Battleship

[WindupAtheist]

Indeed. And I still think that a chunk of metal fired at mach 10 makes for a really shitty artillery piece. I am way to lazy to even try to figure out the physics behind this, but the high speed and generally very flat trajectory of such a gun are really not suited for artillery engagements. You would either be able to vaporzie anything that comes in line of sight or anything in a rather small area way beyond the horizon. Or not ?

Nobody anywhere in the fucking world has EVER EVER EVER talked about putting railguns on naval vessels as direct-fire weapons. You really need to quit talking out of your goddamned asshole without even bothering to do the tiniest bit of elementary googling.

Destro-scaled railguns are only prototypicial, and as you've hopefully read it puts the small ships on their knees just with the single cannon, and this is with the scaled-down version.  Later versions will fire shells at twice the speed at 50% more power required.  Sure, you may see some super-secret prototype sitting on a destroyer, but it was always considered a futureweapon that a capital ship would be needed to fire.  A nuclear-powered carrier or refit battleship....  maybe a refit Aegic Cruiser, etc.

Sigh.

1) The Popular Mechanics article that was linked talks about how existing destroyers could power the hypothetical full-scale version, not the half-power version they have now. How about YOU try reading it, wiseass?

2) The fact that firing the gun would require the ship to slow down briefly probably isn't a big deal since artillery bombardment isn't something that's usually conducted at speed anyway.

3) Barrel heating is going to be an infinitely larger problem than power generation when it comes to maintaining a given rate of fire, so in all likelihood a ship that carried multiple railguns would be firing them in sequence rather than simultaneously anyway.

4) At most all of your bullshit is an argument for better generators. Nobody is going to build a fucking neo-battleship twice as long, five times as heavy, and ten times as expensive just so they can fire all their guns at once.

Fuck off.

[Merusk]

But...

but what if it had legs?

[MuffinMan]

This thread is turning out much better than I ever expected.

[Trippy]

This isn't Politics. Some of you need to stop posting like it is.

[WindupAtheist]

Does that mean I should quit telling people to suck my dick? Because I don't really do that in Politics. I save it for important debates about WoW lore and railguns.

[Der Helm]

Nobody anywhere in the fucking world has EVER EVER EVER talked about putting railguns on naval vessels as direct-fire weapons. You really need to quit talking out of your goddamned asshole without even bothering to do the tiniest bit of elementary googling.

Are you out of your mind ? Bad day at work ? Usually you are funny, but right now you come across ... a little bit... unhinged.

[Mrbloodworth]

From guessing, the connection to the battleship game is 2 things. The bubble defines the play area. The ships are squared off directly oppose each other. I'm some ways, this may be a cool move long ship battle.

[Der Helm]

From guessing, the connection to the battleship game is 2 things. The bubble defines the play area. The ships are squared off directly oppose each other. I'm some ways, this may be a cool movie long ship battle.

One side firing a single barrage at a single location, then the other side does the same ? Sure. Give me 90 minutes of that. 

[Trippy]

Does that mean I should quit telling people to suck my dick? Because I don't really do that in Politics. I save it for important debates about WoW lore and railguns.

Yes.

[Ghambit]

From guessing, the connection to the battleship game is 2 things. The bubble defines the play area. The ships are squared off directly oppose each other. I'm some ways, this may be a cool move long ship battle.

Predator with ships?

[WindupAtheist]

I have no meaningful response, therefore I will now act like WUA saying "goddamn" and "fuck" in an argument concerning a trivial topic is a new thing!

Ok.

[Der Helm]

I have no meaningful response, therefore I will now act like WUA saying "goddamn" and "fuck" in an argument concerning a trivial topic is a new thing!

Ok.

Don't do that. It's rude.

Also, I don't really see the "argument", hence my suprised reaction. As far as I can tell the "argument" went like this.

WUA: Fuck Battleships. Battleships suck. Fuck them all.
Someone else: But they were used quite recently, the still might have its uses.
WUA: NO! RAILGUNS!
me.. somewhat later: Railguns (should they actually be produced some time in the future) make for a shitty artillery replacements and this is why I think that.
WUA: [postal]
me:

[Margalis]

Guys, this mechs vs tanks bullshit stopped being amusing over a year ago. It was a funny gimmick for a while but that time has LONG since passed.

[Der Helm]

Guys, this mechs vs tanks bullshit stopped being amusing over a year ago. It was a funny gimmick for a while but that time has LONG since passed.

Damm. I was feeding the troll, wasn't I ? Sorry.

[calapine]

ok, guys, 2 things

a) stupid internet nerdfight

The closest real world example would be Zumwalt class destroyers, which currently run at a price of US$ 3.5bn per ship. That's before product cost-overruns. For a destroyer.
If you heard about recent the financial woes - if not, I'd recommend: MahrinSkel, Morat et al. (2011). Time to bury the gold: Barclay's Declares Meltdown Imminent. TheInterwebs: F13 Publishing as introductory read - it should be clear that there will be no monster-railgun-wetdream-super-battleships.

b) stupid film

The comments in the trailer are surprisingly negative. If even the youtube-hivemind figures out its being sold a turd that should be a warning sign for producers.

