The Hobbit (2012/2013)

[MuffinMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2k_EiYh4IU

I don't know, that looks pretty awesome even if it does deviate a bit from canon.

Well I'm definitely seeing it now. That's exactly how I've always pictured it in my head.

[Samwise]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2k_EiYh4IU

I don't know, that looks pretty awesome even if it does deviate a bit from canon.

That's some seamless CGI work.  Lucas should hire that guy to do his next Special Edition release.

[RhyssaFireheart]

Okay, so I decided to reread The Hobbit in anticipation of the movie and because their FB page has been doing features of each dwarf.  I honestly couldn't remember how each was described and wanted to see how close the movie would match the book.  Right now I'm only on page 111 and they've made it from the Shire (getting past the trolls) to Rivendell to the Misty Mountains, into the goblin tunnels, Bilbo's discovered the Ring and outsmarted Gollum, they've all escaped into Mirkwood and have been surrounded by wargs.  Just now the Eagle King has plucked Gandalf from a tree to rescue him.

All that in 111 pages or so.  Most of these are rather significant in light of what's been seen in the LoTR movies, and yet they haven't taken up much literary description at all.  Granted, I don't want the movies to be drug out just to add extra crap, but it seems to me that the stuff I've described should get a bit more attention that it has to date. 

[pxib]

GEEZ SPOILERS

[RhyssaFireheart]

GEEZ SPOILERS

[pxib]

There's plenty of material for multiple movies. I really don't see it being a problem and I think the cast and crew they've got assembled will do Tolkien proud.

[Venkman]

Yea, I don't think the LoTR movies are a good guide. It was only the end of the third movie that felt way the hell too stretched out (and worse in the Director's cut). But they nixed entire storylines from the novels in order to make it fit into 14 or so hours of movie. They'd need a few full seasons of television to really tell the whole thing.

So I can almost imagine Peter Jackson struggling to keep The Hobbit just to two movies, once there was the assumed studio pressure to stretch it out 

[Ghambit]

Just a reminder for you fanpeople to get your tix early.  I'm grabbin my IMAX midnite showing tix today.

[Ghambit]

The soundtrack is now available to DL in certain places.

[Cyrrex]

I can't seem to muster interest for this one.  I only just saw the trailer for the first time yesterday, and the prevailing thought I had was "huh....I don't remember the book being nearly this...epic looking?"  Honestly, The Hobbit is a whimsical little tale about a silly little miniature dude who goes on a silly little adventure with some slightly taller and hairier dudes.  Yes, the orcs and the trolls and the spiders and the dragon are all a little creepy and dangerous, but our bumbling hero will make it through!  Happy Times twiddley diddlely dee!

I mean, the tone between Hobbit and LOTR shift dramatically.  And yet, if feels like they are making LOTR Episodes One and Two with this, and it feels off to me.

[Ironwood]

That's because that's exactly what they are doing.

LotR the prequels, episode 1, 2 and 3.

And you know what ?  I'm fucking stoked about it.

[01101010]

That's because that's exactly what they are doing.

LotR the prequels, episode 1, 2 and 3.

And you know what ?  I'm fucking stoked about it.

Until they are released, anyway... 

[Ironwood]

I've nitpicked the LotR, but I enjoyed them enormously and understood the limitations.  Sure, I agreed with some fucking stupid decisions and HATED Blanchett, but nothing's perfect.

[Ghambit]

Infidel!  NOBODY hates on Blanchett!  NOBODY!   

[Ironwood]

Seriously ?

In this film she was either horribly miscast, or more likely, horribly directed.  The whole Mirror scene sucked balls.

[Shannow]

Nobody bags on 'our' Cate!

</Australian homerism>

[Ghambit]

She still made the best Elf out of them all, regardless of how miscast/misdirected she was.  We'll see how she does in the Hobbit but I'm sure her age is starting to catch up with her.

[UnSub]

Nobody bags on 'our' Cate!

</Australian homerism>

... until she says something that makes it appear that she's risen above her station, then we will all join in on the verbal mudslinging!

[Venkman]

I can't seem to muster interest for this one.  I only just saw the trailer for the first time yesterday, and the prevailing thought I had was "huh....I don't remember the book being nearly this...epic looking?"  Honestly, The Hobbit is a whimsical little tale about a silly little miniature dude who goes on a silly little adventure with some slightly taller and hairier dudes.  Yes, the orcs and the trolls and the spiders and the dragon are all a little creepy and dangerous, but our bumbling hero will make it through!  Happy Times twiddley diddlely dee!

Are you conflating the memories of that animated movie with the actual book? The Hobbit to me was a lighter easier to read version of LoTR, but it was by no means the whimsical romp through Oz you're describing. Bad things happened. Bad. Things.

I don't like these Trailers though. There's something off about them. I doubt it's the frame rate thing. The Dwarves are obviously a requirement as front and center cast, but I don't get the sense the masses knows who any two of them are, whereas even before LoTR they had at least a sense of who Gimli, Aragorn and Frodo were.

[Megrim]

I can't seem to muster interest for this one.  I only just saw the trailer for the first time yesterday, and the prevailing thought I had was "huh....I don't remember the book being nearly this...epic looking?"  Honestly, The Hobbit is a whimsical little tale about a silly little miniature dude who goes on a silly little adventure with some slightly taller and hairier dudes.  Yes, the orcs and the trolls and the spiders and the dragon are all a little creepy and dangerous, but our bumbling hero will make it through!  Happy Times twiddley diddlely dee!

