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[Minvaren]

Horde are lucky to ever get time off and have to sneak in the occasional nap, if they do they are often clubbed over the head.

Or abducted by the Dragonmaw to nap in the Outlands instead.

"What you want?  Me busy."
"ARGH!  BOOTERANG!"

[Simond]

Until the day the Horde and Alliance both realize that the goblins, after decades of selling to both sides, now own the entire world.  All hail the new goblin overlords!

Skip to step 3: Profit.

[Sjofn]

The Horde presumably has masons that either don't expect to be paid OR actually ARE paid. The Alliance, not so much. 

[Chimpy]

Maybe the Alliance is dealing with some very restrictive Union regulations.

[Sjofn]

No seriously, the last time they rebuilt Stormwind, they didn't get paid, so they formed the Defias terrorist group.

[Lantyssa]

They should award achievements for laying bricks.  The city would be rebuilt in record time.

[kildorn]

No seriously, the last time they rebuilt Stormwind, they didn't get paid, so they formed the Defias terrorist worker's rights group.

fix'd.

Aside from not wearing pants, I have a hard time disagreeing with VanCleef the Younger.

[Sjofn]

Bitch knifed Blanchy, fuck her!

[kildorn]

Blanchy had it coming! VanCleef was just a death panel that was desperately needed by the Azerothian healthcare system!

[Lantyssa]

Blanchy was old six years ago.  The Furlbrow's are necromancers.

[Numtini]

They should award achievements for laying bricks.

I think ATITD has a business practice patent on that.

[Nebu]

They should award achievements for laying bricks.

I think ATITD has a business practice patent on that.

Test of the obelisk.  Ugh.

[Abelian75]

I think ATITD has a business practice patent on that.

Man, and I totally just brought ATITD up in another thread. :)

My wife was obsessed with making bricks.  I'd log on to find insane quantities of bricks waiting for me.  Staggering quantities that no one human should be able to make.

[Sjofn]

I feel crabby, so I came to the crabby thread.

a) Vashj'ir is way too fucking big. I feel like I've been in the fucking zone forever, and it's starting to kill me. I BELIEVE I'm in the home stretch, but goddamn. Hyjal may have the same problem, I don't actually know, but man.

b) I understand, I suppose, wanting people to have to actually see the instance entrance before letting you do it, but again, Vashj'ir's instance is too far in for the level range it supposedly is.



It's funny, the things about a water zone that I worried about aren't problems at all, but I still don't think I'll go there again for quite some time after this initial character.

[K9]

Throne of the Tides is way too late in Vashj'ir I agree, also it takes a long time before you can discover the flightmaster.

[DraconianOne]

Do they not have a summoning stone outside anymore? I know we used one outside Blackrock Caverns last night.

EDIT - remembered it was the Blackrock Spire meeting stone.

[Merusk]

ALL the zones feel too fucking long.  Vash is 145 quests long, Deepholm is 143 and Twilight Highlands is 120. No idea bout Udlum's exact number as I skipped it and am going back to quest for cash after working on Archaeology.  I'm sure it's 100+ quests like every other goddamn zone, though.  That's more than zones in WOTLK, which also felt long.  BC zones were 50-75 quests long until you hit the last zone.  Those felt good. You were in and out and even if you didn't ding, you felt like you'd accomplished something as you moved on to the next zone.

I didn't realize what a psychological strain staying in the same zone is until this expansion.  Breaking things down into smaller zones or changing theme/ scenes a bit more would have helped a LOT.  Yeah the mini-hubs are supposed to help with that but you still know you're 'stuck' in the same zone.

Do they not have a summoning stone outside anymore? I know we used one outside Blackrock Caverns last night.

EDIT - remembered it was the Blackrock Spire meeting stone.

Yes, they do.  It's one way to get them discovered so people in guild who are behind the curve can /random with you.  (A few still haven't gotten it in the mail.. Go go UPS!)

[DraconianOne]

Levelling doesn't seem to take anywhere near as long as it did in BC/Wrath though. I made 81 last night by just doing a BWD run and the Kelpthar Forest quests (~40 of them?) and that's including getting stuck on that damned "Blood and Thunder" defend the boat quest.

