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Reply #1295 on: May 31, 2017, 08:51:46 AM

The main problem with ESPN is their ratings don't match up with the costs they paid to keep FOX and the like out of their nest in the live sports broadcast business.

The secondary problem is the internet exists, and highlight shows are pointless because I can get every highlight I want on demand now instead of waiting to watch some talking head spit it out. The sportscenter model was fine, but now they have no idea what they want to do with it. They have been tied to it forever, so they are trying to "rebrand" them (see the 6PM version with Jemele and Michael) so they can keep one toe in the past while trying to shift to the future.

The reason you see all these human interest stories is because you've already seen the highlights, and you can get the scores on your phone. ESPN is trying to figure out a way to get content into Sportscenter you haven't seen yet, and they simply don't know how to do that without losing their base and turning into the social news network as it mildly relates to sports or TMZ for Sports.

Back to this topic... John Clayton got canned.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-clayton-out-at-espn/

Seriously wtf is going on over there. Someone is going to stockpile these guys on a new channel.

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Reply #1296 on: May 31, 2017, 09:24:09 AM

He was one of the few writers over there on the NFL beat that I thought was worth a shit.

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Reply #1297 on: May 31, 2017, 10:43:52 AM

Unfortunately, relegation will NEVER happen in the US. Can you imagine telling a US billionaire owner that his team has to play in the scrub league next season because he didn't invest enough to build a winner (or even mid-table team)?

That's what I think takes so much away from US sports. Not having the constant up and down and changing appearance of the European Soccer leagues. It's just infinitely more drama and excitement.

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Reply #1298 on: May 31, 2017, 11:55:55 AM

Yes, with relegation, losing has CONSEQUENCES, and those are swift and economic in nature. The owners rightly fear their team sucking ass.

Whereas in the NFL, teams can blow goats for decades at a time and continue to make stupid profits. See Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys, or the Cleveland Browns forever.

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Reply #1299 on: May 31, 2017, 12:47:51 PM

Yes, with relegation, losing has CONSEQUENCES, and those are swift and economic in nature. The owners rightly fear their team sucking ass.

Whereas in the NFL, teams can blow goats for decades at a time and continue to make stupid profits. See Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys, or the Cleveland Browns forever.

HEY! we might win 5-6 games this year. Or maybe next year, but definitely 2019.


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Reply #1300 on: May 31, 2017, 01:35:58 PM

Ironic how American sports are quite socialist in their nature.

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Reply #1301 on: May 31, 2017, 02:09:06 PM

Ironic how American sports are quite socialist in their nature.

With powerful unions even and evenly shared profits.

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Reply #1302 on: June 01, 2017, 12:41:29 PM

Ironic how American sports are quite socialist in their nature.

With powerful unions even and evenly shared profits.

Absolutely, the game is completely rigged and relegation is as likely as the US getting rid of the electoral college.

That's why the Cleveland Browns are allowed to exist. In Europe the Browns would have long ago been relegated to that team that plays on the village square between the school field day and the pensioners parade.

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Reply #1303 on: June 01, 2017, 12:49:15 PM

That's why the Cleveland Browns are allowed to exist. In Europe the Browns would have long ago been relegated to that team that plays on the village square between the school field day and the pensioners parade.

I don't know, I think the Browns would actually benefit from a divisional system with relegation as they - just like the Raiders during their drought period - have some very loyal fans who are in it more for all the other reasons than the record. There's one of those "has-beens" with a rabid fan base that actually grew after relegation in every 2nd league in Soccer. They are often seen as more 'pure' than the big juggernauts and sell just as much merch domestically.

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Reply #1304 on: June 01, 2017, 02:55:54 PM

No no, the Browns would find a way to fuck up any goodwill they'd have by the time they hit relegation #2.

They should be playing in a south Texas field somewhere, not the NFL. Actually South Texas might be too tough.

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Reply #1305 on: September 26, 2017, 07:25:55 PM

Louisville is completely fucked.  And Kansas better hope their shit is in order, because I have a feeling the feds will be coming for them too.  And all the Nike schools better hope that they run a better hustle than Adidas.   Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #1306 on: September 26, 2017, 07:48:27 PM

Seems like a number of schools are fucked.
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Reply #1307 on: September 27, 2017, 09:01:06 AM

Good. College basketball has been absolute trash for the last decade under the one and done draft rules. I'd say blow the whole damn thing up and start over.

