet fights gets you killed, we recompense you for your ship, whether it be a frigate or a battleship.  Our contract team moves pre-fit ships into combat areas and our logistics team sets up and fuels jump-bridges to ease your movement.  You cosseted, entitled drain on society.


I AM NEW HOLD ME I'M SCARED



We love newbies.  Last year, Eurosquad needed a new leader.  We picked a Goon who had been playing the game for a matter of days but seemed keen, and said "ok, you do it."  He has turned the squad into one of the most active and successful groups in the alliance, which runs its own operations, takes strategic objectives, gets drunk together on slosh ops and more.  Don't believe the bitter vets who claim you need years of training.

You'll be given access to our newbie forums and you'll have a team of mentors available to help you from day one.  You can join a Squad, who will give you free ships, skill-books and money to get you going.  If you want, you can be adopted by an experienced pilot who will keep an eye on you and help you find the fun.  Nobody else in Eve looks after you like we do with our cradle to grave space communism.


WHAT CAN I DO?



Right at this moment we have two big projects running in parallel.  For those who enjoy the drama of nullsec sovereignty war - of taking space and killing alliances - we are running an invasion of the Delve region.  Again.  With an official war aim of liberating Mister Vee's Cruor frigate from the NOL-M9 system, this campaign is aimed squarely at getting fights and parting horrible posters from their space, just because.  We have announced rather humiliating terms of surrender for anyone who wishes to keep hold of their space, but otherwise we are taking a region we don't even want, and each station we take has been opened up for anyone to dock in, including the people we took it from, in what works out as a rather effective and humiliating slap in their collective faces.  From the time that you sign up for Eve Online to your first fleet fight can be a matter of a day or so if you really want.

Simultaneously, many goons are involved in a highly successful campaign of griefing aimed at choking off the supply of certain vital goods used to fuel the production of many advanced items needed in the game.  This is done by carrying out suicide attacks on defenseless mining ships, and has provoked thousands of outraged posts by offended victims.  A new pilot can be involved in this in a destroyer inside their first few days in the game, and your squadmates will help show you how if you ask them.

Once you experience the game a bit you might decide to try some of our special interest groups.  Here are just a few of them:

Black Ops: these experienced players specialise in shutting down the travel and money-making of entire hostile alliances, through equal measures of patience and bullying.

GS Recon: these people are the eyes of the fleet commanders and of the directorate.  They hunt down our targets.  They detail every weakness in their defences.  Before each fight, they watch, patiently, every move of our enemies.

The Goonfleet Intelligence Agency: we run agents in virtually every major alliance in Eve.  We have a division that is dedicated purely to automated intelligence gathering from an even wider range of targets.  After a lean period, now nobody else in Eve has as large a stable of spies scattered across the game.  Our FCs know what the enemy is doing.  Our directorate knows what their plans are.  Our diplomats know what deal they will cut.  And we always need more spies.

Goonswarm Offensive Logistics: are you autistic?  Does your loyalty to the alliance go so far as to involve actual self-harm?  These goon heroes are the sinews of our space empire.

Bomberwaffe: using cloaking stealth bombers a couple of dozen 'waffe pilots can wipe out a fleet of hostiles a hundred strong in a matter of seconds.  Mister Vee, our FC, is the best bomber commander in Eve.

Extreme Finance: you have heard economists talk about the Invisible Hand.  In Eve, it is probably attached to a Goon.  This group plots financial manipulation on a scale that even CCP's in-house economist takes note of.  Market PvP on the grand scale.


WHAT HAVE GOONS BEEN UP TO?




For starters, we finished the Great Eve War for once and for all.  At the time of the last Newbie Drive, SirMolle and the rest of Band of Brothers were still squatting awkwardly in Delve and Fountain.  This was offensive to Goonswarm, and represented unfinished business.  So in December we invaded their home regions, starting with Fountain, and within about ten weeks or so we destroyed them utterly with a mixture of massive fleet fights, spying and propaganda.  They are shattered, their corps scattered across half of Eve, and our victory is complete.  The only way Band of Brothers is reforming any time soon is as a four-piece, free-form jazz band aimed at letting Finfleet explore new musical directions.

We also took Cloud Ring from ze Germans of Ev0ke, in some grudge-settling from when we were still weak after losing our space.  As a result of these campaigns, our bloc now dominates the entire western side of the Eve universe, from Deklein down to northern Delve.

Our erstwhile allies in the Northern Coalition refused our advice and as a result died to a massive coalition containing more than half of Eve nullsec and headed by the Drone Russian Federation.  We were held by all to be next: hapless victims in front of an unstoppable juggernaut.  Pandemic Legion, at the head of many of the self-proclaimed "Elite" alliances of Eve assemble into one giant, preening coalition, launched a huge invasion with little warning.  But we successfully defended against them and, retaliating at once, destroyed their offensive in a single weekend.  Over the following weeks and months their coalition gradually broke up.

All in all, we find ourselves in a very strong position, secure and wealthy, and able to send our foreign legion and our allies around the map to attack others on a whim.


Download the Eve Client here (https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Downloading_%26_the_Free_Trial).

If you are looking to join then post in this thread, or PM me or one of various other people whose names I will add when I let them know!

FAQ:

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Whoah There, Hoss: I Heard Eve Was Screwed

There is no doubt that Icelandic MMO developers CCP are as mad as two badgers fighting in a sack: this I will grant you. They decided, a while back, to launch an additional two, complete games - console shooter DUST 514 and some sparkly vampire MMO - while simultaneously trying to turn Eve into a standard walking-around-running-errands MMO full of microtransactions and $70 monocles. Bad ideas, all.