My biggest beef with it so far is that there didn't seem to be anywhere to repair gear.

[Sjofn]

Do they not have a summoning stone outside anymore? I know we used one outside Blackrock Caverns last night.

EDIT - remembered it was the Blackrock Spire meeting stone.

It's not really a problem for my Alliance people, as they are in a real guild and thus have guild runs with summonses and such, but as Horde, I basically go it alone and I find it really frustrating to know that I'm going to have to haul my ass way the fuck out there in order to random properly. It was just a stupid decision, in my opinion, and that's what bugs me.

[Merusk]

Levelling doesn't seem to take anywhere near as long as it did in BC/Wrath though. I made 81 last night by just doing a BWD run and the Kelpthar Forest quests (~40 of them?) and that's including getting stuck on that damned "Blood and Thunder" defend the boat quest.

My biggest beef with it so far is that there didn't seem to be anywhere to repair gear.

The first one's just to suck you in.  I think it's taking an average of 8 or 9 hours per level if you're straight-out questing.

[Selby]

What's even more annoying is to queue for the next 2 instances, your average ilvl has to be 272.  Mine in all raid gear is 270 and I haven't found more than 1 piece to replace anything in all of Vash'jir so far.  So I can replace my gear and take hits on all the stats just to queue, or get summoned and have guildies run me through (I choose the latter).

[Numtini]

I'm finding lots of very minor upgrades, but only if I fully enchant them and reforge all the mastery to haste (mastery is useless for resto shaman). It's just not worth it for something I'm going to replace in a level when I'm not having any problem doing my thing.

[Malakili]

What's even more annoying is to queue for the next 2 instances, your average ilvl has to be 272.  Mine in all raid gear is 270 and I haven't found more than 1 piece to replace anything in all of Vash'jir so far.  So I can replace my gear and take hits on all the stats just to queue, or get summoned and have guildies run me through (I choose the latter).

You could throw on some gear just for the queue, then switch back to your raid gear right?

[K9]

What's even more annoying is to queue for the next 2 instances, your average ilvl has to be 272.  Mine in all raid gear is 270 and I haven't found more than 1 piece to replace anything in all of Vash'jir so far.  So I can replace my gear and take hits on all the stats just to queue, or get summoned and have guildies run me through (I choose the latter).

Deepholm was where I started getting items that were clear-cut upgrades over ilvl 264 gear, and the average ilvl ramps up fast.

[caladein]

Yes, the 80/81 stuff is all there just to get everyone up to ICC-like gear.  Once you get to 82 the hammer really comes down on skill costs and mob health but each zone provides a steady half-tier increase in item level.  By the time you're in quest blues from Uldum/Twilight Highlands and some of the rep items, you're going to be pretty close to being able to cue for Heroics.

[ezrast]

What's even more annoying is to queue for the next 2 instances, your average ilvl has to be 272.  Mine in all raid gear is 270 and I haven't found more than 1 piece to replace anything in all of Vash'jir so far.  So I can replace my gear and take hits on all the stats just to queue, or get summoned and have guildies run me through (I choose the latter).

You could throw on some gear just for the queue, then switch back to your raid gear right?

You don't even need to do that; the game updates your average ilvl as soon as you get a piece of gear even if you don't equip it. The only way I got into Stonecore was by having a bunch of random cloth and leather greens sitting in my bag.

[Luxor]

What's even more annoying is to queue for the next 2 instances, your average ilvl has to be 272.  Mine in all raid gear is 270 and I haven't found more than 1 piece to replace anything in all of Vash'jir so far.  So I can replace my gear and take hits on all the stats just to queue, or get summoned and have guildies run me through (I choose the latter).

You could throw on some gear just for the queue, then switch back to your raid gear right?

You don't even need to do that; the game updates your average ilvl as soon as you get a piece of gear even if you don't equip it. The only way I got into Stonecore was by having a bunch of random cloth and leather greens sitting in my bag.

