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Reply #3675 on: October 04, 2019, 10:10:04 AM

Well you will know on the Brexit thing in about four weeks!

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Reply #3676 on: October 04, 2019, 11:43:47 AM

Concur on working for family -- don't do it. Unless you're part of the Mob of course, then I guess you don't get a choice.

Have you considered going into business for yourself? If you have good people management skills and are good with budgeting being your own boss might be the way to go.
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Reply #3677 on: October 04, 2019, 04:21:11 PM

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Reply #3678 on: October 05, 2019, 06:05:46 AM

Concur on working for family -- don't do it. Unless you're part of the Mob of course, then I guess you don't get a choice.

Have you considered going into business for yourself? If you have good people management skills and are good with budgeting being your own boss might be the way to go.

I've given it some thought but beyond trying to go for consultancy type stuff I haven't really got business ideas I'd be confident in pushing. I'm also not in a super secure position financially so it would be a big risk and ultimately, I'd be happier getting a bit more experience in a larger organisation before trying something like that.

I've also looked into family business theory and practice quite a bit over the last couple of years, ultimately it seems to come down to either a leader who was a vision for the business as a family company and works towards that or an entrepenurial founder who keels over/takes a pay out and retires but happens to have a reasonably well trained and prepared person ready to step in, either an heir or professional manager. Considering the company's current liquidity, the latter option is only really happening in the next few years with keeling over and I'm not fully convinced he isn't thinking of selling up lock, stock and just giving me a big lump sum rather than a stake in the business. Considering I'm not going to have a say and if that doesn't work out I'll need a job then anyway I don't see any reason to delay looking any longer. Really I have left this at least a year past when I kind of knew it was the case.

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Reply #3679 on: October 07, 2019, 08:43:41 AM

No problem. Facebook is building a huge office in Dublin right now. Our tour guide (also the president of the Ulster GAA!) said that Ireland has 0% unemployment. It's also a great place to live. We found exactly one asshole over ten days and he was a Scot.

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Reply #3680 on: October 07, 2019, 10:09:36 AM

I actually hadn't looked at Facebook at all but they have one or two positions I think I can tailor a CV for. Hadn't even thought of tech companies despite doing work on some learning apps so maybe Google is worth considering as well.

I've been stuck covering or taking part in so many different areas I feel a bit like I've still got no career direction. 4 years of basically running a small business without a mentor and at the same time doing project work with international teams leaves me feeling like I know a lot more than people with similar years of work but also that I have no idea what I'm doing or what I know how to do.

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Reply #3681 on: October 07, 2019, 02:04:51 PM

You're definitely going to want to craft a resume to fit the job description.

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Reply #3682 on: October 08, 2019, 07:26:30 AM

Worst part about being unemployed is that every day is an eternity. I've been out of a job for two weeks and I have two lines on jobs connected with my previous position. One I'm waiting on as they get their house in order and the other I had an interview with a week ago (it seemed like they were recruiting me).

Waiting sucks.
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Reply #3683 on: October 08, 2019, 10:23:16 AM

I was commenting today that I almost feel I'm spending more time 'working' now that I've stopped at my job than before. I'm basically researching recruiters, searching job boards and writing and rewriting CVs all day long. It's actually more mentally draining because I'm also trying to get my head around corporate lingo and a couple of slightly new areas to try my luck in.

Annoyingly I saw a position at facebook I felt I was actually quite suited to and it seems like the application window expired sometime between me seeing it and sitting down to write a CV for it (like 4 hours). I'm sure I'll get a lot more of that  awesome, for real

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Reply #3684 on: October 08, 2019, 10:55:11 AM

Ziprecruiter and LinkedIn have automated settings to email you with all the open positions.

I just apply to everything and my resume is stored online. Applying is seemless unless there is an option for a cover letter then I need to apply manually.
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Reply #3685 on: October 08, 2019, 12:47:25 PM

I had the opposite experience during my one unemployment period in 2015. It was great, once I got past the first week where I didn't have to report in to someplace to do some horseshit I didn't really care about on a schedule I didn't create. It was 3.5 months long and in some sense ended too soon.

My new job was to find another job. I also went to the unemployment office as needed, where I seemed to be a genuine novelty. These things did not take all day, and I accomplished so many home tasks on my own schedule that I was basically on a cloud all the time.

I even made time to do abnormal things like go karting in the mountains.