These players coming out of one and done haven't even been good. Here's a list of those coming out of their Freshman year:

Tyrus Thomas
Shawne Williams
Greg Oden
Kevin Durant
Al Horford

Mike Conley
Brandon Wright
Spencer Hawes
Thaddius Young
Javaris Crittenton
Daequan Cook
Derrick Rose
Michael Beasley
OJ Mayo
Kevin Love
Eric Gordan
Jerryd Bayless
Anthony Randolph
JJ Hickson
Kosta Koufos
Donte Green
Deandre Jordan
Bill Walker
Tyreke Evans
DeMar DeRozen
Jrue Holiday

Byron Mullens
John Wall
Derek Favors
DeMarcus Cousins
Xavier Henry
Eric Bledsoe
Avery Bradley
Daniel Orton
Hassan Whiteside
Lance Stephenson
Tiny Gallon

And that's just from 2006 to 2010. It gets even worse beyond that. I bolded the All-Stars in the group.


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Reply #1308 on: September 27, 2017, 10:17:24 AM

TIL: there is a guy in the NBA named Tiny Gallon.  awesome, for real

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Reply #1309 on: September 27, 2017, 07:32:07 PM

Man, the local paper in Champaign (which gets most of its subscriptions and page views by baiting the racists around town with stories that paint the University of Illinois in a bad light) is going nuts about the fact that one of Underwood's former assistants from when he was at Oklahoma State surrendered to the FBI yesterday.

Underwood hasn't even coached a game yet at Illinois  why so serious?

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Reply #1310 on: September 27, 2017, 08:26:14 PM

Rumor is that Arizona will lose its entire 2018 recruiting class.   Sad Panda

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Reply #1311 on: October 09, 2017, 08:27:28 PM

Cavaliers have actually assembled a pretty bad ass starting five.  Maybe they can make a serious run at the Warriors this year.
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Reply #1312 on: December 19, 2017, 06:17:06 AM

In other news England sucks at cricket.  why so serious? why so serious? why so serious? why so serious?

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Reply #1313 on: January 03, 2018, 06:58:54 PM

It's all part of India's plan to non-violently stick in the queen mum's ass.
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Reply #1314 on: February 24, 2018, 01:01:44 AM

Rumor is that Arizona will lose its entire 2018 recruiting class.   Sad Panda

 ACK! This keeps getting worse and worse. Provided this crap is true, Miller and Ayton are gone. And as an added bonus, Trier got busted for PEDs.

I doubt Arizona wins another game this season. 

On a personal note, this sucks too. My son is good friends with one of the assistant coaches' kids.


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Reply #1315 on: February 24, 2018, 02:50:50 PM

College basketball was already fucked. This will actually be a good thing in my mind. It's going to flush out the nonsense and make it about what it should be about: College kids playing ball until they are seniors. The one and done shit needs to get fucked. There's an NBA D-league for that reason.

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Reply #1316 on: April 05, 2018, 10:32:02 AM

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Reply #1317 on: April 05, 2018, 10:42:13 AM

DILLY DILLY!

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Reply #1318 on: April 09, 2018, 08:01:38 PM

Pretty great Masters finish.  I love that Reed is such an asshole.  Makes things more interesting. 
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Reply #1319 on: May 28, 2018, 03:16:18 PM

I hate to admit it, but Lebron James is the greatest basketball player of all time.  Getting this year's Cavs to finals again proved it.
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Reply #1320 on: May 28, 2018, 10:54:41 PM

Maybe, but the minute where it looked like we might get a Houston - Boston championship was much more interesting than Cleveland - Golden State round 4.
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Reply #1321 on: May 28, 2018, 11:03:51 PM

I'd rather see the star power of GS versus Cleveland, myself.  Harden is good, but I think he doesn't have what it takes to bring a championship to a team by himself.
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Reply #1322 on: May 29, 2018, 12:16:09 PM

I hate to admit it, but Lebron James is the greatest basketball player of all time.  Getting this year's Cavs to finals again proved it.

Agreed. But he's now so tired, I don't see how it can be anything but Warriors in 5. They'll give Cleveland a home game win simply because the NBA won't allow a sweep. They'll pay off anybody and everybody to get at least a 5th game of TV pop.

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Reply #1323 on: May 29, 2018, 05:48:20 PM

And after all that it was the Celtics that blew game 7 vs Lebron winning it. They kept on chucking up 3s and were stone cold (17%). Stevens didn't adjust, didn't slow the game down and let the youngsters keep clanging it. Bizarre.

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Reply #1324 on: May 29, 2018, 06:00:01 PM

I know itís probably a stupid question but please entertain my stupidity for a little while because Iím honestly curious.