After an emergency CSM summit, CCP backed away from the 'pay to win' precipice - and if you want to watch a sleep-deprived Mittani and one very chastened CCP dev doze off while announcing "Peace in our time!" and mumbling soporifically about Eve Online then you can see it in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kat_uoAvnk).

After months of pressure, of argument and of lobbying - much of it orchestrated by Goonswarm CEO The Mittani - CCP have radically shifted their focus towards improving Eve Online, and every week sees announcements on improvements to the game. Here's a groveling apology from the CEO (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2672) of the company repudiating their last two years of drift.

Is lag still bad?
So long as you steer clear of lowsec then lag is virtually unnoticeable even in fights with hundreds of people on each side.  We are effectively back to the lag-free fleet fights of 2009, with ships responsive even in massive brawls that would bring any other game to its knees.

How can I get the Eve Client?
You will find a guide to grabbing the free client on the public pages of our wiki (https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Downloading_%26_the_Free_Trial).

I used to be in Bat Country how do I return?
We're all friends here, so I'm going to be frank here and admit that the process is marginally more convoluted than you might fondly imagine to be necessary.  However, there is, as ever, a wiki page explaining what to do (https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe_101).  This covers new and returning members.

Against All The Odds I'm In Now What?
Yet again, there is a wiki page full of helpful advice (https://wiki.goonfleet.com/I%27ve_Just_Joined_GoonSwarm,_Now_What%3F).  Key amongst these is to follow the advice on how to crack Eve's unwillingness to let you talk to others and open the GS_Help channel.

Any Other Advice?
Don't be a solipsist: let Goons help you.  Don't try and work it out alone.  Most especially, get someone to help you get into a fight: a fleet fight or a suicide gank or just about anything.  Get some kills and you'll find it hard to stop.

Am I eligible to join Goonswarm?
Are you a participating member of the somethingawful dot com forum community?  Non-posting pubbies who join SA just to get into our stout yeoman space guild are wasting their :tenbux:  We look at various criteria, like how long you have been a member, how much you post, and where you do that posting, in order to make that judgement.  If not, you'll need to be sponsored in by a goon: read the wiki, above, carefully.  That was your one warning.

I'm having trouble with the registration process!
CCP changed the API interface with the addition of 'vCodes' and this may reveal some bugs in our registration process.  If you have problems then please post about them in this thread, preferably with a link to a screenshot of the problem, and Solo (our server guy) will keep an eye on things and try to fix them.  At least until he loses interest.

Can I play for free
There are two main ways to pay for your account.  One is to pay money as normal.  The other is to use in-game currency to buy a month's subscription from someone who has paid cash for it.  They get in-game money, and you get to play for another month.  Scam someone for a billion ISK - not an unusual amount - and you can play for a couple of months and have money left over for some new ships.

What is the grind like?
You improve your character by setting a skill and letting it train away, even if you are offline.  While you sleep, your character is training up for your next ship.  No ten hour sessions camping a spawn spot to level up.

Wait a second this is mostly the SA Megathread OP
I wrote that and we are closely enough integrated that I could reuse almost all of it.

Any other help for newbies?
We are running this at the same time as the Goonwaffe recruitment drive.  As a result you will find that there are huge numbers of training operations being run.  There are mentors in the help and free ships channels ready to answer questions and hand out ships.  We have free skillbooks to get you on the way, and if you want a mentor individually assigned to you to help you with the learning curve then you just need to ask.

That graph shows that proportionally the Goons suffer more grief than Everyone. ;D

So what happened in 2010?

Eve is a Bad Game but Goons make it fun.

Without Goonswarm and BAT, EVE would indeed be boring.

We have skilled roaming and skirmish fleet commanders ready to rage at you not not knowing what you are doing.

We put the old band back together. Then hired some back-up musicians, a few showgirls, then a bunch of groupies started following us. We're now signed up for a permanent world tour.

I am unironically having fun and excitement in Eve Online. It has been pleasant to see the alliance steadily move higher on different states of success, even going so far as to drag the game itself out of a muddy pond that smells of sulfur and hubris, which is Icelandic for rotten shark meat, I think. New battlecruisers coming next expansion will add another dimension in combat. They won't be the exact idea of Ion Cruisers I had in mind, but our fooling around on the test server have so far proven that they'll pull off leveraging the powercreep between supercaps and subcapitals nicely.

If you want to see what it looks like when game developers implement ideas from the playerbase in rapid succession, then you should be ready for CCP's next Winter Expansion.

Now for the important bit:
:pedobear:If you're creating a new account ask me for a buddy invite via PM with your e-mail and you'll get an extended 21-day trial. If you subscribe you will get 300 million ISK. Enough for a thousand Rifters. :pedobear:

Also, if you start your new account in November you also get:

   +3 to all attributes (faster skill training)
   +20% Damage bonus to Turret weapons
   +20% Rate of Fire to Missile weapons

Don't miss out (you're missing out).

Though I do not play anymore, and played for so many years I just can't get back into it, I must say Goons are the absolute best alliance by a mile.

They truly care about their newbees, don't give two fucks about your K/D ratio, have amazing leadership (including Endie and his amazing forum posts/updates), and a bad ass forum. Their current market manipulation/grief mission is hilarious and brilliant. There are some extremely smart people in Goons, and all you have to do is listen to a few of them and you will be space rich in no time.

I miss Goons and Eve.

It does.  I mentioned this to Stahl, he made one with better set theory but it didn't look as good nor was it as funny to us.

eve is a bad game, its only redeeming quality is the ease at which you can make pubbies cry.

Proof that worldy/sandbox/not-WOW games can work. If you like to theorycraft about MMOs and have never given Eve a serious shot then you're doing it wrong.