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Reply #3686 on: October 09, 2019, 07:06:08 AM

As Yeg said, it's a job to find a job, but just not a full time one. There's only so many hours in the day you can spend searching job boards etc. In my 4 month layoff I would get up each morning and search the boards, check my email each morning and apply to any that were suited. Unless I had an interview the rest of the day was spent playing games or doing shit around the house. I got so bored I ended up painting 2 1/2 rooms.

Found my job on Indeed. Personally I thought ZipRecruiter was shit and just was a repository for all the shitty sales jobs.

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Reply #3687 on: October 09, 2019, 07:25:21 AM

Well after a week or so of going fully at it I'm actually starting to find that too. I've got a few CVs with different slants for the jobs I'm looking for and job alerts set up. Still going through that certification course but I think I've hit the point where looking through job postings is mostly just looking at the same jobs as I've already applied for. Hopefully a few will start getting back to me and in the meantime I'm putting applications for bigger companies that might be just be good interview practice.

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Reply #3688 on: October 09, 2019, 09:31:58 AM

My only dread of being unemployed is that I have 3 kids, all young, the wife works part time and Cobra is $2000 a month.

Not a great time to be looking for a job.

Anyway, small update. I have two leads on new positions.

1) Spoke to VP of Operations yesterday finally. They'll be presenting me an offer this week for a position they made up for me. Should be a great offer.
2) OEM company that wanted to hire me finally got back to me this morning letting me know a job description will be going up on their website any day now and that when I apply for it to let him know right away.

Should be interesting to get offers both ways. I suspect that #1 is going to be by far the most lucrative. #2 is going to be much easier mentally but not as fun.

Job #1 will be a lot of engineering/design, sales, project management and business development all wrapped in one with a myriad of different automation products. Job #2 will be the same as my last job except I'm with the OEM instead of the tech provider. Much more stable. Job #1 will be salary + commission. Job #2 is just salary that might only just match  Job #1.
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Reply #3689 on: October 09, 2019, 12:54:15 PM

Once you get going with the finding-a-job job, you should have plenty of time to craft very purposeful CVs for each position. I strongly recommend doing so even for specialists. Generalists moreso.

Also don't forget to negotiate. I hate negotiating but everyone says to do it.

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Reply #3690 on: October 09, 2019, 02:20:30 PM

I've been in my new position for a year, and I'm already annoyed/bored by it. Frankly I wouldn't have left construction except my old company was a dysfunctional mess on the verge of outright failure.

Now I've got two potentials but it always looks odd when you want to jump out of a job after a year.

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Reply #3691 on: October 09, 2019, 02:51:32 PM

it always looks odd when you want to jump out of a job after a year.

What are you, some kind of recently unfrozen caveman?

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Reply #3692 on: October 09, 2019, 03:01:43 PM

it always looks odd when you want to jump out of a job after a year.

What are you, some kind of recently unfrozen caveman?

I should have elaborated. IN ACCOUNTING, it looks odd when you jump out after a year. We're not known for making quick moves and it scares potential employers. This is a conversation that has come up in literally every single phone call interview I've had.

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Reply #3693 on: October 09, 2019, 11:13:22 PM

That mentality is slowly shifting away in the sales and biz Dev world too. I've bounced around as travel, perks and products began to suck.
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Reply #3694 on: October 09, 2019, 11:14:48 PM

Once you get going with the finding-a-job job, you should have plenty of time to craft very purposeful CVs for each position. I strongly recommend doing so even for specialists. Generalists moreso.

Also don't forget to negotiate. I hate negotiating but everyone says to do it.

In my files, you can usually get anywhere from. 5-10k more and 2-3 weeks more vacation if you're in a company that cares about the time off factor.
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Reply #3695 on: October 10, 2019, 10:54:36 AM

I do love how companies in the US have fucked themselves by doing away with pensions.  People were willing to put up with a lot of shit (low pay, terrible bosses) sticking with a company many years to get that payoff.

Now that everything is portable workers can jump companies on a whim.  That pushes salaries higher than they would have been and retraining costs are up too.

Working in IT I also see the impact of people with critical knowledge leaving.  It slows projects and hampers the troubleshooting of major issues.
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Reply #3696 on: October 10, 2019, 11:16:45 AM

I imagine most of the people with wealth have no problems with the portability of workers, since it means they can just lowball the next guy. It's the people in the middle who have to work with the new guy who might have half the skill that are hurt by it.

