Mists of Pandaria

[Ingmar]

If we can pick Trade Prince Gallywix then I take back all my objections.

[Paelos]

Maybe Jaina will teleport us all away before we can finish things off again.

Cutting that bitch's head off in public would be a hoorah moment for the Alliance.

[Simond]

Lor'themar for Warchief!  

[Azazel]

Did they really already confirm the last raid? I mean, I figure they could actually keep that a surprise for once since there WAS no focal villain. Strange we'd actually kill Garrosh too, since the whole 1-60 experience horde-side shows Garrosh as being obsessed with honor/fair fights despite being a hotheaded asshole. He executes one of his own generals for atrocities, and flat out despises Sylvanas which makes him smarter than Thrall.

Yeah, this was always my perception of him as well. They might pull a "what a twist!" and have the Alliance commit the war crimes and fool everyone into blaming Garrosh. Because Warcraft needs more Katyn, dammit! Right?

[Azazel]

Pass.

Okay. This. I've just been going by the ingame stuff about Garrosh. I have too much to do (and proper stuff to read) before paying for a WoW pulp-novel. Are they as "good" as Star Wars ones?

[Merusk]

No.  The closest they get is the original Thrawn trilogy and even those are wank.

[Fordel]

If the alliance 'commits war crimes' and is held accountable while all the horse shit the horde pulls just keeps on keeping... yea I don't see how that would be better at all.

[El Gallo]

Clearly, they should have Varian gas a town of panda orphans and replace it with a camp full of gnome soldiers wearing pandaskin loincloths so allies will have everlasting proof of their faction's awesome accomplishments and impact on the game world.

More seriously, seems kind of dumb to reveal that we'll be killing Garrosh sometime in 2014 since it kills any suspense and gets the whine train rolling years in advance (including from me, as I assume this means I get to wear my wotlk-issue jackboots all expansion to set it up).  Basically everything else about the expansion seems promising, so long as the world bosses aren't particularly important.

[Fordel]

Well that's the other thing, there totally going to use Garrosh as a "It wasn't the Horde, it was GARROSH's Doing!" and the horde gets to wipe their hands clean of it all... again...

[Lakov_Sanite]

Alliance "All you horde act like oppressed victims when all you do it hurt us!"

Orc players "We expect to invade your world, slaughter thousands and then have you just accept we're better...except the undead, ignore them"

Undead players "Well, yeah...we're evil, suck it"

Meanwhile the tauren are off somewhere smoking weed, damn hippies.

It's really refreshing to see how heated people are about this game even so many years after release.

[Fabricated]

It'd be kinda cool if the Alliance actually did something, you know, permanent to the horde insofar as the actual game world is concerned. Alliance shit is basically blown up forever in the game world, but Horde? Nah, you get to instance that shit, and the horde really didn't seem to mind it anyway.

[Kail]

It's really refreshing to see how heated people are about this game even so many years after release.

I dunno about refreshing, page after page of this martyr schtick is getting disturbing.  I'm half expecting to turn on the evening news to see some guy in a blue space goat mask climbing a water tower with a high powered rifle crying "WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME, METZEN, WHYYYYYYYY"

[apocrypha]

All you people whining about Horde bias play Alliance yeah?

See, this is why you think there is a Horde bias. Because the Horde aren't a bunch of whining pussies who obsess over stupid lore points that were written by a brain-damaged marmoset on prescription meds. The Alliance just make themselves look bad!







(That's a joke btw. I have to say that, it's Internety2012).

[Azazel]

No.  The closest they get is the original Thrawn trilogy and even those are wank.

So the WoW books are worse than SW books? 

[Sjofn]

Undead players "Well, yeah...we're evil, suck it"

I rarely hear undead say this. They usually say that they're "grey" at worst.

PS: For most of Cataclysm, I played Horde. I still think it was hilariously biased towards Horde in the FUCK YEAH sense. Moral highground doesn't do much for a side when they constantly lose anyway.

[Merusk]

No.  The closest they get is the original Thrawn trilogy and even those are wank.

So the WoW books are worse than SW books? 

I've only read the one book you got for free by preordering WOTLK, so I don't know if that's the case for all of them.  That one was pretty lousy over-all, but it's pulp fantasy like the SW books are pulp Sci-fi.   I'll say that some SW books (Truce at Bakura, Crystal Star) are much worse than the War of the Ancients book.   There's been a discussion of this before in the book thread in General.

[Hutch]

Undead players "Well, yeah...we're evil, suck it"

I rarely hear undead say this. They usually say that they're "grey" at worst.