I would love to play again if there were actual battles.  Battles with other spaceships, I mean.

Hay guise, can eye join?  :awesome_for_real:

i endorse this product and or service

No Himo Amasacias.

Great OP as always Endie.

EVE has ruined me for other MMOs and Goonswarm has ruined me for playing with anyone else in EVE.

Whenever I look at new MMOs now I just notice all the limitations and things I can't do or am not allowed to do and I just lose interest.  I used to be a big WoW junkie and when I'm talking with friends that still play it all of their cool stories are stuff like "Yeah, we killed X raid boss", "I got insane item drop X for 1,200 DKP" and that's the entire story.  When I talk about EVE stuff I have great stories like Goonswarm's lockdown of the PR system during the Delve invasion, or the Thanksgiving morning a few years ago where we had a system defense and had an amazing huge fleet battle defending one of our core systems.  Or even just explaining the current campaign against evil ice miners.

Eve itself is a terrible game, but it lets you make your own fun and do your own thing.  Flying with Goonswarm means you have a ton of other people setting up things for you to do if you're too lazy to figure it out yourself.  If you are a new player you almost have it even better off in flying with Bat Country in the Swarm, people will literally just give you in game currency and ships and tell you they will give you more if you go shoot something and get yourself blown up.  Do NOT try the game out solo for a few weeks thinking you need to learn everything and get on your own feet first, just don't do it.  Jump into Bat Country, tell people you are new and dive into things.

Goons openly advertise their grefing play style; there is absolutely no doubt, after all they advertise it, that their intentions to run other players out of the game. Why are they not preemptively banned from the game? Are these empty boasts from goons or do EVE devs not care about account retention? Perhaps work with new players they do offsets grief damage?

I don't play EVE, and genuinely curious how/why Goons operate, especially from the game design point of view. I still remember guild banns in UO, and it was the right call every time. Are Goons more like Yew Orcs?

They don't break any game rules to get them banned.  Eve doesn't hold people's hands like most MMOs, most anything not involving account theft and RMT is allowed.  If put up a trading contract and say "Hey, this is a great deal on a battleship for only 10 million isk if you buy now." and you accept the contract without reading it to see it's actually for a frigate, that's your own fault.

One of Eve's best selling points is how open the game is and it couldn't be that open if it was bogged down with rules to give everyone some sheltered and safe WoW like experience.

Plus they generate a decent amount of press, provide in game drama, and do more for attracting and retaining new players than pretty much any other alliance there is.

You could count on the dog eat dog nature of the Eve universe or reverse psychology having something to do with why Eve stands out. CCP likes media attention and ever since the first internet spaceship double-cross found its way between the covers of a gaming magazine they saw that one persons magnificent ragequit can bring in hundreds of new subscribers who get their interests piqued. To many people reading about Eve is heaps more entertaining than playing it, thus the ethos of "the drama must flow."

Also it would be terrible publicity and a massive loss to subscriber numbers to ban a bunch of people based on forum group bigotry. We might as well ban everyone from Russia because ~everyone knows they all bot and do RMT~.

Bat Country Recruitment thread, more like f13 Recruitment thread so far.

Hi Bat Country dudes.

I played UO in the dread lord days and don't recall people being banned for griefing in the sense of using the game mechanics in the intended way to kill characters or steal from characters. The game had skills you could learn specifically for the purpose of looking in other characters' backpacks and stealing from them. Nobody got banned for using those skills. People got banned for exploiting bugs or using third-party programs to give them an advantage.

Goons in Eve don't use bugs or exploit faulty game mechanics. It may seem surprising but they have a really strong culture against doing that.

However, Eve is one of the few remaining games where you are able to destroy your opponents while playing the game as intended. You can blow up their spaceship, you can infiltrate their corp, you can take over their space and force them to load up a freighter with everything they own to make a desperate dash to safety and then blow up the freighter. This is not only considered a legitimate part of the game but actually as a selling point by CCP.

I just hope some people from here jump into BC so I can pretend I'm marginally less awful at this game than a day 1 newbie (don't worry, you'll be better than I am by day 3).

We use the game mechanics, and the metagame, but we don't exploit.  I have several CCP devs following me on twitter and write freely about what we do.  A lot of the inspiration for Eve came from a bunch of Icelanders who enjoyed playing pre-Trammel Ultima online, after all.

I /ragequit UPS last time due to my own pussified strat., causing me to lose my perfect BS rat-setup and 5 giant containers worth of shit.  Fact is, I should've fought instead of automatically trying to run.  (shrug)  My own damned fault.  Gots blowed up by a mere BoB frig. runnin nothin but a basic tackling setup really.  I had BS-level succors and gnasty drones and ran anyways because I assumed he wouldnt be dumb enough to try me w/o having viable ability to win...   :why_so_serious:   So essentially I psychologically /ragequit myself.  Which is 9/10 times the real reason people quit.  They just cant get over their own mistakes.  In examining the fight post-mortem, I realized he essentially was flying by the seat of his pants and I could've easily podded his arse and used his head as a hood ornament for my best Ogre.  iamsad... still

edit:  response from a corpmate afterwards (I think it was Slayerik), "so uhh, can I have your stuff?"   :awesome_for_real:

That's what I really liked about Eve battles. Afterwards, when I had that sick feeling in my gut after losing some Astarte or something big, I would then think about the fight and where I fucked up, or what led up to the eventual welp. Lessons were learned. After enough skirmishes, you started to be the one taking advantage of other people's lack of experience,situational awareness, or good scouting. You were able to bait a lesser gang into a fight they normally wouldn't take. Eve small gang PVP is unrivaled in any game I have ever played. Many of the guys here have no love for old TRI but we frankly did some pretty crazy shit against vastly superior numbers. Crazy Romanian bastards always swearing at everyone on vent. Good times.