How much of a team sport is basketball actually? Going by the news it feels like as if Curry, James, Jordan and others single-handedly win games for their teams. It makes it sound as if any team in the NBA could win if they had LeBron or as if Cleveland could still reach the play offs if they replaced one of their starting five with me instead as long as LeBron is fit and has a good day.

Other sports have exceptional players as well but even the Messi or Ronaldo hype in soccer doesnít reach the hype levels of LeBron James and even with Ronaldo or Messi at their most woke Barcelona or Madrid are not locked in to win everything all the time and are beaten regularly by on paper much weaker teams.

So is Basketball really a team sport when a single player can make or break a playoff win?
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Reply #1325 on: May 29, 2018, 06:34:59 PM

For as much as I know basketball, Golden State is way more than Curry... he just gets most of the facetime. I think there are like 4 western conf all-stars on that team out of the 12 that get selected from all the western teams... LeBron is what he is though.

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Reply #1326 on: May 29, 2018, 06:45:43 PM

I know itís probably a stupid question but please entertain my stupidity for a little while because Iím honestly curious.

How much of a team sport is basketball actually? Going by the news it feels like as if Curry, James, Jordan and others single-handedly win games for their teams. It makes it sound as if any team in the NBA could win if they had LeBron or as if Cleveland could still reach the play offs if they replaced one of their starting five with me instead as long as LeBron is fit and has a good day.

Other sports have exceptional players as well but even the Messi or Ronaldo hype in soccer doesnít reach the hype levels of LeBron James and even with Ronaldo or Messi at their most woke Barcelona or Madrid are not locked in to win everything all the time and are beaten regularly by on paper much weaker teams.

So is Basketball really a team sport when a single player can make or break a playoff win?

Here's the true answer. You cannot win by just having Lebron James go out there with a bunch of scrubs. You need what we would call "role-players" on the team (a defensive guy, an offensive 3 point specialist, a big man or enforcer, etc.)

However, you CANNOT win without having one superstar player. It just doesn't work. The talent of the superstar will absolutely elevate an average team to a serious contender. It will make a good team into a champion. But a good team has no shot without the Superstar, and that's why you're seeing Golden State play against Lebron for the 4th year in a row.

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Reply #1327 on: May 29, 2018, 06:51:14 PM

I know itís probably a stupid question but please entertain my stupidity for a little while because Iím honestly curious.

How much of a team sport is basketball actually? Going by the news it feels like as if Curry, James, Jordan and others single-handedly win games for their teams. It makes it sound as if any team in the NBA could win if they had LeBron or as if Cleveland could still reach the play offs if they replaced one of their starting five with me instead as long as LeBron is fit and has a good day.

Other sports have exceptional players as well but even the Messi or Ronaldo hype in soccer doesnít reach the hype levels of LeBron James and even with Ronaldo or Messi at their most woke Barcelona or Madrid are not locked in to win everything all the time and are beaten regularly by on paper much weaker teams.
Well if you mean do individual players in basketball have a greater impact on their team success (or failure) than other major team sports then I would say yes given the fact that's it's a 5 on 5 game which is fewer players than the others. Hockey is close at 6 on 6 (including the goalies) but hockey players have to be constantly rotated because it's so tiring where in basketball a player could potentially play the entire game without being substituted. I.e. a top hockey player might be on the ice for maybe half the game while LeBron will be playing for basically the entire game. Football and the other football are 11 on 11.

On the other hand something like baseball is kind of a weird game where typically only a handful of players are involved in the action at any given time and the rest are literally just standing around whereas in basketball even with LeBron he still needs the other 4 players on his team to be doing *something* most of the time (ignoring freethrows and the like) otherwise you'll have multiple defender swarming LeBron on every shot.

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So is Basketball really a team sport when a single player can make or break a playoff win?
Well hockey has the hot goalie syndrome during playoffs and in baseball hot pitchers can basically guarantee their team 2 (or even 3) wins in a series (as long as their team can score at least 1 run). So I don't think basketball is unique in that regard.
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Reply #1328 on: May 30, 2018, 05:46:43 PM

In hockey, it's more like 20 minutes or so for top forwards, 24-26 minutes for top defenseman. And then that time is broken up into tiny pieces throughout the game, so even then top players only have a small window to have an impact on the game when on the ice.

How drafts affect a team can be telling. Edmonton and Buffalo drafted fantastic, generational talents a few years ago, but the teams are still garbage. However, in basketball a top draft pick can have an immediate and dramatic impact.

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Reply #1329 on: June 01, 2018, 10:05:45 AM

Has basketball abolished the huge displays where you can see the current game score? Asking for Cleveland.
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