Cala

Edit: Also, Wua: I am just going over my IETF RFC 1855-Netiquette Guidelines (October 1995) (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855) and I think you are violating some (most) recommendations. Especially section 2.1 and following.

[WindupAtheist]

stuff

You: I THINK A THING!
Me: You're utterly wrong, it's right in that article linked in this thread.
You: NO BUT REALLY!
Me: Well fuck you then.

Anyway, the buzz for this movie is predictably terrible. The IMDB forums are a great place to spot moles trying to fabricate a positive spin, but the most I've seen is one lonely post about "Oh boy Skarsgard and Neeson in one movie!" If there are any studio moles at work, they're being drowned out by "How about a Connect Four movie?! LOOOL!"

[Trippy]

stuff

You: I THINK A THING!
Me: You're utterly wrong, it's right in that article linked in this thread.
You: NO BUT REALLY!
Me: Well fuck you then.

Temp banned for 3 days. Anybody else want to keep fucking up this thread?

[Ingmar]

IETF RFC 1855-Netiquette Guidelines (October 1995) (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855) and I think you are violating some (most) recommendations. Especially section 2.1 and following.

I love that there is an RFC for that.

[Teleku]

Bets on how long before he actually comes back again this time?

Though I'm not sure its actually possible to fuck up a thread about this horrible looking of a movie.   

[Sheepherder]

Jellicoe correctly arranged his fleet slightly away from the german fleet initially (for which he was critisised later as not conforming to the aggressive spirit of the royal navy) and then watched Sheer sail into him. Sheer turned his fleet around and sailed off, then turned back around as he had no idea what had just happened. This resulted in the second crossing of the T upon which Sheer about turned and sailed off.

I dug out the history books, and I stand corrected.  Jellicoe was also lambasted for not pursuing Sheer, who had covered his retreat with a torpedo barrage.

Predator with ships?

That was sort of my initial impression.  What a terrible premise.

[KallDrexx]

One side firing a single barrage at a single location, then the other side does the same ? Sure. Give me 90 minutes of that. 

Is that worse than spending 95 minutes of a guy in a box 

[Mrbloodworth]

From guessing, the connection to the battleship game is 2 things. The bubble defines the play area. The ships are squared off directly oppose each other. I'm some ways, this may be a cool movie long ship battle.

One side firing a single barrage at a single location, then the other side does the same ? Sure. Give me 90 minutes of that. 

Ha ha!

But really, I think this is mostly going to be a CG fest, with some tacked on hero drama.

[Sir T]

Plot speculation after looking at the trailer again #7087

Hero is an asshole, but his hot girlfriend loves him
Hero is an asshole and the stick in the mud admiral hates his guts (much like the audience)
Hey look its a naval exercise
Hero is a moron and turns on Alien wargame
Alien wargame drones fire fake wargame weapons at American warships
American warships use real weapons.
Real weapons > Fake weapons. Who knew?
AMERICA WINS OVER ALIENS USING HARMLESS WEAPONS!
Admiral learns to love Hero as he realizes that being an asshole and a moron is what makes America great. Or something
Audience goes "Wtf?"

[UnSub]

One side firing a single barrage at a single location, then the other side does the same ? Sure. Give me 90 minutes of that. 

Is that worse than spending 95 minutes of a guy in a box 

After a movie based on a Disney theme park ride was not only successful, but spawned 3 more films, I'm not so quick to say films based on odd IPs are going to automatically fail.

[Margalis]

Plot speculation after looking at the trailer again #7087

Hero is an asshole, but his hot girlfriend loves him
Hero is an asshole and the stick in the mud admiral hates his guts (much like the audience)
Hey look its a naval exercise
Hero is a moron and turns on Alien wargame
Alien wargame drones fire fake wargame weapons at American warships
American warships use real weapons.
Real weapons > Fake weapons. Who knew?
AMERICA WINS OVER ALIENS USING HARMLESS WEAPONS!
Admiral learns to love Hero as he realizes that being an asshole and a moron is what makes America great. Or something
Audience goes "Wtf?"

Sounds like Green Lantern on a ship.

[Sand]

Bets on how long before he actually comes back again this time?

Though I'm not sure its actually possible to fuck up a thread about this horrible looking of a movie.   

Is it the heat wave making people act funny?

And this movie looks HORRID. 

[TheWalrus]

I'm excited about the film adaptation of Cooties.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I'm excited about the film adaptation of Cooties.

That was already made, they changed the name to Philadelphia.

[Ghambit]

I'm excited about the film adaptation of Cooties.

[Teleku]

An Oliver Stone version of Monopoly!

[Ingmar]

The inevitable crossover movie, Chutes & Ladders & Aliens & Predator.

[stu]

Darren Aronofsky's Stratego

[Mazakiel]

[UnSub]

Chris Nolan's Guess Who.

[Minvaren]

Tim Burton's Life.