Knowing to align when a sketchy fight started, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of every ship in the game and having to decide if your two vagabonds, an arazu, and ishtar could take on 3 ravens, a huginn, and curse. And decide in about 10 seconds. Indecisiveness in Eve is almost always where bad shit starts. You have to analyze, and commit. And do it quickly. No decision is worse than a bad decision sometimes.

Anyway, memory lane is cool but Bat Country in Eve is cooler. I hope someone who was on the fence about joining might from this post.

Oh yeah, and the suicide ganking......  :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

Asshole, I'm patching now.
I MAY come back if not just to check out the new stuff and perhaps try and revitalize my setup, which I really liked.  Uber-hardening/repair BS with giant caps, succors, and drones.  It required a lot of skill commitment but it worked well.  I never liked gambling in PvP with it because it required just as you said, VERY decisive action or else I'd get podded.  And drones arent insurable (although BC does have a bit of self-insurance obviously).

I think I'll turn and fight from now on...  assuming I resub.

Right now "Dark Souls" and "Dungeon Defenders" has a hold on my psyche.

Let me know when you get in Ghambit and I'll throw you another 300mil on top of Gets's offer and make you an internet almost billionaire.  :drill:

I've been flying a low skill point character for the last month and a half or so and it's actually been really fun. In EvE. Odd, I know. The game is better than it was in some ways and the winter expansion is looking pretty cool. It would be awesome to have more f13 bats to ride our bikes around in space and set shit on fire. Nothing is as fun as blowing up a 800 million ISK Tengu in a frigate. There's a lot of activity now, and the newbie drive ensures lots of people to fly with. If you're on the fence grab a free trial and check it out!

Goddamn you bastards. I can feel my will eroding. Closing this thread now before I reactivate my accounts.

This.  I  :heart: EVE from a concept point, on paper, and looking at it from the outside.  But every single goddamn time I get in, I feel like my time would be better spent pounding sand.

Besides that, if we're gonna start Penny-Arcade Forum style game posts, I will destroy you with BB-code on SWTOR post.  :drill:

I may resub just to fly some little dink ship and fuck with people.

I resubbed, checkin stuff out now.  Christ, can we sprint at all in station?  wtf is all this new shit?  Oh hai, I have 4 million unspent skill points.  Uhhh, were they accumulating whilst unsubbed?  I'm damned confused, and once again dripping in newbsauce.  Though, I guess I'm cap. ship capable now.

Gotta say, love the new avatar customization stuff.

What's your space name, Ghambit?

Learning skills were removed a while back and the skillpoints refunded. Hold on to those unallocated skillpoints until you positively really absolutely surely know what you want to do and what ship to do it in. I hear Gallente is coming back into fashion. Getting into a Tengu, a Tech3 ship, and being a master rat annihilator would also be recommended.

Endie: I have no desire to play EVE. But I have to offer a tip of the hat for yet another fabulous and entertaining recruitment post. Bravo, sir!

Indeed. I'm not really tempted, but you get an A for effort.

"Siulung"
Looks like I have an old jump clone where all my stuff is. hehe... aaannnd we dont own that space anymore (ava memorial now?).  nice.  Seems the russians have taken over.   :awesome_for_real:   Wow, I thought all my stuff got spaced.  It's still out there.

They just added additional 5% tracking to Railguns and 5% damage to Blasters ontop of the planned changes if you haven't caught the drift yet.

That's why you should join Bat Country and GSF, where other people take care of the sand pounding for you. :awesome_for_real:

Honestly, I wish I could contribute to this thread, but I think everyone else has basically said what needs to be said. The only thing I can really add right now is that the cloud ring and fountain wars have been some of the best times I've had in EVE, to the point of being logged in and doing thangs from I got home till I went to bed. I don't even really have to grind up isk, and I definitely do not need to do so once I started joining the GSF Crack Finance Team, where we can literally make bank by even threatening to play with a market.

And, with the plethora of subcap changes that are coming very very soon, it's looking better and better for subcap pilots as well. In fact, with the tier 3 battlecruisers, I'd say it's looking awesome, and I doubt you'll find a better place to be. That is, unless you're one of those people who play eve online with nothing but a super serious face on, and you don't suffer fools easily, because if there's something we do, is goof around.

Having said that:

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So they finally admitted railgun tracking is retarded?   5% sounds kind of weak though.    Is there a dev blog about this latest change?

Can any of you guys that are playing comment on the current status of PvP?  Is it still a POS clusterfuck, or is it mostly small gang stuff right now.  I have no interest in playing much if it's POS or ratting.

This is disturbingly tempting particularly given after x months of inactivity, you finally threw me out--well one of me.

The answer is yes.  There are large scale fleet ops, training ops, shooting POS with dbrb and his dog, and small gang ops run that typically are roams or rarely a bit of gate camping.  The  small roams are a bit exciting since you have to actually almost pay attention to the game as opposed to a large fleet op in which the most challenging aspect of the op is Will The Titan Pilot fuck up and jump itself instead of us this time (again).

If I decide to resub I probably won't have a lot of interest in the huge ops. 

They have their time and place, but in terms of excitement and bang for the buck, the small gang roams are a lot more exciting.  Especially when you do things like piss of a corp to such an extent they decide to bring out a titan (http://kb.batcountry-eve.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12724) to elite pvp you.

That's pretty awesome. :awesome_for_real:

Eve with -BAT-/Goons is about as fun as the game can be. And from a game design perspective there's nothing quite like it.

