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Reply #105 on: November 03, 2010, 10:31:14 AM


That would be me.




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Reply #106 on: November 03, 2010, 02:18:03 PM

To be fair I wouldn't hire a lawyer at this stage either, he's a Euro guilty of nothing more than being near some boobs.
Or more precisely, that's what he was. He's now got a warrant and in contempt, yeah? Could be padded with giving a false name, too, depending on if he Nerfs it up too much. And fleeing the country.

I guess I was being incredibly naive about the most likely result of his depraved activities.
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Reply #107 on: November 03, 2010, 03:05:17 PM

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Reply #108 on: November 03, 2010, 03:28:33 PM

Sky said what I was going to on the topic.. so..


That would be me.


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I never played it, but someone who did once relayed one of the rules to me.  If you, as a player, show too much knowledge about the rules, your PC is instantly killed.   Sounded like a really fun game.

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Reply #109 on: November 04, 2010, 06:35:49 AM

I think I still have all the paranoia rulebooks.
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Reply #110 on: November 04, 2010, 07:00:41 AM

Lesser sentence offer for one of the models: "Disorderly person, 6 months probation, community service at a jail, court fees."

EDIT: She refused, and hence the "Trial by jury".
« Last Edit: November 04, 2010, 07:13:32 AM by Falconeer »

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Reply #111 on: November 04, 2010, 07:12:49 AM

I don't think a naked model doing community service at a jail is getting off with a slap on the wrist.

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Reply #112 on: November 04, 2010, 07:17:01 AM

This really sounds like one of those things that would have been helped with rule #1:

Don't talk to cops. Ever.


Don't admit you were anywhere, don't admit you were doing anything. Don't tell them where you're going, what you where doing wherever you are. You didn't see anything.  If you aren't sure what your rights are, you can always ask before answering "Is that a command or a request?". If it's a request, politely decline. Obviously, traffic stops are different.

The US court system is an utter mess, and the best thing you can do is to try and stay out of it. Sadly, it sounds like everyone involved has discovered this first hand. Let this be a lesson to all of the rest. If everyone had kept their mouth shut on the way back, I suspect everyone would be in a much better position right now, if anyone was even charged at all.
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Reply #113 on: November 04, 2010, 09:31:01 AM

And here's the video that goes with what Bhodi says, that everyone in the US should watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
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Reply #114 on: November 04, 2010, 09:49:42 AM

Heh.

I really didn't talk to them. They asked simple questions like "what were you doing, huh?", and the girls and the photographer briefly answered, admitting what we were doing. I remembered a thread or a series of posts from here on f13 about not talking to cops, so I didn't! Not much changed, other than they completely failed to read my address from my Italian ID, resulting in them sending the summon to a completely made up address. Oh yes, called the courthouse again yesterday and managed to get the address where they supposedly sent my summon: to my surprise, I never heard such address before, It is an Ann Arbor one but definitely not my girlfriend's place (and certainly not what's written on my ID!).

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Reply #115 on: November 04, 2010, 09:58:55 AM

and the girls and the photographer briefly answered, admitting what we were doing.
And, there's the problem. It probably won't affect you, but it's going to force that girl to plea bargain for community service in a prison plus likely thousands of bucks in court fees since she and the photographer have already admitted guilt for public nudity to the police. If she hadn't admitted what she was doing, they may not have even had cause to cite you. You weren't on scene and it seemed like they were too far away to reliably pinpoint that it was you; they were fishing and your friends leaped onto the hook. You should forward that to them :)
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Reply #116 on: November 04, 2010, 10:05:31 AM

What exactly is community service in a prison? And are we really talking about thousands of bucks in court fees?

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Reply #117 on: November 04, 2010, 10:07:05 AM

What exactly is community service in a prison? And are we really talking about thousands of bucks in court fees?

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Lesser sentence offer for one of the models: "Disorderly person, 6 months probation, community service at a jail, court fees."

Um, I was quoting you? Court fees + lawyer could easily come to thousands of dollars. Sorry that I said prison and not jail. Trial by jury is expensive, and they pass those savings on!
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Reply #118 on: November 04, 2010, 10:07:29 AM

And are we really talking about thousands of bucks in court fees?
Depending on how much it dragged on, yes.
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Reply #119 on: November 04, 2010, 10:10:06 AM

Seriously dude, get a lawyer and stop calling people yourself.  It's one thing for me to play armchair lawyer when it's just me vs. some asshole, but the repercussions of this are a whole lot more daunting than a few thousand bucks of security deposit.

Our justice system is not just, and you won't get anywhere at all trying to do anything yourself - it's a system designed by lawyers and for lawyers, so hire one.  You shouldn't talk to anyone except your counsel.
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Reply #120 on: November 04, 2010, 10:28:30 AM

Heh, no bhodi my question wasn't about jail or prison. It was about.. what exactly do they expect you to do at the prison/jail? We have nothing like community service in Italy (that I know of), so I have no idea.

And Nerf, yes I'll get a lawyer at some point, but I want that point to be as late as possible. I am not in a strong position with my case, but at least I can afford "not to care", from where I stand. Yes, I do want to be able to travel to the US again, but worst case scenario, really, I just won't. Or I will in a distant future, when I'll be able to afford a lawyer without risking thousands of bucks that I really don't have.

