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naum
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Still puzzling over NFL rule change to move kickoff to 35 yard line.
Yeah, the deafening clamor for more touchbacks.
It's a safety thing, along with limiting the running start by the kicking team to only five yards. I don't know if it those were the superior options over 25yd touchbacks and killing wedges off entirely, but it's progress. Had to happen. The NFL is fighting concussions on too many fronts, and bad injuries due to kickoffs were high on that list. Is it boring? Yeah. But it also provides for some strategy by your special teams units if you want to catch people off guard. If kickoff returns are such a safety issue, then just plant the ball on the 20 (or 30 or 35 or whatever) and forego the touchback play. What about punt returns? Hey, I am all in favor getting rid of kickers -- it's an appendage that should be scuttled. |
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Paelos
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Because if you just put it on the 20 you have no option to run it out late in the game, or onside kick, or pooch kick, or other strategic plays when it matters.
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naum
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Still puzzling over NFL rule change to move kickoff to 35 yard line.
Yeah, the deafening clamor for more touchbacks.
It's a safety thing, along with limiting the running start by the kicking team to only five yards. I don't know if it those were the superior options over 25yd touchbacks and killing wedges off entirely, but it's progress. Had to happen. The NFL is fighting concussions on too many fronts, and bad injuries due to kickoffs were high on that list. Is it boring? Yeah. But it also provides for some strategy by your special teams units if you want to catch people off guard. I think the NFL competition committee should start looking into the elimination of tackling. Imagine the impact that would have on the number of injuries. |
"Should the batman kill Joker because it would save more lives?" is a fundamentally different question from "should the batman have a bunch of machineguns that go BATBATBATBATBAT because its totally cool?". ~Goumindong
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Paelos
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 Don't be obtuse. Moving the kickoff line is a small change. Especially since it's been there before in the past.
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Giants might be really, really bad this year.
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Malakili
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Don't be obtuse. Moving the kickoff line is a small change. Especially since it's been there before in the past. Kickers kick the ball farther than they used to. |
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That receiving corps is already pretty stacked with Jackson, Avant and Maclin (the latter two aren't great, but they are good enough).
Maclin almost died from an ongoing rare disease. I don't think he plays this season. |
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Nebu
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Let's not forget that Steve Smith just moved to Phili. He could have a productive season there.
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Draegan
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My Giants didn't look good at all. But since I'm a fan and I'm always optimistic, I'm going to chalk up Saturday's performance to:
They've been practicing for just a short while.
Their offensive line is a bit shuffled.
It's preseason.
I'm not that worried about the loss of Steve Smith yet. Nicks and Manningham both were able to snag 2000+ yards and a ton of TDs and each didn't start the whole year.
Our defense looked good though.
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HaemishM
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Nicks and Manningham are good but they were a lot better when they weren't the only options. If the O-line has to shuffle around, Manning is going to take a lot more pressure and we all know that's when Eli starts tossing balls to the wrong team. If the running game isn't solid, it will be a LONG year.
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I know I am salivating. The NFC East is in our hands unless Vick gets his legs broken early in the season. Tony OhNo, a hapless Redskins team and a 4 sacked a game Eli...
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gimpyone
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My Giants didn't look good at all. But since I'm a fan and I'm always optimistic, I'm going to chalk up Saturday's performance to:
They've been practicing for just a short while.
Their offensive line is a bit shuffled.
It's preseason.
I'm not that worried about the loss of Steve Smith yet. Nicks and Manningham both were able to snag 2000+ yards and a ton of TDs and each didn't start the whole year.
Our defense looked good though.
Could be worse; you could be a niners fan. |
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Paelos
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I know I am salivating. The NFC East is in our hands unless Vick gets his legs broken early in the season. Tony OhNo, a hapless Redskins team and a 4 sacked a game Eli...
I think you are going to be very disappointed. I'm not saying you won't win the division, I just don't think building your team around five free agent big names and filling the gaps with rookies or young utility talent is a recipe for success in the playoffs. |
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Cyrrex
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Just got an email from Yahoo...are we donig the obligatory Pick 'Em league again this year? I look forward to dominating all you jokers once again.
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JWIV
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Just got an email from Yahoo...are we donig the obligatory Pick 'Em league again this year? I look forward to dominating all you jokers once again.
Ask you shall receive! Invites sent to all of last years participants. Link info below for people that want to join in and play ESPN analyst. http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/pickem/register/joingroupGroup ID# 22848 Password: F13 |
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Awesome, you the man.
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Just got an email from Yahoo...are we donig the obligatory Pick 'Em league again this year? I look forward to dominating all you jokers once again.
We shall see...  |
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Ok... signed up. But as a Browns fan, I am already fucked. Someone spot me 21 pts.