Pretty certain that's a-ok, we've got a fairly large contingent of small gangs fights. Personally I'm more for the large ops, myself, but I think you won't be wanting for small gangs if you want.

How can anyone not want to fly in large fleets after watching this video  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyPyh9Qtawk)I don't know.

Eve Online: Russian retard summercamp.

Upon perusing the place, if you cant find something to do whilst in BC/Goons then I dont think you ever will really.  Game just wont be for you.  There's some kinda shit goin down every day/night it seems (sometimes multiple times per day). 

Hardest thing is deciding which direction to go.

Last night 18 Bat Country took on over 90 IRC and killed about twice as many as we lost (it's hard not to lose the odd ship when their fleet could split into four and alpha one of your ships with each part if we let them).  Tonight there is another roam, assuming that everyone got back from last night's, which I gather ended up in sauve qui peut...  There's a frigate roam on Saturday.  There was a gatecamp op on Saturday from a beginner FC.  All of these are just corp ops.

Just to stress this point, last night saw nearly 20 Bat Country people form up at a couple of hours' notice (I didn't spot it) midweek while half the corp was still at work and take on everything that a 3,500 man alliance could throw at us.  And sneak a win.

When I last played my youngest son had just been born, so I had a serious lack of time.  I may give this another go for a bit as I'm getting bored with Star Trek Online.

I have to say, if anything makes me want to play Eve, its your ads.

I am very close to resisting this.

Last night 8 Bat Country members jumped into vagas with a rapier, two scimis and a cynabal and ran around Syndicate picking fights.  We killed a few agony unleashed then skirmished with a fleet of twice our numbers in identical ships.  Nearly killed one of their three cynabals (soooo close) but eventually had to bail with no losses or kills.  Really fun, edge-of-the-seat stuff though.

The comm. organization was actually fairly impressive, and quite disciplined.  And when it wasn't you were treated to classic british snarkery.   :grin:  (I didnt even undock, I just listened in)
Is the late-night crowd as entertaining?

I don't know.  Smushsmush, George Ocean and others do informal US timezone roams and general fucking around

We have a drunken frigate op on Saturday run by a member who wants to learn to FC.  Then we have a pro skirmish op on Sunday with lacheses, huginns, sabres, scimis and nanodrakes for DPS: drakes with a nano in the low slots can be trained up in a matter of weeks and are quite easy to learn, and we use them instead of canes for dps ships quite often.

Last night's vagabond run was because numbers were lower after the previous night and the people who were there were generally very experienced.  We need and want more newbies to apply dps though.  You can be in a stabber in a couple of days and come along to learn in what amounts to a ghetto vagabond.

If you can get old pre-learning skill vets like me to come back they can pretty much plug their refunded SP into whatever BC/Goons wants instantaneously.  I went from a Gall PvE-rattanker to a Min-ganker in about 2 mins, leaving me still in position for the eventual gall/hybrid revolution.   :awesome_for_real:   Perhaps add that to your ads.  I bet half the people here fall into that category.  For me it worked out to about 3.5m SP.

Shit, I'd pay $10 just to get to reapply those points.

Alright, Endie, I'm going to resub.  What do I have to do to get Goon reinstated?

As always, an awesome recruitment post.  Makes me want to re-sub.  Then I remember that I'm apparently too damn stupid to be even marginally successful at this game.

Ok I've been mulling this in my head about whether to post this, but I figure what the heck.

I will say that if you are going to try eve online, try it with Bat country. Its almost the best way to enjoy the game.  BUT and its a very big and subtle BUT, I would be a cautious of goon culture. There are politics running under the seams in Goonswarm, and for all their talk of not taking the game seriously they have unspoken rules that they take VERY seriously, and woe betide you if you break them. As an example of the politics, Bat countries predecessor LOVEU inadvertently got used in one factions plans to rip goons apart for the luls, and as a result got booted out of goonswarm. So I will say be cautious, don't talk on the forums till you have a sense of the culture, and basically enjoy the experiance but keep a little distance till you are sure of your ground.

There's more I could say but I'll leave it at that.

Oddly, my best memory of being in Goons was one night when we were bored and I recited the American Deceleration of Independence over coms.  :heart:

Of course there's politics, it's an organization of several thousand people.  You make it sound much scarier than it is, especially the LOVEU thing.  Half the reason LOVEU was kicked out was because of regular, consistant drama within its directorate including, but not limited to: directors claiming whole systems for themselves and shooting Goons trying to rat in them, a director attempting a coup against the CEO only to be caught and summarily kicked out of the corp (but not alliance), the guy from the first example hacking the CEO's account and stealing most of the corp's assets, and the corp's founders resubbing after more than two years of inactivity to demand control of the corp and posting loudly about it on the alliance forums.  This was all in about 4 months.

Bat Country proper has never had this kind of leadership drama, and the only reason there has been any change at the top recently is because our previous CEO stepped down due to a lack of availability.

Irek Dabry is #1.

I'll just pipe in with this. Reading the story of LOVEU, and being in LOVEU during the final delve/querious debacle, the politics were a lot more visible for the lineman in those few months than anything I've seen in the close to 1.5 years since then. Literally the biggest piece of drama was when we took on a few Antares Shipyards people, one of which was one guy with a silky smooth baritone voice which apparently got arkhamina and her girls all aflutter. I haven't seen anything even close to the LOVEU level of "kick <corp>", it's barely even said in jest. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing I have to keep in mind is not unironically posting fuckstupid things like toonies, iskies, mommyship etc.

In short, don't be an asshat and you'll be fine.

Isn't being an asshat an entry requirement?