I am not saying I won't hire a lawyer or I'll just evade this whole thing. I am only saying that I want to hire a lawyer as late as possible. If that will hurt my cause even more, well, be it. I really can't afford getting a lawyer to do extra stuff for me, like finding out the few infos I got so far by myself, and I think the letter I sent to the judge is reasonable (court clerk advised me to do so on the phone). It would have been so much easier if someone I know pointed me to a trusted lawyer, but this didn't happen so at the moment, protected by the ocean, and stuck with random internet lawyers, I prefer to probe, wait and see.

And consulate said there's no extradition for the crime of watching naked girls in the park.

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Reply #121 on: November 04, 2010, 11:01:49 AM

It's not going to cost you thousands of dollars right now, there's a good chance a lawyer can get your case dismissed and all you'll have to pay are his fees. If you don't sort out the fact that you didn't appear, while I don't know exactly what will happen, will probably be a lot worse and possibly turn into you being found at least in contempt of court or something similar. Easiest and cheapest way to deal with this would probably be get a lawyer to turn up, explain that the court screwed up which is why you didn't appear and if they don't have any real evidence beyond you being in the company of people who did something bad they'll probably be able to get your case dismissed.

If you leave this then you either won't be travelling to the US or may have some real headaches and cost before you ever manage to do so again. Seriously talk to someone even if it's your friend's lawyer and your going to be paying them. Ideally talk to someone in Italy or your Foreign Office about it.

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Reply #122 on: November 04, 2010, 11:21:15 AM

And here's the video that goes with what Bhodi says, that everyone in the US should watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Aye, that was good.  He sure can talk fast though.

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Reply #123 on: November 04, 2010, 11:21:45 AM

Or, you know, contact the legal aid group that serves Ann Arbor. The one I linked. If they can't/won't help you, I would imagine they have a solid referral list.

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Reply #124 on: November 04, 2010, 12:19:21 PM

Don't do that. Continue to do little-to-nothing and post about it daily on an internet forum. Above all, don't get a lawyer. They might fix it and then this thread would die.
 why so serious?

Seriously man, be sensible. Do you want to be flagged as a sex offender by international law enforcement and "detained" when you try to catch a plane or drive across (even European) borders down the line? Even fucking Nerf has seen that you need to talk to a lawyer. Now.

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Reply #125 on: November 04, 2010, 12:59:28 PM

Nerf was ready to go to court over a lawn. Then possibly unleash his batshit crazy pooch.

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Reply #126 on: November 04, 2010, 01:05:34 PM

And here's the video that goes with what Bhodi says, that everyone in the US should watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Aye, that was good.  He sure can talk fast though.

35 seconds into part 2 has the cop state how lucky everyone is to deal with the US legal system as opposed places like ........ Italy, which I thought was kinda funny.
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Reply #127 on: November 04, 2010, 01:19:36 PM

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And Nerf, yes I'll get a lawyer at some point, but I want that point to be as late as possible. I am not in a strong position with my case, but at least I can afford "not to care", from where I stand.

I am almost to the point of actively hoping you get shafted at this point. You really need to wake the fuck up and start caring, or fuck off and never visit the US again.

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Reply #128 on: November 04, 2010, 01:29:42 PM

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Reply #129 on: November 04, 2010, 02:03:18 PM

Falconeer, was the photographer Harvey Drouillard?
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Reply #130 on: November 04, 2010, 02:05:25 PM

Why are Americans so afraid of nudity?  It cracks me up. 

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Reply #131 on: November 04, 2010, 02:07:27 PM

Somebody explained it on the comments on the link I gave above.

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I had been wondering about the cause of teenage pregnancies. I's all because of photographer, Harvey. Shame on him.
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Reply #132 on: November 04, 2010, 02:15:08 PM

No he was not, but this is funny. Cause Harvey Drouillard and that action the article is talking about is part of why everyone was so cool right after the accident: "I mean, fucking Harvey Drouillard did it on Liberty Street! You are all gonna get away with nothing, don't worreee..."  awesome, for real
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Reply #133 on: November 04, 2010, 02:34:19 PM

Trial by jury for having your fucking tits out. Only in Amerikkka!

And Michigan's not even in the godforsaken bible belt!

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Reply #134 on: November 04, 2010, 03:07:40 PM

I don't think it makes any difference, but it wasn't just tits since the girls were completely naked. Still, boy scouts were 150 feet away, across a river, and we were partially hidden by trees. So what they saw from that distance is... little skin coloured silhouettes?
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Reply #135 on: November 04, 2010, 03:17:14 PM

Those boy scouts are probably already pregnant! ACK!

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Reply #136 on: November 04, 2010, 03:25:15 PM

Trial by jury for having your fucking tits out. Only in Amerikkka!

And Michigan's not even in the godforsaken bible belt!
Eh, the whole 'right to a trial by a jury of your peers' thing is sorta a big deal for us. She requested it -- she can always waive it, and take a judge's decision, or make a deal with the prosecutor. But it's her right to take it, if she wants it.

And like someone noted upthread -- a lot of the times they'll just drop it rather than go through the hassle.
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Reply #137 on: November 04, 2010, 04:02:51 PM

Trial by jury for having your fucking tits out. Only in Amerikkka!

And Michigan's not even in the godforsaken bible belt!
Eh, the whole 'right to a trial by a jury of your peers' thing is sorta a big deal for us.
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Reply #138 on: November 04, 2010, 07:08:49 PM

If this warrant shows up on your record, I can promise that you will be denied at a port of entry on your next trip, or your visa application will be flat-out denied.

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Reply #139 on: November 04, 2010, 07:26:47 PM

There's probably a lurker here that is getting ready at your door to haul your ass to gitmo...

Cause, getting nude in public is pretty close to terrorism for most us Americans.

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