Are you conflating the memories of that animated movie with the actual book? The Hobbit to me was a lighter easier to read version of LoTR, but it was by no means the whimsical romp through Oz you're describing. Bad things happened. Bad. Things.

I don't like these Trailers though. There's something off about them. I doubt it's the frame rate thing. The Dwarves are obviously a requirement as front and center cast, but I don't get the sense the masses knows who any two of them are, whereas even before LoTR they had at least a sense of who Gimli, Aragorn and Frodo were.

Its only srs bsns because you are layering your adult perceptions onto it. When read by a seven year old, its a magical adventure.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I can't seem to muster interest for this one.  I only just saw the trailer for the first time yesterday, and the prevailing thought I had was "huh....I don't remember the book being nearly this...epic looking?"  Honestly, The Hobbit is a whimsical little tale about a silly little miniature dude who goes on a silly little adventure with some slightly taller and hairier dudes.  Yes, the orcs and the trolls and the spiders and the dragon are all a little creepy and dangerous, but our bumbling hero will make it through!  Happy Times twiddley diddlely dee!

Are you conflating the memories of that animated movie with the actual book? The Hobbit to me was a lighter easier to read version of LoTR, but it was by no means the whimsical romp through Oz you're describing. Bad things happened. Bad. Things.

I don't like these Trailers though. There's something off about them. I doubt it's the frame rate thing. The Dwarves are obviously a requirement as front and center cast, but I don't get the sense the masses knows who any two of them are, whereas even before LoTR they had at least a sense of who Gimli, Aragorn and Frodo were.

Its only srs bsns because you are layering your adult perceptions onto it. When read by a seven year old, its a magical adventure.

Arent you doing the same with the movie?

[Megrim]

Actually, I do the same thing every time I wipe my arse.

[murdoc]

The masses had no idea who Gimli, Frodo and Aragorn were before the LotR movies and I would guess most of them still don't.

[Shannow]

Actually, I do the same thing every time I wipe my arse.

is a magical adventure? 

[Merusk]

The biggest problem this movie is going to have is not turning the dwarves into the 12 bumbling idiots.   The trailers already smell of it and the last thing I want to see is 9 hours of Gimli x12.  There's bluster with a gruff exterior and then there's buffoon.  After watching LOTR almost every weekend for the last 2 months  (it's been in rotation on all the movie channels) it's pretty obvious Jackson dislikes dwarves for some odd reason.

[Ironwood]

In The Hobbit, all the dwarves were pretty much idiots.

[murdoc]

In The Hobbit, all the dwarves were pretty much idiots.

This.

I have no idea how they are going to do the 3 Trolls scene without making the dwarves look like complete buffoons. Or where the Goblins capture them. Or. Or. Or...

[Megrim]

Actually, I do the same thing every time I wipe my arse.

is a magical adventure? 

[Venkman]

Hmm, I'm not remembering the same Hobbit. Queue up the rereading!

[Malakili]

Its only srs bsns because you are layering your adult perceptions onto it. When read by a seven year old, its a magical adventure.

This is also not just "The Hobbit."  It seems they are weaving in lots of the other backstory/concurrent story which was not explicitly in The Hobbit.  The Necromancer probably being a big part which is I believe only hinted at briefly in The Hobbit. 

[Ratman_tf]

In The Hobbit, all the dwarves were pretty much idiots.

This.

I have no idea how they are going to do the 3 Trolls scene without making the dwarves look like complete buffoons. Or where the Goblins capture them. Or. Or. Or...

Or. Or. Or. I think they're going to completely change the tone of the book, and turn those parts into big action movie fights. They pretty much have to, to be able to 'sell' the movies.

[Khaldun]

This is the odd thing. Gimli in LOTR is occasionally funny but never a joke. The dwarves in The Hobbit are mostly the comic relief, though Thorin is generally portrayed as badass and Balin is generally competent and skilled at what he does. I mean, you get the sense that you wouldn't want to be in an axe duel with any of them except Bombur but otherwise they're pretty amateur-hour. The Goblins at least you can set them up as being genuinely captured when they unavoidably take shelter from a storm (or giants) but the trolls, yeah, there's no way around it, they're silly.

[Tale]

Mordor just erupted: http://tvnz.co.nz/news

Mount Ruapehu (Mount Doom) is also predicted to erupt.

[Venkman]

The next Survivor apparently will have some more Hobbit footage. The clip they showed tonight to advertise that included a number of things I hadn't see yet, including a Troll picking up one of the Dwarves and moving to a cauldron. The 10s spot actually had some great sequences in it.

Certainly won't be watching Survivor to see the rest. Will just see how quickly I can get it off YouTube before it's pulled 

[Ironwood]

The dwarves in The Hobbit are mostly the comic relief, though Thorin is generally portrayed as badass and Balin is generally competent and skilled at what he does.

I actually don't agree.  Until the Battle of the Five Armies, every single one of the dwarves comes across as useless to the point of self harm.  The stubborn nature is overplayed to the point that they actually make things worse in almost every situation and the greed on display is really silly.

The trolls fuck them up.  The goblins fuck them up.  The elves fuck them up and the Spiders fuck them up.  Then they spend ages hiding from a dragon and building a wall.

I think it NEEDS a massive rewrite to make them reasonable again for the movies and, frankly, giving them the different identities that they have in the trailer is a damn good first step.  I think anyone going in expecting The Hobbit that they read as a child can fuck off because it would be as stupid as Tom Bombadils Forest of Faggotry.

Bilbo ends up doing almost EVERYTHING himself and ALWAYS saving their useless arses.