Yeah. In LK I quested through Howling Fjord and Dragonblight, and the Forsaken are giving me quests to obtain reagents and test out plague canisters, and I'm all "la dee da xp and lewts for me". But then the Wrathgate happened, and I realized "wait these fuckers are evil, how are the Horde still allied with them?" Or, "with us", depending on which alt I was playing.

(I know, I know, the answer is "because a ton of people still have Forsaken characters, and they probably didn't sign up for evil, and it would be a major upheaval to split them off into a third faction")

(edit: learn to spell)

[Fabricated]

I don't think Blizzard really thought ahead with the Forsaken.

I mean, it's just everyone Arthas killed in his hometown. Basically part of a Kingdom's worth of people or so? Not exactly self-sustaining either. Thus they pulled the thing out of their asses where Sylvanas inherits the Val'nyr from Arthas for some reason, and they suddenly have the ability to create new Forsaken from people they kill.

...which makes no sense since I thought the fucking goals of the Forsaken were 1)Kill the fucker who turned them into undead monstrosities (check), and 2)Find a way to become living again.

[Fabricated]

Also here's some more lolore from the MoP stuff.

Lore Figures
Vol'jin will make an appearance at some point during the expansion.
Blizzard has talked about turning Jaina's hair all white because of the shock, and her becoming this very violent and dangerous mage.
Garrosh has become corrupted and has been doing some really nasty things beneath Orgrimmar.
There may be a Labours of Hercules style quest chain that you do for Varian to show you more of the story and let you get to know him better.

Ahahah, if Garrosh is being corrupted by an old god I'm gonna laugh my ass off.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Really, they've gone to the old god well WAY too many times.

[Fabricated]

Is there a main story arc in WoW that doesn't involve corruption of some sort?

I think maybe Zul'Aman is it. Zul'Jin was just really fucking honked off about the Trolls joining the same faction as the blood elves and he was building an army to fuck the world up...at which point some random assholes searching for treasure showed up and killed him. Oh well!

[Merusk]

You heard it here first, folks.  Next X-pac, kill Jaina! (Also being corrupted by an old god!)

[Ironwood]

Passe.

I killed Jaina tons of times in the latest dungeons.

 

[Lakov_Sanite]

Passe.

I killed Jaina tons of times in the latest dungeons.

 

I can never kill Tyrande enough....never.

[Miasma]

I like most all of the changes, not the pandas themselves but I'll get over it.  The screenshots are looking nice, like a whole bunch of zones based on Nagrand, the bestest of zones.

[Rasix]

I did love me some Nagrand.  Pandas sure look fucking dumb, however.  Males less so than the dwarven furverts.

LOLORE discussion.  You guys.. 

[Sheepherder]

But nobody ever really dies.

Except in stupid novels.

And Warcraft III.

LOLORE wasn't quite so bad in vanilla.  Less pop culture references, less recurring characters, less Thrall Facetome updates.

[FieryBalrog]

I'm impressed how much people still get worked up over WoW lore.

I treat it like MtG. There are snippets of good stuff there in the "flavor text" (like the Ulduar stuff), but the ongoing plots and characters and whatnot can generally jump off a cliff for all I care. Too much always has to be sacrificed for videogame mechanics, even if Blizzard had the writing talent, which they don't.

[Ingmar]

WoW wishes it was in the same league as the Craw Wurm flavor text.

[Simond]

Hey, it could be worse.

[Azazel]

I did love me some Nagrand.  Pandas sure look fucking dumb, however.  Males less so than the dwarven furverts.

LOLORE discussion.  You guys.. 

I'll go with that. Always liked Nagrand. It's the only zone (aside from part of Hellfire) that I don't entirely skip when running through TBC.

[Sjofn]

WoW wishes it was in the same league as the Craw Wurm flavor text.

SO hot for you right now. 

[Simond]

http://www.fluffyfrenchy.com/?p=73

A lot of you keep asking, let’s try to answer.

The Mists of Pandaria Beta is “soon” as far as I know. I don’t mean “probably in a month” soon. I mean that if Blizzard is still following their original plan, you will most likely see it this week. If it’s not this week, it will be the next one. I don’t think any Friends & Family Alpha will be involved this time, however, Blizzard employees are still able to invite people as far as I know.

Stay fluffy.

[Fordel]

Well they have like a million guaranteed testers or whatever with the 1year plan, right?

[Lakov_Sanite]

You know, I don't get the hating on female pandas. I mean of course they look like furry dwarves, what else could they look like, the males with tits? that is a whole new level of fugly even the female tauren can't match.  Yeah there are furries out there but should we intentionally make them unappealing? Maybe other bestial races shouldn't look cute or hot but cmon...they're pandas, even in nature they don't look very menacing.  Male Draenei are much more worthy of scorn imo, they don't even look possible.