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Reply #3697 on: October 10, 2019, 12:48:21 PM

I imagine most of the people with wealth have no problems with the portability of workers, since it means they can just lowball the next guy. It's the people in the middle who have to work with the new guy who might have half the skill that are hurt by it.

I think it is more that with publicly traded companies the shareholders have a hard time conceptualizing the workers as anything other than lego's that can be easily replaced.  Most Investors don't give 2 shits about the product or the company they just care about the price of the stock.
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Reply #3698 on: October 10, 2019, 06:12:53 PM

I imagine most of the people with wealth have no problems with the portability of workers, since it means they can just lowball the next guy. It's the people in the middle who have to work with the new guy who might have half the skill that are hurt by it.

Considering people are rarely willing to leave a job for one that pays less (without some other substantial benefits) I think it probably is a net positive influence on wages. In other words dropping serious pensions is a short term win for companies that didn't want to be paying money out for people who no longer worked there but long term might result in costs coming level in the form of higher wages. Of course that probably doesn't mean workers are saving adequately so it then results in the state being left with a load of elderly people who can't support themselves but capitalism is as capitalism does.

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Reply #3699 on: October 10, 2019, 09:45:58 PM

I also forget that most of the stinkdicks who decide to axe pensions do so because it saves money short-term, which increases short-term profitability, which boosts share price just long enough for them to fuck off with their payout contracts before the long-term effects of higher wages would ever be seen. And right before they leave, they either layoff a shitton of workers or convert them to self-employed contractors for more short-term boosts.

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Reply #3700 on: October 11, 2019, 08:39:59 AM

It is essentially a fact that employees are all replaceable. Insisting otherwise is just delusional.

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Reply #3701 on: October 11, 2019, 08:49:07 AM

Employees are always replaceable, doing so may have an efficiency cost depending on who they're replaced with. Or more accurately, an employee is replaceable while employees as a whole are not. Institutional knowledge and experience aren't easy to replace without buying them in from outside (which normally carries a premium). Laying off a whole department with the intention of bringing in cheaper, less experienced replacements can have large costs in terms of efficiencies.

Without talking about the fun edge cases of a database engineer who happens to be the one person who understands a load of legacy architecture and the business processes that use them and will take 2-3 years to train up a replacement. Of course getting into that kind of situation is a management failure but it happens.

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Reply #3702 on: October 11, 2019, 09:17:41 AM

I've never seen that sort of hoarded knowledge save anyone when the time came, and I've seen it many times. Management (also replaceable) knows this cost.

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Reply #3703 on: October 11, 2019, 10:47:18 AM

ugh god do i have to explain the mercenary economy again?
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Reply #3704 on: October 11, 2019, 01:58:15 PM

It is essentially a fact that employees are all replaceable. Insisting otherwise is just delusional.

I was more stating that there is a big difference between "replaceable" and "having little to no value".  I do agree that keeping knowledge to yourself is an asinine way to go about achieving job stability.
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Reply #3705 on: October 11, 2019, 02:49:29 PM

Ah, yes, I agree.

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Reply #3706 on: October 12, 2019, 07:34:38 AM

Got my new job. Interesting times ahead.

I think I'm going to be part salesman, part design engineer, part project manager, part business development. Should be fun. Start in a week.

The market has trained me that if I don't hop jobs every 2-3 years (unless the company is rewarding monetarily) I will never make more money. 
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Reply #3707 on: October 14, 2019, 08:11:07 AM

The market has trained me that if I don't hop jobs every 2-3 years (unless the company is rewarding monetarily) I will never make more money. 

Accurate, for the most part. The issue is that many companies don't do salary analysis of their employees, and don't value trying to mark them to market thus creating retention.

Recruiters are more aggressive now than ever because the internet has allowed them to find you easily even when you're in a job that's satisfactory. They make their money off moves, so they are encouraged to keep salaries up since they make money off the agreed salary of a job-hopper.

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Reply #3708 on: October 14, 2019, 01:11:13 PM

My job a year ago when I left my boss, on my last day told me, "Would you take an extra $15k to stay? I don't know what the market pays for these jobs. You should have told me sooner you wanted to make more money".

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Reply #3709 on: October 14, 2019, 01:34:54 PM

My job a year ago when I left my boss, on my last day told me, "Would you take an extra $15k to stay? I don't know what the market pays for these jobs. You should have told me sooner you wanted to make more money".

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