I suppose I could qualify that further into "don't be an asshat to people in the corp/alliance/coalition; we don't give a fuck what you do to neuts/reds."

Everything in this thread, from the brilliant first post to the conversations makes me want to join you. Except it's EvE, which I have no interest in.  :heartbreak:

Very few people who play it do either. I really think it would be a great game for you Az.

Okay peeps.  Who here can get me back into the corp?   :awesome_for_real:

Send me your API and I'll see what I can do.

Never send Furiously your API, just send me the app fee of 500mil and I'll make it happen for you.

Not bloody likely.   :grin:

Hi

Whatever you do, don't get in his van.

I think someone should change their API right about now.

You guys are the best.   :heart:

Yesterday, one of our Bat Country members set up a trap that - after five hours of stalking the target with a fleet run by DBRB - was sprung on the capital fleets of both the Ammar factional warfare alliance and their enemies.  Both sides thought that we were there to help them, and we even had thirty goons in one of the hostile fleets.  In a classic false flag manuevre that Cochrane would have been proud of, they dropped fleet as we engaged, targeting the ships of their erstwhile fleetmates to prevent their escape.

We killed about a dozen capital ships and even more than that self-destructed in a misguided attempt to deny us satisfaction.  Several faction ships also died.  Fun was had.

I'd love to see a transcript of the hostile fleet voice comms when they discovered what was happening.

We got fishbowled inside a POS field with no guns against 70 nulli, 20 of which were scimis.  Blew two dictor bubbles on a clear align to jp4, sacced the dictors, and got everyone else out alive (almost 40 of us).  Good times... even though we killed nothing.  Watching 120 ships jockeying for position (and us trying not to get bumped outside the fiield) inside an area about 2500m wide is   :awesome_for_real:  

I'm actually tired...  going back to BATspace to make money.  I shall return though, with bigger gunz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJg8C2jSqWo

Look ma, I'm on the internet. The guy is awful at setting up his UI and selecting targets, but at least I can point to this and say, definitively, that I was there.

I was a couple of days behind everyone else seeing this because I have had bad experiences with youtube videos of Eve fights (see the above video with terrible screen setup and the guy a couple of minutes behind the fleet burning through gates to get there) but this... this...

Well, I'll just say that it is a brilliant story of the sort that only Eve can throw up, with twists, turns, defeats, drama and brilliant editing.  I spent my lunchtime watching it the other day and didn't regret doing so for a minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE

I spent 37 minutes I should've spent debugging, watching this video instead. I then stumbled upon something that finally gave me some progress on something that has had me stumped since friday.

Morale of the story: watch awesome eve videos, it helps you debug things!

What? :oh_i_see:

I'm just starting to fool with Planetary Interaction.  I like how it's essentially a slower version of the game "SpaceChem."  Love that damned game.  Nice lil diversion when you get tired ratting and griefing and great for the crafters and brokers.

PI seems like a massive timesink, so I haven't fucked with it.  But then again, I know almost nothing about it other than reading a little bit here and there.

I do PI on 1 char, the way I do it, 5 extraction planets and 1 manufacturing planet, it's not really a timesink at all. The major thing is extracting it from all the p1 planets, go back to the station, select 13150 of each type, minus whatever is already on the factory planet, undock and head to the factory planet, import to the two launchpads, export robotics and dock back up again. And of course reset all extractors that have finished their run. I do 2 or 3 days cycles now, since that seems to deplete things less, which means less manual work. Easily doable in a few minutes.

I think I average somewhere between 200-500 robotics pr day, so not exactly a huge moneymaker. vOv

I'm running it a bit differently (but by no means smarter, because that would imply I have a god damn clue, which I don't), but basically, I run six planets, each set up as a pair, with one planet being simply a stock feeder to the other, which is set up to gather resources and produce.    I'm doing Enriched Uranium, Coolant, and Superconductors.   Profit wise, if I'm lazy and sell all three in Deklein instead of Jita, it's approximately 18million every cycle (which is 2 days).  

That said, the complexity/time sink is all in the prep and initial setup.  Once that's done, it's about 5-10 minutes of work to ferry shit around and restart extractors.   Really, the hardest part is remembering to not go tromping about in a Badger if there's a neut/red in the area.

Five days until the winter patch, and the likely ensuing chaos over the following weeks.

Also we have a corp roam tonight.

State of the Goonion in a few hours. Oh god, I'm seriously thinking of coming back.

Can someone explain this (http://kb.batcountry-eve.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19843) kill by Bat Country on IRC? Followed by his 2.8Billion isk pod (http://kb.batcountry-eve.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19844)!

Total Module Loss:
   1,595,005,601.00
Total Module Drop:
   1,615,687,920.00
Ship Loss:
   22,499,999.00
Total Loss at current prices:
   3,233,193,520.00

The pilot said just before hand...

That's quite the expensive loss of an IRC Cheeta. 3 months of game time dropped and a total kill of 7 months worth of game playing!

I signed up. SOTG. We're invading White Noise. The invasion started with 1500 ships in 6 fleets. White Noise's intelligence is so bad they are still deployed to HED on the other side of the galaxy. With luck we'll be fighting BoB mk IV. See you on the killboards.

And again I'm a bit annoyed because this kicks off, just like the VFK headshot, literally THE DAY BEFORE I go on vacation.

Oh well, things'll still be there when I get back in 2 weeks, see you in the top 600s/month :grin:

State of the Goonion (http://soundcloud.com/eddicted/state-of-the-goonion-dec-2011). 6 fleets formed up afterwards and crossed the border. One CSAA down that was unstronted. Surprise is complete. The war for Branch has began.

