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HaemishM
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Fordel
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I guess the thing with Tebow and defending against him, is your always going to be short one defender, because of how well he runs and having to at least 'respect' his passing ability now.
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I'd like to see what happens to him against a defense like the 49ers with multiple awesome linebackers, but I suspect the odds of that particular Super Bowl matchup are very low.
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What the fuck is wrong with some of these teams? Jesus fucking christ this was stupid, and I don't even like the Chiefs. |
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Trippy
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It baffles me the Steelers didn't have two deep safeties on that play in OT given the new playoff overtime rules. The only reasonable explanation I can think of is Dick LeBeau forgot the new rules.
Or had little faith in Tebow being able to, ya know, throw the ball down field. I will say though, that was one hell of a stiff arm, and to the chest no less. Tebow torched them multiple times in the 2nd quarter with long passes. Two of them in fact were bombs to Thomas where he beat Turner, just like what happened in OT. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me; fool me three times and I'm a fucking idiot. |
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01101010
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I'd like to see what happens to him against a defense like the 49ers with multiple awesome linebackers, but I suspect the odds of that particular Super Bowl matchup are very low.
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Chimpy
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Measuring people's ability for success by how well they did in Cleveland is probably a bit harsh though. Cleveland is the town where football goes to die, after all.
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01101010
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Measuring people's ability for success by how well they did in Cleveland is probably a bit harsh though. Cleveland is the town where football goes to die, after all.
Belichick might have words for you though... |
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It baffles me the Steelers didn't have two deep safeties on that play in OT given the new playoff overtime rules. The only reasonable explanation I can think of is Dick LeBeau forgot the new rules.
Or had little faith in Tebow being able to, ya know, throw the ball down field. I will say though, that was one hell of a stiff arm, and to the chest no less. Tebow torched them multiple times in the 2nd quarter with long passes. Two of them in fact were bombs to Thomas where he beat Turner, just like what happened in OT. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me; fool me three times and I'm a fucking idiot. ^^ This. A backup receiver (played in 11, only started 5) who I never heard of totally abused Ike Taylor, a CB heralded (at least until this playoff game ;() as one of the better DBs in the NFL. |
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Chimpy
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Measuring people's ability for success by how well they did in Cleveland is probably a bit harsh though. Cleveland is the town where football goes to die, after all.
Belichick might have words for you though... Not sure what you mean: From Wikipedia:
After spending his first 15 seasons in the league as an assistant coach, Belichick got his first head coaching job with the Cleveland Browns in 1991. Of his five seasons coaching Cleveland, only one featured a winning record... That pretty much agrees with my point. |
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Measuring people's ability for success by how well they did in Cleveland is probably a bit harsh though. Cleveland is the town where football goes to die, after all.
He'll be fine in KC. They have good BBQ. |
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He'll be fine in KC. They have good the best BBQ.
Fixed it for you. |
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Actually, Lockhart, Texas, has the best barbecue.
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HaemishM
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I guess the thing with Tebow and defending against him, is your always going to be short one defender, because of how well he runs and having to at least 'respect' his passing ability now.
Yeah, that's what you have a "spy" linebacker for. There was no reason for Polamalu to be playing the 4th linebacker in a 4-3 defense. |
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Trippy
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What the fuck is wrong with some of these teams? Jesus fucking christ this was stupid, and I don't even like the Chiefs. I don't see a problem with that choice. They were 2 - 1 under Crennel, they beat the previously undefeated Packers and the players apparently love playing for him. |
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And as previously pointed out he had an actual winning season in Cleveland, which puts him in a pretty exclusive club with Belichek.  |
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01101010
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Measuring people's ability for success by how well they did in Cleveland is probably a bit harsh though. Cleveland is the town where football goes to die, after all.
Belichick might have words for you though... Not sure what you mean: From Wikipedia:
After spending his first 15 seasons in the league as an assistant coach, Belichick got his first head coaching job with the Cleveland Browns in 1991. Of his five seasons coaching Cleveland, only one featured a winning record... That pretty much agrees with my point. I mean he turned out ok.. which seems to be Cleveland's MO. A lot of talent goes through Cleveland. We are the farm teams of the nation. |
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Fordel
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I guess the thing with Tebow and defending against him, is your always going to be short one defender, because of how well he runs and having to at least 'respect' his passing ability now.
Yeah, that's what you have a "spy" linebacker for. There was no reason for Polamalu to be playing the 4th linebacker in a 4-3 defense. I don't know what a "spy" linebacker is. |
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HaemishM
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One linebacker "spies" on the QB (or another player). Essentially they follow the QB with their eyes until they see what the QB is going to do - will he run (if so, go hit the motherfucker in the jaw) or will he pass (go back in coverage or try to tackle the guy catching the ball) or will he hand the ball off (go tackle the running back). Teams use a spy against someone like Cam Newton or Michael Vick to try to shut down the scramble/run/option part of the equation. Against a guy like Brady or Manning, you don't need one because if that QB is running, your pass rush and/or coverage has done it's job and he likely won't be able to hurt you too bad running the ball.