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Cyrrex
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Just got an email from Yahoo...are we donig the obligatory Pick 'Em league again this year? I look forward to dominating all you jokers once again.
We shall see... I believe I am undefeated in F13 pick 'em leagues (last two years). I've even told you all my secret to victory*, yet you still manage to mess it up! *which also explains why the Browns almost always lose. |
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« Last Edit: August 17, 2011, 01:05:26 AM by Cyrrex »
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Malakili
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Nicks and Manningham are good but they were a lot better when they weren't the only options. If the O-line has to shuffle around, Manning is going to take a lot more pressure and we all know that's when Eli starts tossing balls to the wrong team. If the running game isn't solid, it will be a LONG year.
Neither of them are the kind of premier receiver that opens up the running game either in my opinion. The reason the Giants were so nasty with Plaxico is you just couldn't cover him with one guy. It does great things for your team when you can force a double whenever you want. |
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HaemishM
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I think with Steve Smith out there, the three of them could open up the running game - but he's gone now, and yeah, you're right, they don't have someone who can do it by himself like Plax could. But Eli is confident he's an elite QB in Tom Brady's league.  |
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01101010
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I think with Steve Smith out there, the three of them could open up the running game - but he's gone now, and yeah, you're right, they don't have someone who can do it by himself like Plax could. But Eli is confident he's an elite QB in Tom Brady's league. I think he meant he was more a 6th round value rather than first. |
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Draegan
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I know I am salivating. The NFC East is in our hands unless Vick gets his legs broken early in the season. Tony OhNo, a hapless Redskins team and a 4 sacked a game Eli...
Oh look another Eagle fan who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. The Giants were the least sacked team last year. |
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Draegan
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Nicks and Manningham are good but they were a lot better when they weren't the only options. If the O-line has to shuffle around, Manning is going to take a lot more pressure and we all know that's when Eli starts tossing balls to the wrong team. If the running game isn't solid, it will be a LONG year.
Neither of them are the kind of premier receiver that opens up the running game either in my opinion. The reason the Giants were so nasty with Plaxico is you just couldn't cover him with one guy. It does great things for your team when you can force a double whenever you want. They're not? I guess #6 rushing team in the league last year couldn't open up the running game. I think with Steve Smith out there, the three of them could open up the running game - but he's gone now, and yeah, you're right, they don't have someone who can do it by himself like Plax could. But Eli is confident he's an elite QB in Tom Brady's league. Steve Smith doesn't open the passing game. He's was an intermediate receiver, he worked in traffic. Since when does a team need 3 WRs to "open the running game". Now if you want to comment on if Nicks can stay healthy the whole season to make a mark, you'd have an argument. As far as Eli's comment goes I'm guessing you never read the original quote. When e was asked if "[he] was in the same league as Tom Brady," he answered: "I consider myself in that class," said Manning, the MVP of Super Bowl XLII. "Tom Brady is a great quarterback, he's a great player and what you've seen with him is he's gotten better every year. He started off winning championships and I think he's a better quarterback now than what he was, in all honesty, when he was winning those championships.
"I think now he's grown up and gotten better every year and that's what I'm trying to do. I kind of hope these next seven years of my quarterback days are my best." He never said he was as good or better than Tom. He says he hopes to be just as good too, and always improve. I think it's a fair assessment. I mean what do you want him to say, "Oh I'm not an elite QB, I'm actually not good. People hate me." Yeah, you find me an elite athlete that will say that and I'll buy you a beer. It's a stupid non-story. |
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Eli Manning- 31 TDs and 25 picks Tom Brady- 36 TDs and 4 picks  |
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Draegan
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True, I'd argue the number was inflated by the number of INTs that came because his WRs couldn't fucking catch a ball with their hands. But that only accounts for like 5-7 of them. Why does no one bring up precious Drew Brees threw three less INTs than Eli? Edit to add: Eli Manning- 31 TDs and 25 picks Tom Brady- 36 TDs and 4 picks Drew Brees- 33 TD and 22 picks. I guess he's not elite either. :( |
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HaemishM
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No one brings it up because Brees at least made the playoffs last year.  |
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Ingmar
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The Giants had a 10 win season and only missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker, they were hardly a bad team.
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HaemishM
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I wouldn't argue they were a particularly GOOD team either.
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However, the Saints didn't lose to the Seahawks because Brees tossed up picks.
They lose because their defense BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWS
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Draegan
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No one brings it up because Brees at least made the playoffs last year. Hmm I can't remember how the Saints team finished last year. It couldn't of been a loss to the only team in the history of the NFL to get into the playoffs with a losing records could it? I wouldn't argue they were a particularly GOOD team either.
The Giants were statistically the 5th best Offense and the 7th best Defense in the league. I think they're in pretty good shape going into this season. |
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I'm not a big fan of Brees, no.
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