Countdown to the traditional campaign launch major welp incident.

http://s1.directupload.net/images/111218/bqgomcyc.jpg  (http://kodu.ut.ee/~a73440/eve/toot.gif)

... Run out of opponents I guess? Really not that many meaningful power blocks left... just CFC and DRF (if they're still a coherent coalition).

Dateline Branch Region: Shock and Awe

When the SotG finished, six separate fleets filled up - A Supercap fleet of a wing of Titans and 2 Wings of Supercarriers, a 2nd fleet of Dreadnoughts and Carriers, a 3rd fleet of nothing but Command ships, Maelstrom Battleships and Logistic support, a 4th fleet of Battleships, Cruisers and fast ships and a 5th fleet of the same make up. Over a 1000 ships attacked several systems simultaneously.

The fleets all crossed the border with complete surprise and began attacking CSAA's, Stations, Starbases and deploying SBU's throughout the region. The defence was non existent for the first few hours, with the majority of the defending ships still deployed half the galaxy away at the HED system in distant Catch. One CSAA was reported to be not fuelled and was destroyed, though that has not yet been confirmed. What has been confirmed is that every other CSAA in the region are horribly timed for US prime ,two days from now.
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It's expected that White Noise will appeal for help from their erstwhile allies - RaidenDOT (aka Band of Brothers Mk IV), NCDOT (Aka Tri mk XXXVIII) and Pandemic Legion (aka people with lots of Supercaps which are now a lot easier to kill). Right now White Noise is massively outnumbered, but can trade er, space, for time. Losing Branch I don't think would cause a failure cascade as it did to IT in Fountain 6 months ago.

However, several of their new corps just joined from Morses Mihini, who now face losing their space AGAIN to the CFC within a month of losing their space in Delve. Their second in command is a man called Horus who failed at an attempted coup de ta against his leader, which resulted in their main FC getting fired. Intel suggests they are both leaderless, divided and with few friends willing to bail them out. Will it be an easy walk over for the CFC, or will White Noise bog down the American lead invasion in a guerilla war? Join up now and find out! Old accounts can sign up for a month for only 9.95. If you want a 60 day free trial time card ask me for it - I have one spare.

Coup d'etat.

xXDeathXx and Solar Fleet are currently at war with each other.

So I read on Kugu, and WN has Horus which basically means they're screwed. The interesting question will be whether they attempt to unify against an external force or just fragment.

And if they do lose or fragment that would leave goons/CFC and PL as the dominant super-powers which is sort of scary.

Dear Sir/Madam, I would like to join your space guild.  Applied with "Doris Dents".

Some propaganda from Kugu (http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?12604-Start-the-War-Engines-Branching-out-to-Branch/page29):

I have edited it a bit and cleaned it up somewhat.

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(http://i.imgur.com/CsnbD.png)

Really ?  :awesome_for_real:

In other words, we're improving? :grin:

Op success!  :hulk_rock:

Shit, they found out the real reason I quit!  :why_so_serious:

<--- still confused

Come play and find out (my spacelord).

So today, I turned on the Youtube Beatles mix, which eventually brought along "Let it Be". Bitter vets will recognize that listening to that song inevitably leads to listening to "Little Bees". There is no way in hell I will be resubbing, but I did have a good long nostalgia-soaked think about it.

For anyone who hasn't tried it, though, I endorse this product and/or service wholeheartedly.

Do you guys still recruit?

Well that's a bump. >_>

Don't worry.  It's not cancer.

Yeah, I know, right?  I feel like I'm that guy that had to work late and I'm getting to the party when the keg is down to the swill, all the girls are passed out, and there are just a couple blacked-out guys sitting around mumbling about pizza.  I figured this was a long shot, but I thought I'd give it a try.  Bat Country probably doesn't even come here anymore.  Oh well, we'll see.

We still recruit.

But applications that happen less than 24 hours after registration and with 2 of your 3 posts bumping an eve thread that's been silent for 18 months are just going to result in an awkward moment.

Or not. I have studiously avoided any responsibility whatsoever in my 5 years playing eve so I certainly don't decide these things.

If you are a spy I'd suggest posting in politics for a while. Or make a post explaining why mechs are superior to tanks. Alternatively a treatise on the impact of PvP on MMOG subscription numbers is always good. With charts.

If the guy is an honest-to-newbie then he probably doesn't understand how important it is to filter out spies. I suggest that he should join a corp.  Check out the official EVE forum and look for one that specializes in training newbies.  That way you make some friends while you learn this crazily difficult game.  Post on F13 for a while and then ask again in a few months and you'll have a better chance.

Seriously though. Join a corps. Soloing in this game is dire.

Half of bat country is people kicked put of enemy corps for spying. I'd guess half them are probably spying on us. Stopping spies is near impossible.

But everyone looks like an idiot if you turn out to be bruschettas after joining the forum solely for corp access. (Free bruschettas)

Wow, this is like a job interview.  "Come back when you have more experience."  Fair enough, I guess.  I just didn't want to get too involved with one corp and then switch later and seem like a traitor.  I wanted to just start out in a corp that I liked from the beginning.  But it sounds like I might be getting in over my head here with all this spy stuff and what not.  

I've been playing Eve now for about a month.  I signed up in August.   I got accepted into the training corp of one group, but I didn't really like my avatar (I just sort of threw something together to start playing) and again, I wasn't sure if I would like the group long term, so that's when I started looking at other corps and discovered Bat Country.  Like I said in a different thread, I was just really drawn to the corp name since it references Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.  I figured there would be some like-minded people in the corp.  Also, I read the recruitment post at the beginning of this thread and it sounded like Bat Country would be a lot of fun. 