Yeah it's nuts, you dont even need gear that your character can use, my clothie had loads of plate in her inventory ( sells to the vendor for more heh ) and that counted towards the ilvl score.

[apocrypha]

We're making sure we run new dungeons for the first time in guild groups only. Which, given that there's only 6 of us and we have some big variations in working & playing times means we've only managed one run in Throne of Tides so far.

It was great fun going in there knowing nothing about the place and working it out between us. Was fairly hard for us, mostly because 2 out of the group were still level 80 and in only mediocre gear. Luckily tank and healer (me) were 81 and decently geared so we managed. Couple of fights ended up with only us two standing.

Deepholm is *gorgeous* too. Anyone thinking WoWs engine looks terrible needs to watch someone flying round here. Very impressive.

[Reg]

I cranked my settings up from High to Ultra yesterday just to see what would happen and oh my god what a difference it made in Vash'jr. And it didn't seem to hurt my performance much either. I was surprised.

[SurfD]

What's even more annoying is to queue for the next 2 instances, your average ilvl has to be 272.  Mine in all raid gear is 270 and I haven't found more than 1 piece to replace anything in all of Vash'jir so far.  So I can replace my gear and take hits on all the stats just to queue, or get summoned and have guildies run me through (I choose the latter).

You could throw on some gear just for the queue, then switch back to your raid gear right?

You don't even need to do that; the game updates your average ilvl as soon as you get a piece of gear even if you don't equip it. The only way I got into Stonecore was by having a bunch of random cloth and leather greens sitting in my bag.

Yeah it's nuts, you dont even need gear that your character can use, my clothie had loads of plate in her inventory ( sells to the vendor for more heh ) and that counted towards the ilvl score.

That is kind of wierd.   I know the blizzard in game gearscore thing looks at the highest Ilevel Piece that you currently own for each Item Slot (regardless of if it is equipped, in your bags, or in your bank), and uses that to calc your score.  I didnt realise it could actually use pieces of gear you cant even equip as part of the formula though.

[K9]

Deepholm is *gorgeous*

This; Deepholm is without a doubt the best looking zone they have ever made.

[Ratman_tf]

I've gotten two bugged quests so far. One in Deepholme, with getting the guy rope and whiskey. Not a game stopper, so I'm only a bit miffed. But the last quest in Vash'jir, where

[Ginaz]

I've gotten two bugged quests so far. One in Deepholme, with getting the guy rope and whiskey. Not a game stopper, so I'm only a bit miffed. But the last quest in Vash'jir, where

I did the rope and whiskey quest with no problems yesterday, though a lot of people in the zone were complaining about the same thing today.  As for the quest in Vash'jr, I almost had the same thing happen to me before I realized there were stairs that took you down below.  Its a pretty narrow opening and I almost missed it.

[Merusk]

The rope and whiskey don't seem to sparkle for some folks.  I had the sub issue, too, but it was fixed by logging off then logging back in.

A lot of the bugs seem related to phasing problems, in fact.   Had a guildie who couldn't see a questgiver in Twilight even though the ? was on screen.  When he logged out then back in, he was back.    I'm noticing a lot of problems in Twilight myself.  I had a few when questing but now that I'm done with the zone there's some mining nodes that like to show on my minimap but then disappear once I get near.  The bastards.

Also;  When you remove over half the mining nodes in a zone, don't say "some" in your hotfix nodes.    Went from being able to find nodes without a problem to finding it easier to mine in zones other than the plane of earth.  That's kind of fucked up.

[apocrypha]

I had a problem with the rope and whiskey about 2 hours ago. Turns out that there's 2 quests with the same name ("The Admiral's Cabin").

First one you get from the dwarf up on the top deck of the airship, and you have to hand it in to some NPC at the wheel in the cabin below her. Then he gives you another quest with the same name to get the rope & whiskey. I didn't see the ? above his head 'cos the cabin interior is yellow, so when I wowhead'd "The Admiral's Cabin" I only found the 2nd quest and thought it was bugged.

Convoluted way of saying have you checked the dude in the cabin at the wheel?