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Johny Cee
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It baffles me the Steelers didn't have two deep safeties on that play in OT given the new playoff overtime rules. The only reasonable explanation I can think of is Dick LeBeau forgot the new rules.
Or had little faith in Tebow being able to, ya know, throw the ball down field. I will say though, that was one hell of a stiff arm, and to the chest no less. Tebow torched them multiple times in the 2nd quarter with long passes. Two of them in fact were bombs to Thomas where he beat Turner, just like what happened in OT. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me; fool me three times and I'm a fucking idiot. So I'm not the only one that hears "Ike Taylor" and my brain immediately substitutes "Ike Turner"? |
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Fordel
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One linebacker "spies" on the QB (or another player). Essentially they follow the QB with their eyes until they see what the QB is going to do - will he run (if so, go hit the motherfucker in the jaw) or will he pass (go back in coverage or try to tackle the guy catching the ball) or will he hand the ball off (go tackle the running back). Teams use a spy against someone like Cam Newton or Michael Vick to try to shut down the scramble/run/option part of the equation. Against a guy like Brady or Manning, you don't need one because if that QB is running, your pass rush and/or coverage has done it's job and he likely won't be able to hurt you too bad running the ball.
I would have thought that was a Linebackers job by default? |
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HaemishM
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Not really. As I understand it, a linebacker's job is either 1) blitz the QB, 2) move back into coverage, either by covering a specific area of the field (zone coverage) or covering a specific man (man-to-man coverage - this is usually the RB or a TE, but can be a wideout in the slot), 3) fill a gap on the offensive line to keep a running back from busting through a hole. They generally aren't meant to watch the QB except as it relates to pass coverage or blitzing. This is why running QB's can be so dangerous in the NFL - there's nobody really assigned to stop them other than blitzing them and running QB's are very good at evading the pass rush and breaking open 10-20 yard runs. They just aren't usually great passers (see Tim Tebow).
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Fordel
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Well I predict that next year it will be the default, after Tebow wins the super bowl with a drop kick. |
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Well I predict that next year it will be the default, after Tebow wins the super bowl with a drop kick. I thought the drop kick was no longer allowed in American football. |
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Trippy
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One linebacker "spies" on the QB (or another player). Essentially they follow the QB with their eyes until they see what the QB is going to do - will he run (if so, go hit the motherfucker in the jaw) or will he pass (go back in coverage or try to tackle the guy catching the ball) or will he hand the ball off (go tackle the running back). Teams use a spy against someone like Cam Newton or Michael Vick to try to shut down the scramble/run/option part of the equation. Against a guy like Brady or Manning, you don't need one because if that QB is running, your pass rush and/or coverage has done it's job and he likely won't be able to hurt you too bad running the ball.
I would have thought that was a Linebackers job by default? If you don't have a player spying the QB full time then in theory on defense you have an "extra" guy that the offense can not account for. E.g. on run plays since the QB doesn't block (unless it's a reverse or something) there's 10 guys on offense trying to block 11 guys on defense so in theory you have an unblocked run tackler. The reason why the leading tackler on a team is usually a linebacker or strong safety is cause they are the ones that let their teammates engage the run blockers and they make the tackle. On pass plays if you rush the same number of people as the offense has pass blocking and if you drop a LB into coverage that allows one of your defensive backs to double cover the other team's most dangerous receiver. Or if you are willing to risk single coverage you can blitz that extra player giving you an unblocked pass rusher. If you have somebody spying the quarterback full time you lose that "extra" man advantage and given that the rules currently favor offenses over defenses you really don't want to lose that extra guy unless the opposing QB is such a threat to run that you have no other choice. |
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QB Spy is pretty much a package... and they likely had one, given that Tebow is the wildcard in the broncos offense. The problem is the option package that Denver is employing gives it every chance to change it at almost any point. The play that scored was a play action, and initially the backs bit on it, and moved forward, giving DT a chance to get going, and slants inside giving a nice clean lane to deliver the ball. DT is very very fast and Tim against all logic and history delivered the pass magnificently. Additionally, the stiff arm on his single defender REALLY opened up that run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azllM3BKFOkAdditionally, the reason I think that coverage was so shitty in this game relies purely on how well KC was on rushing and closing the pocket, not allowing Tebow to have time to do whatever chaos theory crazy ass duke boys bullshit he manages to pull off. Unfortunately the Steelers either don't have the personnel to pull that kind of thing off, or an effective package. |
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« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 10:31:46 AM by sickrubik »
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HaemishM
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Yeah, that overtime TD was all on that safety. He bit WAY too much on the run. He was a good 3-5 yards farther upfield than he should have been. Also, the Steelers pass rush couldn't really do much because their starting NT and one of their starting DE's were on the sidelines injured.
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« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 11:14:49 AM by sickrubik »
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We really should just have a "Tebow Bashing" thread. There's obviously enough angst around here to keep it going for a while |
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This stuff right here is why I keep finding new ways to love American Football. I never understood the deal with spy linebackers, but now I'm feeling quite satisfied.
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