The only things I know so far are the basics of flying around in Eve, a cursory understanding of tackling and using my directional scanner, and that's about it.

Well, from the security point of view, the game is different from other MMO's in that:

- Any newbie can potentially steal the whole guild bank, fucking Bat Country over big time.

- Anyone can spy on PVP channels and tell the enemy, and not just spy but also actively bring the enemy on top of the fleet at a moment when we're unprepared.

- The game is ALL about epeen, killboard stats, bragging, backstabbing and betrayals, you're with us or against us, everyone is a spy, that kind of stuff.  Wars are started just because someone is bored, or wants to be richer, or has been insulted by smack talk, or just because why not.  It's about PVP performance, "we don't care about your shit excuses," figure stuff out yourself and just do it, that's the type of game it is.

- You're not a unique snowflake or special in any way.  To you, this looks like an interview, but to be blunt do you have any killboard stats?  A history of at least trying PVP and not being useless?  Anything that you've accomplished that's better than us just using an alt to fly the extra ship we may need in a fleet op?  Because the alt is less of a spy than a random person asking to join.

- Bat Country isn't a newbie training corp.  EVE University is, and Brave Newbies, Rifterlings, or other PVP groups are newbie-friendly enough that they'll accept newbies and teach them combat.  You may want Bat Country, but their fleet ops involve the bigger / advanced ships that you won't be able to fly for at least a few months, and fleet coordination and tactics that they expect you to already know from the above-mentioned training corps.

- Nobody cares if you join and leave other corps.  "I left them because they sucked at PVP and I wanted a better experience, and to learn from someone who didn't suck" or just "because they sucked" are the best excuses to explain a longer corp history, especially if you have PVP kills and deaths that show that you improved at the game in the process.

- You can't create the perfect character.  You didn't like your avatar, that's fine, but what happens if you mis-click and shoot someone and get a negative sec status?  What if you refuse a mission and get negative faction standings?  What if you don't like your name anymore?  What if you get a bounty placed on you?  If you're going to restart whenever the smallest blemish hits your character, this game will burn you out.  The way to fun in this game is to jump in and DO all the "wrong" things.  Piracy is fun and is PVP.  Pull a smart scam and win a cool billion, shows you're intelligent.  Shoot the target even if it lowers your sec. means you're with the team you're with no matter what.  And so on.

If you are an earnest EVE newbie then you really need to join/stay in one of the training corps, they do a good job at helping you not suck.  Nobody that plays EVE is going to trust you, probably ever. Post here (Meaning post around the entire forum but, avoid the Politics Forum) for a while and contribute to show where your motivation is, and then laugh while everyone points and calls you a spy when you try to join again.  Keep repeating latter process until they are tired of harassing you and you have actually figured out what you want from EVE.

Edit: Oh yeah I almost forgot...SPY!!!!!

Edit 2: Oh yeah, if any of this process makes you butthurt, you will NEVER fit in.

You're not really considered a "traitor" for switching corps in EvE.  Only exception might be the corps that start on message boards like something awful and reddit.  Corps come and go, merge, dissolve, re-merge, splinter and get disbanded by spies.    Most pilot employment histories, which you can view in game, are over a page long as they bounce from one corp, back to the newbie corp, then to a different corp.  There are corps specifically geared just to train you so that you can go off into a bigger corp.  I don't know if that EvE university corp still exists, I think they got scammed by a spy.

If you decide to join a 0.0 pvp corp your decisions will follow you though, if you join one side of a conflict the other side and all their friends will have a dim view of you if you ever want to switch to them after they crush your alliance.

Since this thread is active, I'll drop in a brief "small world" anecdote:

Last weekend I was watching TheMittani.com's EVE Twitch stream. DaBigRedBoat (IIRC) was leading a stealth bomber op. At one point he opened a killmail, and I happened to note the victim's corp was "Bat Country."

Shoot blues every day!


I'm pretty sure I never learned to use my directional scanner in the three years I played Eve. You may be overqualified for Bat Country.

You need to get an avatar, by the way. That's taken into account when applications are considered.

Can I add here that Eve is the best MMO and Bat Country is the best corp in Eve, so you should probably all play Eve and join Bat Country.

Wait, you need an avatar?  I do not want a new one!  My EVE comeback is ruined!


Eve is 2 or 3 different games.  You can mull about in high sec running missions and mining with little risk(PvE).  You can throw your hat in with the serious business 0.0 crowd and the risk goes up (PvP).  Outside that you can build things or play spreadsheet market.  Just be aware that EVE is populated by malicious manchildren who delight in your slightest discomfort. 

EVE is also a terrible game that will burn you out rapidly if you do not find a serious goal or find a place to fit in.  Trust no one.  Also, hello spy! 

                DUDE (Junkogen)
        Come on, man, I'm not trying to scam
        anybody here, I'm just--

                LEBOWSKI (Bat Country)
        You're just looking for a handout
        like every other--are you employed,
        Mr. Lebowski?

                DUDE
        Look, let me explain something.  
        I'm not Mr. Lebowski;  you're Mr.
        Lebowski.  I'm the Dude.  So that's  
        what  you  call me.  That, or Duder.
        His  Dudeness.  Or El Duderino, if,  
        you know, you're not into the whole
        brevity thing--

                LEBOWSKI
        Are you employed, spy?

                DUDE
        Employed?

                LEBOWSKI
        You don't go out and make a living
        dressed like that in the middle of a
        weekday.

                DUDE
        Is this a--what day is this?

Obvious spy is obvious.

That was probably from the Vile Rat Memorial Not Purple, Shoot It op.  Basically everyone not in your fleet was fair game for a few hours.

Locking this. Reason coming in Eve forum.